Roast How diabolical is our midfield?

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Our midfield, and pretty much all over the ground reminds me of LLeyton Hewitt, or more recently, Alex De Minaur in the ATP tournaments. The top 4-ish teams have big servers and accurate, deep ground strokes, where they generate easy scores. We, on the other hand, have to scrap for every score with sheer effort and keeping the ball in court (analogous to I50's - of which we seem to generate enough of). We don't hit the lines, but keep the ball in safe zones well inside the baseline, to cover for our lack of talent back downfield, and our aversion to take any risks. We're often down two sets to love, before we start making the play, then wrestle back control, and sometimes even the game up, only to have the big servers / hitters kill us off in the fifth set.

No wonder we threw the kitchen sink at Gulden. We need to get a better mix of skilled outside runners in the midfield mix (much as Port have done), as it tends to hide the potential failings in other parts of the ground...i.e. you don't necessarily need stars up forward, if you generate clean, accurate entries. Hitting the scoreboard then means the defenders, etc. aren't always under the pump.
 
Shinboner did an analysis where combination of Crouch and Laird resulted in terribly low distance gained from possessions. But this improved with the different combination eg. Laird, Dawson and Soligo etc.

As many have observed, Laird and Crouch are two similar players whose collective output deteriorates significantly when combined together. It's up to Nicks to separate these two.

Pardon the intrusion but I can't help but notice the parallels when we had our midfield woes with Tom Mitchell/JOM and yours currently with Crouch/Laird.

Clarkson persisted with the two slow inside mids who lacked any hurt factor to the detriment of the side. It took a shake up from Sam Mitchell trying to introduce pace and skill by adding Day + Newcombe into the mix and essentially binning these two stalwarts before our midfield started to make any progress. We've still got a long way to go and Sam has mentioned that adding a midfielder with X-factor + speed is a priority for our list moving forward (we have strong links with Bailey Smith).

I think in modern footy you can carry one slow midfielder but two is a death sentence (unless they're ridiculously good at generating clearances or hurting on the outside). Hopefully you don't take it the wrong way but I don't think Laird and Crouch are in the 'ridiculously good' category.
 

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Someone made the point that the kicking limitations of some of our team really shrinks the field

Crouch and Laird in particular but also Keays, McHenry, Butts, Berry, ROB are all shallow kicks. Dinky little pitching wedges. The defence doesn't need to spread out to stop the zone clearing long ball, or the fast diagonal into the corridor. Congestion reigns supreme.
Crouch and Laird are good in congestion though, so this then clearly becomes to our advantage
 
Pardon the intrusion but I can't help but notice the parallels when we had our midfield woes with Tom Mitchell/JOM and yours currently with Crouch/Laird.

Clarkson persisted with the two slow inside mids who lacked any hurt factor to the detriment of the side. It took a shake up from Sam Mitchell trying to introduce pace and skill by adding Day + Newcombe into the mix and essentially binning these two stalwarts before our midfield started to make any progress. We've still got a long way to go and Sam has mentioned that adding a midfielder with X-factor + speed is a priority for our list moving forward (we have strong links with Bailey Smith).

I think in modern footy you can carry one slow midfielder but two is a death sentence (unless they're ridiculously good at generating clearances or hurting on the outside). Hopefully you don't take it the wrong way but I don't think Laird and Crouch are in the 'ridiculously good' category.
JOM and Mitchell are doing OK at their new clubs, but also interesting not playing dead in the middle with similar types all the bloody time.

There is no reason we can't do the same with Crouch and Laird in different roles, and we don't even have to kick them to another club to make that change!
 
JOM and Mitchell are doing OK at their new clubs, but also interesting not playing dead in the middle with similar types all the bloody time.

There is no reason we can't do the same with Crouch and Laird in different roles, and we don't even have to kick them to another club to make that change!

Daicos, Crisp and Mitchell at least has a good mix up for speed, skill and power to complement the inside grunt work Mitchell does.

I don't think JOM is featuring too much for Freo lately in the middle but they have a great midfield combo of Serong and Brayshaw who have the speed to play in a modern midfield.

I know Laird started his career off in the back half. I don't think Crouch has ever had much success outside the guts?

We played JOM and Mitchell off the HFF and occasionally rotating in for a CBA when Sam first started coaching the club. They weren't very good at the position.
 
Daicos, Crisp and Mitchell at least has a good mix up for speed, skill and power to complement the inside grunt work Mitchell does.

I don't think JOM is featuring too much for Freo lately in the middle but they have a great midfield combo of Serong and Brayshaw who have the speed to play in a modern midfield.

I know Laird started his career off in the back half. I don't think Crouch has ever had much success outside the guts?

We played JOM and Mitchell off the HFF and occasionally rotating in for a CBA when Sam first started coaching the club. They weren't very good at the position.
JOM has been sub a lot from what I’ve seen
 
JOM and Mitchell are doing OK at their new clubs, but also interesting not playing dead in the middle with similar types all the bloody time.

There is no reason we can't do the same with Crouch and Laird in different roles, and we don't even have to kick them to another club to make that change!
Laird yes but don't think Crouch is anything but an inside midfielder.
 
Our midfield, and pretty much all over the ground reminds me of LLeyton Hewitt, or more recently, Alex De Minaur in the ATP tournaments.

Lleyton Hewitt won his first ATP tournament at 16. He won the US Open thrashing an all time great in Pete Sampras when he was 20. He went onto win Wimbledon and was the ATP player of the year in 2001 & 2002.

He was the youngest player to hold the no.1 world ranking until 2022 when Alcaraz was younger. He was world no.1 for 75 consecutive weeks, and in 2002 he was only the 4th player in history to hold the no.1 ranking for an entire season.

Leyton was a truly great player.

We are nothing like Leyton Hewitt
 
Pardon the intrusion but I can't help but notice the parallels when we had our midfield woes with Tom Mitchell/JOM and yours currently with Crouch/Laird.

Clarkson persisted with the two slow inside mids who lacked any hurt factor to the detriment of the side. It took a shake up from Sam Mitchell trying to introduce pace and skill by adding Day + Newcombe into the mix and essentially binning these two stalwarts before our midfield started to make any progress. We've still got a long way to go and Sam has mentioned that adding a midfielder with X-factor + speed is a priority for our list moving forward (we have strong links with Bailey Smith).

I think in modern footy you can carry one slow midfielder but two is a death sentence (unless they're ridiculously good at generating clearances or hurting on the outside). Hopefully you don't take it the wrong way but I don't think Laird and Crouch are in the 'ridiculously good' category.

You’ve certainly proven Clarkson wrong since sacking him
 
Lleyton Hewitt won his first ATP tournament at 16. He won the US Open thrashing an all time great in Pete Sampras when he was 20. He went onto win Wimbledon and was the ATP player of the year in 2001 & 2002.

He was the youngest player to hold the no.1 world ranking until 2022 when Alcaraz was younger. He was world no.1 for 75 consecutive weeks, and in 2002 he was only the 4th player in history to hold the no.1 ranking for an entire season.

Leyton was a truly great player.

We are nothing like Leyton Hewitt
Yes, but if he had weapons, he'd have been elite - and that's what we lack. He won through more determination than anything else.
 
I've given up on him and Berry.

Would rather invest games into Dowling and Edwards.

hoping that this latest injury with Harry gives him a real hunger to work hard and give it a real crack

he may not get to elite level but no reasons why he can’t have an impact at AFL level

Berry, he’s hit his ceiling IMO


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We need to make a decision on Rankine and Rachelle. One of them has to become a midfielder and a star midfielder. We cannot have used a top 5 and a top 6 on 2 small forwards who play a little bit of midfield, that would diabolical list management.

Given Rankine has the tank it needs to be him.
Rachelle stays at home as a gun small forward.

Pedlar can be the hybrid for now but he needs midfield time otherwise we’ve blown another high draft pick. But with the view of being a full time mid next year. Surely he’s fit enough by then.

Taylor needs to be given a go.
Dowling needs to be given a go.
Curtin needs to play.

Laird and Crouch both can’t be in the midfield together.

Starting midfield:

Dawson, Crouch, Soligo
Rotating with Laird, Rankine and Pedlar

Curtin to the wing
Nank on the wing
Hmm, I wonder how long it takes Nicks to use the rest of my playbook?
 
The results currently aren’t showing, but I’m happy to see the midfield is evolving into a much more dynamic group. I think this has been the plan all along with the selection of Rachele and Soligo from the drafting and then playing them straight away in their first year, with some stints in the midfield.

The future likely midfield group in Rachele, Rankine, Dawson, Soligo and Pedlar/Berry is a better balance with better attacking options than the group we had at the start of the rebuild (Crouch bros, Laird, Sloane, Keays).
 
The results currently aren’t showing, but I’m happy to see the midfield is evolving into a much more dynamic group. I think this has been the plan all along with the selection of Rachele and Soligo from the drafting and then playing them straight away in their first year, with some stints in the midfield.

The future likely midfield group in Rachele, Rankine, Dawson, Soligo and Pedlar/Berry is a better balance with better attacking options than the group we had at the start of the rebuild (Crouch bros, Laird, Sloane, Keays).
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The results currently aren’t showing, but I’m happy to see the midfield is evolving into a much more dynamic group. I think this has been the plan all along with the selection of Rachele and Soligo from the drafting and then playing them straight away in their first year, with some stints in the midfield.

The future likely midfield group in Rachele, Rankine, Dawson, Soligo and Pedlar/Berry is a better balance with better attacking options than the group we had at the start of the rebuild (Crouch bros, Laird, Sloane, Keays).

just poor quality trolling
 
Robbing Peter to pay Paul...

We are patching holes in the midfield because we have failed to draft quality mids ...

We traded and drafted them for their scoring potential not to play midfield which many don't seem to understand either. If Rachele and Rankine can both turn into premier elite mids, so be it. But you can't rely on them to kick 5 goals between them every game if they are playing midfield. Plus midfielders who become goal hungry can turn into downhill skiers where they dont defend as hard as they should. One of the main criticisms of Boak and Gray during their midfield time at Port.
 

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