Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[Frank Bunn]

Privatisation by stealth?

...... the Andrews government’s “scoping study” which is currently investigating future options, including outsourcing to the private sector, for the VicRoads registration and licensing services.

ASU branch secretary Lisa Darmanin said 800 workers in 40 offices spread across Victoria from Mildura to Carlton could be affected.
“They are pretty worried about their futures right now,” Ms Darmanin said.
“They are worried because they know what it means when a government says that they are pursuing joint ventures with the private sector, and it usually isn’t good.

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As a customer of Vicroads I have found them to be a very good organisation to deal with. Their apps work well. I've gone into branches in Geelong and Melbourne and it's been a very efficient process.

These joint ventures of federal or state government with the private sector tend to be about the big consultancy companies cosying up with ministers to be awarded multi-hundred million dollar contracts. Once they get the contract they are at liberty to cut costs by moving roles overseas.

I'm sure Andrews will release some garbage figures to justify this.

 

[Frank Bunn]

• Major projects are plucked from a bucket of things to do by governments looking to win voters in certain seats, rather than being on a clear list of priorities developed by a non-partisan group, so some projects get brought from concept to fruition in too short of a timeframe for due diligence to be done on examining design clashes and construction constraints.

Didn't Andrews set up Infrastructure Victoria to avoid the problems you highlighted - then totally disregard the body he set up?

The Victorian Parliament has today passed legislation creating Infrastructure Victoria, delivering a key election commitment from the Andrews Labor Government and giving certainty for our infrastructure pipeline.​

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A landmark reform, Infrastructure Victoria will take short term politics out of infrastructure planning, and keep our pipeline of major projects full to grow our economy and create jobs.​

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The new independent body will be tasked with ensuring Victoria’s immediate and long-term infrastructure needs are identified and prioritised based on objective, transparent analysis and evidence.​

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Infrastructure Victoria will consult widely, consider the needs of the whole state and prioritise the projects that deliver the best results.​

Building Better Infrastructure For Jobs And Growth

The Victorian Parliament has today passed legislation creating Infrastructure Victoria, delivering a key election commitment from the Andrews Labor Government and giving certainty for our infrastructure pipeline. A landmark reform, Infrastructure Victoria will take short term politics out of infr

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[Nuggs Bunny]

Didn't Andrews set up Infrastructure Victoria to avoid the problems you highlighted - then totally disregard the body he set up?

The Victorian Parliament has today passed legislation creating Infrastructure Victoria, delivering a key election commitment from the Andrews Labor Government and giving certainty for our infrastructure pipeline.​

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A landmark reform, Infrastructure Victoria will take short term politics out of infrastructure planning, and keep our pipeline of major projects full to grow our economy and create jobs.​

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The new independent body will be tasked with ensuring Victoria’s immediate and long-term infrastructure needs are identified and prioritised based on objective, transparent analysis and evidence.​

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Infrastructure Victoria will consult widely, consider the needs of the whole state and prioritise the projects that deliver the best results.​

Building Better Infrastructure For Jobs And Growth

The Victorian Parliament has today passed legislation creating Infrastructure Victoria, delivering a key election commitment from the Andrews Labor Government and giving certainty for our infrastructure pipeline. A landmark reform, Infrastructure Victoria will take short term politics out of infr

www.premier.vic.gov.au

Yes, it should have gone some way to fixing that problem but unfortunately their capacity is only to advise and not to dictate.

A better model would be to increase the scope of the body to have the powers to undertake projects according to their determination of priority and governments to decide only how much money they'll contribute to ticking things off the list.

 

[Pessimistic]

As a customer of Vicroads I have found them to be a very good organisation to deal with. Their apps work well. I've gone into branches in Geelong and Melbourne and it's been a very efficient process.

These joint ventures of federal or state government with the private sector tend to be about the big consultancy companies cosying up with ministers to be awarded multi-hundred million dollar contracts. Once they get the contract they are at liberty to cut costs by moving roles overseas.

I'm sure Andrews will release some garbage figures to justify this.

If politicians stopped interfering so much in their own agencies, much as they wouldnt do when they privatize something, they would be a whole lot more efficient.

For example some pollies try to relocate agencies to marginal country electorates, making them much less efficient
Transurban and eastlink arent based in ballarat and neither should vicroads/DOT

Its so ironic

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

If politicians stopped interfering so much in their own agencies, much as they wouldnt do when they privatize something, they would be a whole lot more efficient.

For example some pollies try to relocate agencies to marginal country electorates, making them much less efficient
Transurban and eastlink arent based in ballarat and neither should vicroads/DOT

Its so ironic

Why, what exotic skills are required for the bulk of VicRoads staff that aren't found in Ballarat?

 

[Kwality]

Why, what exotic skills are required for the bulk of VicRoads staff that aren't found in Ballarat?

You could apply your thinking to Target pulling its Head Office from Geelong to Werribee/Williams Landing.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

You could apply your thinking to Target pulling its Head Office from Geelong to Werribee/Williams Landing.

I could but it'd be pretty pointless. You know, seeing as Target is an offshoot brand from an ASX listed company that made the relocation decision as part of a wider move to restructure their business in pursuit of more profit and VicRoads is a government department.

If we're serious about decentralising Melbourne and sustainable growth, that means moving jobs that don't need to be in the city away from the city. Government departments have the least excuse.

 

[Pessimistic]

Why, what exotic skills are required for the bulk of VicRoads staff that aren't found in Ballarat?

I bet you are the first to complain when things stop working. So why arent transurban there?

Why not relocate parliament there?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I bet you are the first to complain when things stop working. So why arent transurban there?

Why not relocate parliament there?

Do you have legitimate reasons as to why menial government service jobs shouldn't be in regional areas or are you content with asking rhetorical questions about different circumstances?

 

[Pessimistic]

Menial lol

All those things were outsourced to private long ago

Anyway my point is if they privatised it, the move wont happen

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Menial lol

All those things were outsourced to private long ago

Anyway my point is if they privatised it, the move wont happen

Correct, they'd be moved to the Philippines like what Transurban tried to do a few years back. Is that what you want?

 

[Pessimistic]

Correct, they'd be moved to the Philippines like what Transurban tried to do a few years back. Is that what you want?

Arent the tram and train operating companies foreign owned? More likely scenario. Do they have phillipine operations?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Arent the tram and train operating companies foreign owned? More likely scenario. Do they have phillipine operations?

You're telling the story

 

[Pessimistic]

You're telling the story

I made my point

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I made my point

10 million people in 2050.

Your ideology is unsustainable.

 

[The Punter]

While I take on board the points about the politicisation of budgeting and things like that, the idea that projects should be decided by an independent, unaccountable authority is pretty undemocratic.

I sound like I may be contradicting myself, but the proposed solution of a Robert Moses in New York like situation of someone making decisions out of the reach of normal political accountability is not ideal. The current situation may not be ideal either, but it's not as bad as the Moses situation.

Governments need to be accountable to the governed.

 

[Pessimistic]

While I take on board the points about the politicisation of budgeting and things like that, the idea that projects should be decided by an independent, unaccountable authority is pretty undemocratic.

I sound like I may be contradicting myself, but the proposed solution of a Robert Moses in New York like situation of someone making decisions out of the reach of normal political accountability is not ideal. The current situation may not be ideal either, but it's not as bad as the Moses situation.

Governments need to be accountable to the governed.

That requires voters to look under the hood to actual performance rather than the reality soap politics mutation we have today. Indeed Dan is a boring centrist politician who seemed to slip through the soap opera politics competition we have today. We are a little lucky really

 

[Pessimistic]

10 million people in 2050.

Your ideology is unsustainable.

you assume my ideaolgy from what? Im merely providing commentary. pointing out that infrastructure which gets privatised often has foreign ownership is not idealogical, its an observation.

 

[The Punter]

That requires voters to look under the hood to actual performance rather than the reality soap politics mutation we have today. Indeed Dan is a boring centrist politician who seemed to slip through the soap opera politics competition we have today. We are a little lucky really

You won't get far blaming voters, but I assume your (real) name has never been on a ballot. It's up to those who are asking for our votes to properly articulate "looking under the hood". An $800m+ deficit over the first three months of 2019-2020 largely based on a public wages explosion is not pretty viewing under the hood, when most of that wage increase has been made up of policy officers and government relations advisers.

And for the record, I strongly disagree with the description of Daniel Andrews as a centrist.

 

[Pessimistic]

You won't get far blaming voters, but I assume your (real) name has never been on a ballot. It's up to those who are asking for our votes to properly articulate "looking under the hood". An $800m+ deficit over the first three months of 2019-2020 largely based on a public wages explosion is not pretty viewing under the hood, when most of that wage increase has been made up of policy officers and government relations advisers.

And for the record, I strongly disagree with the description of Daniel Andrews as a centrist.

I agree there are far too may spin doctors - all governments

 

[Emptyorangeseat]

10 million people in 2050.

Your ideology is unsustainable.

Apex gang in larger numbers!
Old dan the the idiot left will still be in denial of their existence

 

[Kwality]

Why is Dan a 'shoe in':
Liberal elder Tony Nutt has handed down a scathing review of the party’s 2018 Victorian state election campaign, outlining a laundry list of woes including financial struggles, the federal leadership spill, inadequate screening of candidates, factionalism, “fundamentally wrong” polling data and a poorly prepared campaign platform which failed to cut through in the face of a superior strategy from Premier Daniel Andrews and Labor.
The 2018 state election saw the Coalition lose 11 seats to retain just 27 seat in the 88 seat lower house, losing seats which had previously been considered blue ribbon Liberal territory in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs.

The review largely spares then opposition leader Matthew Guy from blame, strongly hinting that the “lobster with a mobster” hit on Mr Guy was an inside job.

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[Jascave]

Why is Dan a 'shoe in':
Liberal elder Tony Nutt has handed down a scathing review of the party’s 2018 Victorian state election campaign, outlining a laundry list of woes including financial struggles, the federal leadership spill, inadequate screening of candidates, factionalism, “fundamentally wrong” polling data and a poorly prepared campaign platform which failed to cut through in the face of a superior strategy from Premier Daniel Andrews and Labor.
The 2018 state election saw the Coalition lose 11 seats to retain just 27 seat in the 88 seat lower house, losing seats which had previously been considered blue ribbon Liberal territory in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs.

The review largely spares then opposition leader Matthew Guy from blame, strongly hinting that the “lobster with a mobster” hit on Mr Guy was an inside job.

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Seeing that according to the Victorian Liberal election review, the ‘lobster with a mobster’ hit on former Opposition Leader Matthew Guy was an ‘inside job’, could it be that several disgruntled Liberals MPs who were unhappy with the way Guy was doing his job as Liberals leader decided to leak the story to the Age about Guy having a lobster dinner with an alleged Mafia figure in order to plan for a leadership challenge against Guy in the future?


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[Kwality]

While I take on board the points about the politicisation of budgeting and things like that, the idea that projects should be decided by an independent, unaccountable authority is pretty undemocratic.

I sound like I may be contradicting myself, but the proposed solution of a Robert Moses in New York like situation of someone making decisions out of the reach of normal political accountability is not ideal. The current situation may not be ideal either, but it's not as bad as the Moses situation.

Governments need to be accountable to the governed.

Looks like the pain is being shared

Seeing that according to the Victorian Liberal election review, the ‘lobster with a mobster’ hit on former Opposition Leader Matthew Guy was an ‘inside job’, could it be that several disgruntled Liberals MPs who were unhappy with the way Guy was doing his job as Liberals leader decided to leak the story to the Age about Guy having a lobster dinner with an alleged Mafia figure in order to plan for a leadership challenge against Guy in the future?


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Are you over ratings the Libs? They had no talent, still havent, I checked, there is only an empty old school blazer.

 

[Frank Bunn]

While I take on board the points about the politicisation of budgeting and things like that, the idea that projects should be decided by an independent, unaccountable authority is pretty undemocratic.

I sound like I may be contradicting myself, but the proposed solution of a Robert Moses in New York like situation of someone making decisions out of the reach of normal political accountability is not ideal. The current situation may not be ideal either, but it's not as bad as the Moses situation.

Governments need to be accountable to the governed.

I don't think anyone is arguing that decisions should be made outside government but in Daniel Andrews' own words...

Infrastructure Victoria was set up to take short term politics out of infrastructure planning. Be an independent body tasked with ensuring Victoria’s immediate and long-term infrastructure needs are identified and prioritised based on objective, transparent analysis and evidence. Infrastructure Victoria will consult widely, consider the needs of the whole state and prioritise the projects that deliver the best results.

Nek minut, there's an election and he rejects their advice and goes for projects that make the biggest headlines.