Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 6

[Nuggs Bunny]

AstraZeneca vaccine booster works against Omicron, Oxford lab study finds

A three-dose course of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine is effective against the rapidly-spreading Omicron coronavirus variant, the pharmaceutical company said on Thursday, citing data from an Oxford University lab study.

www.reuters.com

Hopefully, Australia looks to restart production of AstraZeneca so that those of us who have already had an AstraZeneca dose without the side effects can choose to have the same vaccine. I am not sure what the side-effects of Moderna/Pfizer are, but given I had no complications with the AZ dose I would much prefer to stick with the known quantity instead of having to monitor for side effects again.

 

[adogsfan5]

AstraZeneca vaccine booster works against Omicron, Oxford lab study finds

A three-dose course of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine is effective against the rapidly-spreading Omicron coronavirus variant, the pharmaceutical company said on Thursday, citing data from an Oxford University lab study.

www.reuters.com

Hopefully, Australia looks to restart production of AstraZeneca so that those of us who have already had an AstraZeneca dose without the side effects can choose to have the same vaccine. I am not sure what the side-effects of Moderna/Pfizer are, but given I had no complications with the AZ dose I would much prefer to stick with the known quantity instead of having to monitor for side effects again.

Im in the same boat as you.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

AstraZeneca vaccine booster works against Omicron, Oxford lab study finds

A three-dose course of AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine is effective against the rapidly-spreading Omicron coronavirus variant, the pharmaceutical company said on Thursday, citing data from an Oxford University lab study.

www.reuters.com

Hopefully, Australia looks to restart production of AstraZeneca so that those of us who have already had an AstraZeneca dose without the side effects can choose to have the same vaccine. I am not sure what the side-effects of Moderna/Pfizer are, but given I had no complications with the AZ dose I would much prefer to stick with the known quantity instead of having to monitor for side effects again.

Should be making all 3.

Create enough to help out our pacific neighbours and Asian neighbours too.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

That's a piss poor justification from an alleged research scientist.

Why should we trust the word of an anonymous bigfooty poster over sound advice from regulators who have far greater resources to evaluate research papers and submissions from vaccine manufacturers?

The regulators who just reduced the interval again, twice.

But the catch: 4 months from early Jan, 3 months from the end of Jan?

But why the lag in eligibility time? Feel free to apologise.

 

[hawkman]

Just typical of the western world really. Everything to excess, think short term and fu** poor people.

Blanket COVID boosters risk prolonging pandemic, WHO chief warns

WHO chief Tedros insists priority remains getting vaccines to unvaccinated and vulnerable people everywhere.

www.aljazeera.com

Look after ourselves, forget about everyone else. Then as cases are spiralling elsewhere and new variants come up in places that have little vaccination look after ourselves again and forget about everyone else. The cycle will keep repeating

 

[eddiesmith]

Source for this comment?

Which state run testing sites are closed Friday and the weekend?

Every single site that’s running at a pathology clinic.

Source? Victoria’s covid testing locations site and driving past the few they said were open and none of them are.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

So down to 4 months from January 4 and 3 months from January 31

Who could have predicted this was both necessary and that there are arbitrary eligibility dates due to supply/logistical constraints?

Who could have predicted it say 12ish hours ago?

 

[Senor M]

Every single site that’s running at a pathology clinic.

Source? Victoria’s covid testing locations site and driving past the few they said were open and none of them are.

I’ll ask again, because you avoided the main part of the question.

Which of those sites are state run & which of those are privately run?

 

[hawkman]

The regulators who just reduced the interval again, twice.

But the catch: 4 months from early Jan, 3 months from the end of Jan?

But why the lag in eligibility time? Feel free to apologise.

16m people become eligible by the end of January. If you made them all eligible by the start of January it would just cause chaos with 400-500k per day required. Even at full capacity previously i don't think we were more than 250k per day

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

16m people become eligible by the end of January. If you made them all eligible by the start of January it would just cause chaos even at full capacity i don't think we were close

So I was correct yes?

You can say it.

 

[tangolikelama]

As some who is positive and had their booster - the fatigue is unreal

 

[hawkman]

So I was correct yes?

Vaccines wise not sure, given they are open to pretty much everyone by end of January I doubt it. Logistics wise that is obvious as there is no way we could do 400-500k per day without taking significant resources from elsewhere since we have never done that previously

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Vaccines wise not sure, given they are open to pretty much everyone by end of January I doubt it. Logistics wise that is obvious as there is no way we could do 400-500k per day without taking significant resources from elsewhere since we have never done that previously

Really, because yesterday when I explained that the reason ATAGI hadn't granted a 3 month interval was down to supply and logistical issues because of the dates demand would peak, I was told that was bullshit.

Yet here you are, telling me that what I stated, was 100% factual as if everyone disputing it should have held it as common knowledge?

 

[Donakebab]

Every single site that’s running at a pathology clinic.

Source? Victoria’s covid testing locations site and driving past the few they said were open and none of them are.

Private companies making decisions about their own companies.


ALL DAN'S FAULT!!!!

 

[Nikita Blue]

To all who frequent this board, regardless of which team you are supposedly on, i wish you all a merry xmas and enjoy the day whichever way you are spending it tomorrow.

Happy holidays Magnum27

 

[eddiesmith]

I’ll ask again, because you avoided the main part of the question.

Which of those sites are state run & which of those are privately run?

Didn’t realise they advertise which are state government and which aren’t…

The one I eventually found was only operating at half capacity and has had to close twice this morning.

But the Victorian government is running the testing program and ever are failing to provide capacity to meet their arduous requirements. Maybe they should increase hours or capacity at their sites but instead they’ve done the opposite.

We know you’re just an ass kisser but simple fact is numbers should be well down over Christmas cos people can’t get tested.

 

[Senor M]

Didn’t realise they advertise which are state government and which aren’t…

The one I eventually found was only operating at half capacity and has had to close twice this morning.

But the Victorian government is running the testing program and ever are failing to provide capacity to meet their arduous requirements. Maybe they should increase hours or capacity at their sites but instead they’ve done the opposite.

You're blaming the Victorian government for private businesses being closed.

Are you going to blame the Victorian government for my local chemist or doctor's surgery not administering COVID booster shots tomorrow?

We know you’re just an ass kisser but simple fact is numbers should be well down over Christmas cos people can’t get tested.

Are you capable of having a discussion without resorting to personal insults

 

[hawkman]

Really, because yesterday when I explained that the reason ATAGI hadn't granted a 3 month interval was down to supply and logistical issues because of the dates demand would peak, I was told that was bullshit.

Yet here you are, telling me that what I stated, was 100% factual as if everyone disputing it should have held it as common knowledge?

Not sure why you need to act like a flog trying to prove you were right to me when i wasn't involved in that previous conversation

 

[eddiesmith]

You're blaming the Victorian government for private businesses being closed.

Are you going to blame the Victorian government for my local chemist or doctor's surgery not administering COVID booster shots tomorrow?




Are you capable of having a discussion without resorting to personal insults

Im blaming the Victorian government for not providing sufficient capacity in their testing program to cater for their own demands.

I imagine these private companies are paid by the government to undertake the testing in their behalf. But then you probably still maintain the government wasn’t responsible for the private security they hired…

If the state government mandated you must have a booster shot to go visit your family at Christmas then shutdown it’d be a fair comparison…

 

[Senor M]

Im blaming the Victorian government for not providing sufficient capacity in their testing program to cater for their own demands.

I imagine these private companies are paid by the government to undertake the testing in their behalf.

Private organisations who already specialised in pathology services & get medicare rebates for conducting COVID tests.

But then you probably still maintain the government wasn’t responsible for the private security they hired…

Irrelevant to the discussion mate.

If the state government mandated you must have a booster shot to go visit your family at Christmas then shutdown it’d be a fair comparison…

When did the Victorian government mandate that people need a COVID test to visit their family at Christmas?

 

[eddiesmith]

Private organisations who already specialised in pathology services & get medicare rebates for conducting COVID tests.



Irrelevant to the discussion mate.



When did the Victorian government mandate that people need a COVID test to visit their family at Christmas?

Its relevant to whether you feel the government has responsibility for people it hires or whether contracts have certain requirements to be met. If the contracts are only 4 days a week then what has the government done to ensure sufficient capacity the other 3 days and public holidays? Judging by the reduced capacity their mass testing sites, nothing.

They have mandated probably hundreds of thousands get tested because they spent 30 seconds with a person who a week later tested positive. They have also recommended everyone get tested before Xmas lunch.

 

[Senor M]

Its relevant to whether you feel the government has responsibility for people it hires or whether contracts have certain requirements to be met. If the contracts are only 4 days a week then what has the government done to ensure sufficient capacity the other 3 days and public holidays? Judging by the reduced capacity their mass testing sites, nothing.

The Victorian state government does not hire staff for the 4cyte, Dorevitch or Co-health clinics, nor is their contracts that they have to meet certain requirements. They are private medical organisations that undertake tests (by their own decision) to complete tests to get medicare rebates, no different than chemists or GP's completing vaccinations (some GP's also did COVID tests early in the pandemic).

Blaming the Victorian government for the actions of private organisations is ridiculous and out of touch with any understanding of what's happening.

They have mandated probably hundreds of thousands get tested because they spent 30 seconds with a person who a week later tested positive.

So they've mandated a really vague about of people to get tested through the definition of close and casual contacts. I'm going to encourage you to read up on the definiton-- because I don't think you understand what either of those phrases mean here in Victoria at the moment (HINT: It's significantly longer than 30 seconds )

They have also recommended everyone get tested before Xmas lunch.

When/where did they recommend everyone get a PCR test?

They encouraged people to buy Rapid at-home tests to use for Christmas if you're interacting in a large group.

Do you actually listen to the health advice or just take your "research" from Telegram groups?

 

[Brad Goodman]

If you get pinged and subsequently don’t go get tested, what are the consequences?

 

[eddiesmith]

Blaming the Victorian government for the actions of private organisations is ridiculous and out of touch with any understanding of what's happening.



So they've mandated a really vague about of people to get tested through the definition of close and casual contacts. I'm going to encourage you to read up on the definiton-- because I don't think you understand what either of those phrases mean here in Victoria at the moment (HINT: It's significantly longer than 30 seconds )



When/where did they recommend everyone get a PCR test?

They encouraged people to buy Rapid at-home tests to use for Christmas if you're interacting in a large group.

Do you actually listen to the health advice or just take your "research" from Telegram groups?

So what is the Victorian government doing to ensure they can meet the testing requirements they impose on people over the weekend and holidays?

Well that’s where you are wrong yet again, because QR coding doesn’t differentiate between someone who spent 30 seconds, 30 minutes or 3 hours in a venue. Yet they require all of them to isolate and get tested.

They recommended everyone pay for a test if they can find it, I’m sure plenty of people would prefer the government’s free test.

 

[adogsfan5]

Flights cancelled due to airline staff isolating.

Some Restrictions back due to HCWs isolating.

Testing sites with huge waiting times / declining people.

Millions being spent by the government on a daily basis on people who aren’t sick to get a PCR test and isolate at home.

One CHO says Australia needs to let this variant run through. Another says we need to be conservative.

How long will it take to iron these out?

Omicron is clearly more contagious but milder - how long are we going to keep isolating people who have cold like symptoms or none at all? At some point, we are going to have hundreds of thousands of people isolating at home. At 90% + double vax, how on earth is this the way forward?