Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

[Chief]

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[AM]

You need to read Ms Coates interim findings.
Note I dont believe Dan is gone & if you dont recognise The Aus for exposing the phone records somehow not presented to the Inquiry, you are a sandwich short of a lunch.

The puerile attempts by the left & the right to take a dose of reality is at a low in public discussion.

I have read the Interim Report. Discussed it with many well versed in these matters and read commentary quite widely. Most of whom disagree with you and your customary high-handed overinflated opinion.

And selectively editing my long-ish post does you no credit.

 

[AM]

Lol at comparing wearing a mask outdoors which makes zero difference to saving anyone’s life v a seatbelt which actually saves lives

As for your previous post, how is Labor being behind on 2PP polling make them in the superior position federally?

Also lauded for his quarantine handling? You mean letting it escape then having to ask other states to take over whilst appointing government lawyers to run an inquiry? That’s celebrated internationally? Interesting

I wouldn't expect you to be interested in the litany of epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists et al who have commented over-and-over on the value of the universal wearing masks as a protective measure in saving lives. Particularly when compliance is high, as it has been in Victoria.

Your last para goes right to the point I was making. You can't get past the flaws in the quarantine matter - long acknowledged by those of us from the left - and offer any credit for the world recognised manner in which Dan brought it under control.

 

[Kwality]

I have read the Interim Report. Discussed it with many well versed in these matters and read commentary quite widely. Most of whom disagree with you and your customary high-handed overinflated opinion.

And selectively editing my long-ish post does you no credit.

I addressed the issues of your post I referred to.

The departmental governance issues raised by Ms Coate have been well received outside the DHHS by health professionals closer to the sharp end, more to Ms Alexander of Alfred Health.
That is just one example of the failure of the management structure in this sad fiasco.

In political terms the DHHS chief Ms Peake will wear these failures & the contracting process may well end up at IBAC. Then there is WorkSafe due at the end of January.

 

[Frank Bunn]

"Strong recommendation under high density situations" just doesn't cut it for me, I'm afraid. Too many will ignore or feign ignorance.

The restaurant policy is good, masks to the table, take them off when seated, same as the sporting arenas.

Deakin University Professor Catherine Bennett

When you are outdoors and in free-moving air and able to keep your distance from other people, the risk is as close to zero as it can possibly be,​

The disbenefits of wearing a mask in public areas just aren't that great compared to the potential cost of lots of people ignoring recommendations. Surgeons do it for hours on end so have the checkpoint people outside for days on end.

Surgeons are highly trained in hygiene regimens. They will apply their masks and other PPE very carefully in a way that is proven to reduce virus and bacteria transmission to their patients.

Mask wearing by the general public is very different. People will be applying and removing their masks incorrectly. From what I've seen people are grabbing a mask, that they have worn before, out of their pocket or off their car dashboard. There is significant risk of bacterial infections from repeated wearing of the same mask.

There are 18,000 tests per day in Victoria and no new infections. There comes a point where the side effects of a health prevention measure can outweigh the benefits.

 

[Saint]

Deakin University Professor Catherine Bennett

When you are outdoors and in free-moving air and able to keep your distance from other people, the risk is as close to zero as it can possibly be,​

The trouble is how do you define "able to keep your distance from other people"?

There aren't many streets in commercial areas where you can maintain 1m+ separation.

Outside supermarkets and shops, busy town shopping strips, they all still require masks to maintain low Reff rates.

I'd rather we were still required to wear masks in these busy places than risk another lockdown.

To me, it's one of those ones where you keep the rules/regulations in place and it's the police who decide the discretion with additional training. The alternative is to remove restrictions and rely on people to do the right thing, which has been proven not to work.

People might stop wearing them in local streets and the police will ignore it (like parking on naturestrips). But in busier areas, it needs enforcement or at least the ability to enforce.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

donuts 11 days running. Still at 0.4 daily average. this drops to 0.3, 0.2, and 0.0 if we get donuts for the next three days

13k tests (up from the drop to 10k on the Sunday number)

still 2 in hospital and 4 active infections

down to 1 unknown over 14 days (that goes Sunday)

 

[AM]

donuts 11 days running. Still at 0.4 daily average. this drops to 0.3, 0.2, and 0.0 if we get donuts for the next three days

13k tests (up from the drop to 10k on the Sunday number)

still 2 in hospital and 4 active infections

down to 1 unknown over 14 days (that goes Sunday)

Still two in hospital and four active infections. Bloody Dan!!!

Spoken for and on behalf of Eddie and the handful of failing Danbusters.

 

[eddiesmith]

Still two in hospital and four active infections. Bloody Dan!!!

Spoken for and on behalf of Eddie and the handful of failing Danbusters.

Yet still we wear masks and have heavier restrictions than anywhere else, despite less active cases than every state bar Tasmania

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Yet still we wear masks and have heavier restrictions than anywhere else, despite less active cases than every state bar Tasmania

DAYS SINCE UNKNOWN COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION
VIC - 12
NSW - 13
QLD - 61
TAS - 91
SA - 208
WA - 213
ACT - 214

the reason we are still wearing masks is because we are not out of the window of having likely undetected community transmission

 

[Evolved1]

And now we don’t!

All I know is I’m a lot healthier since escaping Melbourne, being able to shop in NSW and living in a regional area where they are very relaxed about masks. No one here toots at you because you’re walking without a mask...

According to the GP I visited yesterday, you can go maskless if you have a medical condition even if you don't have a medical certificate to prove it. That's subject to your workplace, shopping center, or school policy, but out in open spaces is a different matter.

I'm yet to see any scientific justification to suggest our mask policy isn't overkill. As you can see in this thread and elsewhere, Melburnians have lost the plot in 2020. Some are so scared of a virus that they'll accept anything the government forces on us, and turn on those who question the status quo.

As someone in the middle of xmas holidays planning, I'm already looking at options in NSW purely because of the mask policy in Victoria. Presumably the tourism industry isn't a large consideration for Dan.

 

[Cash is King]

Still two in hospital and four active infections. Bloody Dan!!!

Spoken for and on behalf of Eddie and the handful of failing Danbusters.

Still failed to prevent the biggest cluster in Australia.

First he spends a billion dollars to rip up a perfectly valid contract and then he refuses help from Canberra as if he knows better than everyone else.

Is it any wonder how the title “Dictator Dan” came about?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

According to the GP I visited yesterday, you can go maskless if you have a medical condition even if you don't have a medical certificate to prove it. That's subject to your workplace, shopping center, or school policy, but out in open spaces is a different matter.

I'm yet to see any scientific justification to suggest our mask policy isn't overkill. As you can see in this thread and elsewhere, Melburnians have lost the plot in 2020. Some are so scared of a virus that they'll accept anything the government forces on us, and turn on those who question the status quo.

As someone in the middle of xmas holidays planning, I'm already looking at options in NSW purely because of the mask policy in Victoria. Presumably the tourism industry isn't a large consideration for Dan.

noone from outside vic is holidaying in victoria any time soon, masks or no masks

noone is going to the usa, the EU, or much of south america. like it or not, we have been bundled with them because of our numbers compared to the rest of australia

the lag on perception is huge, we have a while to go before people come down here

 

[Evolved1]

noone from outside vic is holidaying in victoria any time soon, masks or no masks

noone is going to the usa, the EU, or much of south america. like it or not, we have been bundled with them because of our numbers compared to the rest of australia

the lag on perception is huge, we have a while to go before people come down here

I'm thinking in terms of Victorians and their xmas holidays. Given the choice between a maskless NSW or a masked Victoria, I'll cross the border for my holiday. I doubt I'm alone there.

I hope the 'masks are just a bit of fabric' brigade are taking our tourism industry into consideration. Dan practically begged Victorians to holiday in Victoria yet our mask policy has tipped the scales for me.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I'm thinking in terms of Victorians and their xmas holidays. Given the choice between a maskless NSW or a masked Victoria, I'll cross the border for my holiday. I doubt I'm alone there.

I hope the 'masks are just a bit of fabric' brigade are taking our tourism industry into consideration. Dan practically begged Victorians to holiday in Victoria yet our mask policy has tipped the scales for me.

people are pissed with the other states, esp nsw thanks to scomo and his "youre on your own" approach to us.

most people ive been speaking to are boycotting the rest of oz and are planning to hit country victoria hard

 

[Evolved1]

people are pissed with the other states, esp nsw thanks to scomo and his "youre on your own" approach to us.

most people ive been speaking to are boycotting the rest of oz and are planning to hit country victoria hard

I've felt like it's been Melbourne against the rest of Australia, with regional Vic pissed to be lumped in with us. Regional Victoria will get no favortism from me. **** them.

If I could go overseas as a protest against all of the campaigners in country Victoria and the rest of Australia, I would. Since I can't, masks will be the defining factor.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I've felt like it's been Melbourne against the rest of Australia, with regional Vic pissed to be lumped in with us. Regional Victoria will get no favortism from me. fu** them.

If I could go overseas as a protest against all of the campaigners in country Victoria and the rest of Australia, I would. Since I can't, masks will be the defining factor.

In that case, Mornington Peninsula

 

[eddiesmith]

I'm thinking in terms of Victorians and their xmas holidays. Given the choice between a maskless NSW or a masked Victoria, I'll cross the border for my holiday. I doubt I'm alone there.

I hope the 'masks are just a bit of fabric' brigade are taking our tourism industry into consideration. Dan practically begged Victorians to holiday in Victoria yet our mask policy has tipped the scales for me.

I was ridiculed on here the other day for suggesting people would flee the state to holiday. Dan knows it, that's why he begged everyone to stay in Victoria and told us we were not to leave the state unless absolutely neccasary. I know a few people just planning their escapes.

Up here the border reopening will finally allow our cricket team to actually pick their best XI. Atm the team changes depending on if the game is in NSW or Victoria as some NSW players are outside the border zone and can't go into Victoria without then having to isolate for 14 days. But best thing is when we play in NSW, no masks!

I'm looking forward to Christmas, remember we are supposed to wear masks inside the house when we have visitors, is Dan expecting people to wear masks at their Christmas parties? Lol, good luck with that one Dan!!!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

12th day of no positives, no deaths, 14 day average down to 0.3

still 4 actives, still 2 in hospital

testing yesterday up to 20,000. assume this is happening as a part of the targeted testing in Hume and Brimbank

 

[Cash is King]

Well I’m looking to permanently vacate Victoria. After 3 days of sun and warm temperatures it got me thinking how nice it would be to experience it everyday without the ridiculousness temperature drops that follow in summer. I’d also say that QLD is more in line with my laidback values.

I never got what anybody sees in Melbourne and it’s only gotten worse as a more socialist and left wing agenda takes hold. It doesn’t even matter if the libs are in power here.

Aside from the socialist agenda, the whole coffee dining culture just shits me with mugs spending their $5 a shot and don’t get me started on the choking traffic and overdevelopment in our backyards. That said, Sydney is just as bad.

 

[chunkylover53]

Well I’m looking to permanently vacate Victoria. After 3 days of sun and warm temperatures it got me thinking how nice it would be to experience it everyday without the ridiculousness temperature drops that follow in summer. I’d also say that QLD is more in line with my laidback values.

I never got what anybody sees in Melbourne and it’s only gotten worse as a more socialist and left wing agenda takes hold. It doesn’t even matter if the libs are in power here.

Aside from the socialist agenda, the whole coffee dining culture just shits me with mugs spending their $5 a shot and don’t get me started on the choking traffic and overdevelopment in our backyards. That said, Sydney is just as bad.

What socialist policies have been implemented in Victoria that have hampered your life?

 

[Cash is King]

What socialist policies have been implemented in Victoria that have hampered your life?

Let’s talk about schools shall we. I see how soft my nephew is and I attribute it to social engineering and this safe schools crap. Had I carried on like that at his age, the grade 5 boys of 98 would have ripped me a new one and never let me live it down. The lack of discipline due to shifts in social policies has not only created weak kids, but has also allowed street violence to grow unchecked as adults are no longer allowed to pull the young ones into line with force.

It may not have affected my life since I refuse to buy onto this progressive Melbourne crap but I’m finding myself having less and less in common with Melbournians. Furthermore, I don’t want Hk density in my backyard thanks. If that’s progression, then get me outta here.

 

[Cash is King]

Oh I forgot to add, I’m a punter and restrictions have made it even harder for me (although not impossible) due to moronic socialist government policies that protect people from their own adult decisions.

 

[Caj]

Yes there will be floods of people fleeing the mask-wearing dictatorship of Victoria

I recently chose to holiday in NSW rather than Victoria because of the mask situation, I won't be the only one

 

[Evolved1]

Coastal QLD is nice. I know a couple people who made the move there with no regrets. I'd think the schooling options right up to tertiary level would be less in quantity and quality though.

You can make better coffees at home than at a cafe if you don't go cheap on the machine and the beans. Its an easy way to save money.

 

[tandino]

Queensland can stick their potato scallops square up their arse.