Toast How can this Melbourne side be stopped?

[00Stinger]

Thats the Cam Mooney effect.

Your forwardline is not one of the best in the league. But thats how good the rest of the team is.

Out of curiosity how what teams forward lines would you rank ahead of ours?

 

[Squarky]

Thats the Cam Mooney effect.

I reckon the Cam Mooney comment is good - I do think our tall forwards are the weakest part of the team. Brown played a couple of really good finals (especially the GF), and McDonald was serviceable in the first half of the year, but for most of the year we struggled to really click up forward. Jackson's development in the ruck has allowed Gawn to play more forward, which has been important. Don't think we'd have won the flag without Jackson playing like he did in the last 6 weeks of the year.

I don't know which team has better mids/smalls up forward than the Dees though. GWS maybe? I really like Port's Georgiades/Rozee/Butters, but the last two went AWOL in the prelim.

Fritsch and Pickett are genuinely good players, and would slot into most sides. Spargo and Neal-Bullen have their flaws but are reliable kicks, and execute their defensive roles really well. And Petracca's 29 goals was the icing on top...

 

[Bluelegs]

Out of curiosity how what teams forward lines would you rank ahead of ours?

I'll have a crack.

Maybe Brisbane at full strength, Geelong have better keys but weaker smalls, West Coast although Kennedy is right at the end.

Probably one of the weakest eras for forwardlines in a long time though.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I reckon the Cam Mooney comment is good - I do think our tall forwards are the weakest part of the team. Brown played a couple of really good finals (especially the GF), and McDonald was serviceable in the first half of the year, but for most of the year we struggled to really click up forward. Jackson's development in the ruck has allowed Gawn to play more forward, which has been important. Don't think we'd have won the flag without Jackson playing like he did in the last 6 weeks of the year.

I don't know which team has better mids/smalls up forward than the Dees though. GWS maybe? I really like Port's Georgiades/Rozee/Butters, but the last two went AWOL in the prelim.

Fritsch and Pickett are genuinely good players, and would slot into most sides. Spargo and Neal-Bullen have their flaws but are reliable kicks, and execute their defensive roles really well. And Petracca's 29 goals was the icing on top...

Yeah the smalls/mids who can go forward are hard to quantify. Petracca for example is brilliant, but do you count him as a forward or a mid?

At the end of the day Melbourne's key forwards are McDonald (not terrible, but right on average?) and Brown (played well in the finals, but was also playing VFL for much of the year). Smalls/mids aside, don't think you can have the best forwardline in the league when your KPFs are relatively weak.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Out of curiosity how what teams forward lines would you rank ahead of ours?

I think it'd be easier to determine which sides Dees forwards are definitively better than. As in plug that forwardline into a team with a shit midfield (e.g. Carlton) and how would they go?

 

[00Stinger]

I think it'd be easier to determine which sides Dees forwards are definitively better than. As in plug that forwardline into a team with a sh*t midfield (e.g. Carlton) and how would they go?

so which sides forward line is the Dees better than?

 

[Juddernaut08]

so which sides forward line is the Dees better than?

Definitively? That's the point, not many. IMO North, Pies, Hawks.

Not saying Dees forwardline is bad, it's just not one of the best.

Who do you think you're better than?

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

There’s not many forward lines I’d trade ours for. All you need in modern footy is a functional one - give me the strong offensive synergy and defensive commitment of our forward line over six dysfunctional stars any day

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Definitively? That's the point, not many. IMO North, Pies, Hawks.

Not saying Dees forwardline is bad, it's just not one of the best.

Who do you think you're better than?

You’re taking the piss if you think our forward line isn’t substantially better than Carlton’s lmfao

 

[Juddernaut08]

You’re taking the piss if you think our forward line isn’t substantially better than Carlton’s lmfao

Depends how you define forwardline. Are you counting Petracca?

Carlton has the Coleman medallist for a start.

Easier to have a rational discussion without your childishness.

 

[ImissFrosty]

Depends how you define forwardline. Are you counting Petracca?

Carlton has the Coleman medallist for a start.

Easier to have a rational discussion without your childishness.

we're talking about the forward line on the whole, Mckay is a star no doubt but 1 player doesn't make a team good

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Depends how you define forwardline. Are you counting Petracca?

Carlton has the Coleman medallist for a start.

Easier to have a rational discussion without your childishness.

Carlton had the Coleman medallist when they finished last in 2006 too, but I’m not taking that forward line over ours either. McKay is one player and he probably has more of the ball directed at him than any other forward in the league.

I don’t think it’s childish to point out that you have NFI but to each their own

 

[Juddernaut08]

we're talking about the forward line on the whole, Mckay is a star no doubt but 1 player doesn't make a team good

Depends how you define it, sure. Jackson/Gawn are rucks but add a lot to your forwardline. As do a lot of your midfielders. The functionality of your forwardline is helped by your ridiculously good midfield.

Give other teams Gawn, Jackson, Petracca and the midfield delivery you guys get and their forwards would be made to look better too.

It's the Cam Mooney effect. Look it up.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

The week after McKay got injured Carlton scored 57 points against GC and the forward 50 efficiency dropped by about 20% from the previous week. Seems like a great forward line to me

 

[Toump Ass]

Making Lever man up and actually stick to a guy is how Collingwood got them early.

Melbourne were shithouse that day and our form in the weeks around that game was pretty poor. If we play like that most teams are going to roll us, especially if they sack their coach the week before.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Carlton had the Coleman medallist when they finished last in 2006 too, but I’m not taking that forward line over ours either. McKay is one player and he probably has more of the ball directed at him than any other forward in the league.

I don’t think it’s childish to point out that you have NFI but to each their own

You're entitled to your opinion. Maybe one day you'll learn to appreciate deeper aspects of the game.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Melbourne were shithouse that day and our form in the weeks around that game was pretty poor. If we play like that most teams are going to roll us, especially if they sack their coach the week before.

We just rolled up with no plan for the SCG

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

You're entitled to your opinion. Maybe one day you'll learn to appreciate deeper aspects of the game.

Yes it must take a very deep understanding of football to learn that Carlton having a one man forward line makes it better than the premiers’, I don’t think I’ll ever appreciate football on that level

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

This is probably one of the funniest things I’ve heard since the GF

 

[Toump Ass]

****ing LOL @ Carlton having a better forwardline than Melbourne, holy shit.

After Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

their next highest goal scorer was Eddie Betts (retired) and then Matt Owies, who I've never even heard of.
Kicked 15 goals for the year apparently... good on him!

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

******* LOL @ Carlton having a better forwardline than Melbourne, holy sh*t.

After Harry McKay their next highest goal scorer was Eddie Betts (retired) and then Matt Owies, who I've never even heard of.
Kicked 15 goals apparently.. good on him!

His surname is ‘Owies’ because that’s what he said when he realised he had to play in Carlton’s forward line

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

******* LOL @ Carlton having a better forwardline than Melbourne, holy sh*t.

After Harry McKay their next highest goal scorer was Eddie Betts (retired) and then Matt Owies, who I've never even heard of.
Kicked 15 goals apparently... good on him!

I’d rate North’s forward line substantially above Carlton’s tbh, I wouldn’t be too upset if we replaced ours with North’s

 

[Juddernaut08]

******* LOL @ Carlton having a better forwardline than Melbourne, holy sh*t.

After Harry McKay their next highest goal scorer was Eddie Betts (retired) and then Matt Owies, who I've never even heard of.
Kicked 15 goals apparently.. good on him!

Never said Carlton was better, just that Melbourne's doesn't have one of the best forwardlines in the league.

Looking at individual goal tallies is a shallow way to look at things. It ignores the midfield dominance/delivery, injuries etc.

But sure, exaggerate and make up stuff if it makes you feel good

 

[Toump Ass]

Never said Carlton was better, just that Melbourne's doesn't have one of the best forwardlines in the league.

Fair enough, you didn't say that- you just said Carlton had the Coleman medalist. I stand corrected.

I do think we have one of the better forward lines in the league though- it bats pretty deep.

 

[ImissFrosty]

I’d rate North’s forward line substantially above Carlton’s tbh, I wouldn’t be too upset if we replaced ours with North’s

Larkey and Zurhaar are ****ing beasts, add in Stephenson, Thomas and **** me they're scary