Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[Tiges1229]

A couple of big rail announcements today demonstrates why governments of both sides ignored infrastructure for so long.

A look at social media commentary following these announcements really highlights what a pathetic, selfish, entitled people we are with the incessant "but what about me?!" bullshit.

It's like everyone in this ******* city expects a train station at the end of their street. But you can't close any road or disrupt any rail services while you build it, you can't make any noise while you build it, and you absolutely cannot spoil some whinging pricks view of a friggen empty sky despite the fact you're increasing their house value, providing better public transport, and giving them an amazing 21st century park right next door to their house.

And when it opens? The station still can't create any noise or cause any light spill... oh, and no one else is allowed to use it, lest these entitled pieces of shit not get a seat because apparently a seat on public transport is a basic human right (said no one in an inner-to-mid range suburb ever.)

**** me, what a dismal view of Victorians/Melburnians it paints every time Andrews or Allan posts on the "big build". It makes me hate people even more than I usually do. You want public transport? Don't move to a place that doesn't have any. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too with cheap housing, backyards, and inner-city amenities.

Spot on so true , a lot of people will whinge and whine at everything and anything in this state , it is actually pathetic . We finally at least get a govt that’s trying to do stuff and all most do is complain including the flog Matthew Guy .

 

[Fire]

I have to say, this outer city loop Andrews is announcing is fanned impressive. It's incredibly bold and forward thinking, which you just don't see governments doing.

I was incredibly critical of his decision not to include south Yarra in the metro tunnel; but this sort of vision makes that look like a minor gripe.

It will open melbourne up and change the way it operates for the better. Not even new York really has tgis sort of rail infrastructure; almost all the lines run through Manhattan before going out to another borough. And the one that does go inter-borough is useless in its coverage.

This is excoting. I hope they win and get this started. I just don't know why it needs to take 28 years. There's something wrong woth that.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

This will change the face of Melbourne

Only a Labor Government would have the vision to get this done

 

[GreyWind]

I have to say, this outer city loop Andrews is announcing is fanned impressive. It's incredibly bold and forward thinking, which you just don't see governments doing.

I was incredibly critical of his decision not to include south Yarra in the metro tunnel; but this sort of vision makes that look like a minor gripe.

It will open melbourne up and change the way it operates for the better. Not even new York really has tgis sort of rail infrastructure; almost all the lines run through Manhattan before going out to another borough. And the one that does go inter-borough is useless in its coverage.

This is excoting. I hope they win and get this started. I just don't know why it needs to take 28 years. There's something wrong woth that.

Go big or go home it seems. It's rail infrastructure like this that will improve Victoria for all Victorians, plus it's better for the environment and will hopefully reduce congestion.

But yeah 28 years is a long time, hopefully that's just a conservative timeframe where the Government can then brag that their 28 year project was done in 22 years instead.

 

[laam]

I was incredibly critical of his decision not to include south Yarra in the metro tunnel; but this sort of vision makes that look like a minor gripe.

Loving this announcement but can I ask why the issue with this?

There's very few reasons to bother with South Yarra given the cost. See if you can name one movement that is disadvantaged by no interchange that can't be fixed in one change of train. The only one I can think of is if you were on Sandringham line and wanted to go to domain. But you could still get off south Yarra and catch the no 8 tram from out the front. So not too bad. People need to get used to changing trains, with Melbourne Metro and now the outer loop.

 

[Frank Bunn]

This will change the face of Melbourne

Only a Labor Government would have the vision to get this done

Laughable. If you believe that will ever be built I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[FRUMPY]

Do we want prison to be purely punitive or is rehabilitation not also part of the process? Strikes me as being a useful resource as well, he gets to show the kids directly what consequences can arise from your actions. I feel for the parents but this strikes me as a fairly typical Murdoch law and order story.

You mean from a guy who keeps appealing his sentence and doesn't take any responsibility for his actions? What can he teach these kids?

 

[laam]

Laughable. If you believe that will ever be built I've got a bridge to sell you.

I am interested in the cost, given all underground, Melb Metro is about $1 Billion per km, pro rata for this project would put it up towards $90 Billion. Might get a bit of a discount given its not all inner city, but still tunnels don't care if you're in the city or not. You would have to be planning to increase the job density massively around each of the hub stations for this to be worth it.

 

[Rob R]

and as per normal with Dan Andrews policies, it seems melbourne goes no further west than sunshine

 

[DIG]

Excellent idea. Rapt to see this it's exactly what we need.

28 years tho....

 

[DIG]

You would have to be planning to increase the job density massively around each of the hub stations for this to be worth it.

That's been in motion for a while now. Seen Box Hill lately?

 

[laam]

and as per normal with Dan Andrews policies, it seems melbourne goes no further west than sunshine

The image above is wrong, it then goes Sunshine to Werribee. But agree the west gets done over compared to the East here.

 

[its free real estate]

Imagine the levels of crime there'll be on that train line.

 

[Taylor]

I wonder if they will sign the contracts to build it, Australian companies purchase the materials to ready to build it, then it's cancelled and the materials end up dumped on the market cheap - killing businesses.

But if they do build it, huge boom for construction. So win some, lose some.

 

[its free real estate]

If Melbourne is going to be a city of 8 million in 20 years, this has to be built. Also, most of the suburbs inside this rail loop should be bulldozed and turned into apartments.

 

[cats2rise]

As someone working in the planning/Design/infrastructure space, the proposal is one of the most exciting.

Finally something progressive. Bold thinking. It’s what we need.

Looking forward to looking into the particulars (times, costs etc).

Happy to argue with anyone here that the proposal is a poor idea.

 

[Gralin]

It has the potential to really open up public transport for people that don't work in town, the cross suburb trip is one of the hardest to do on PT at the moment

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

and as per normal with Dan Andrews policies, it seems melbourne goes no further west than sunshine

I'm guessing you don't actually live anywhere near the west?

Or maybe not in Victoria at all? Australia?

It's called "V/Line".

 

[Fire]

Loving this announcement but can I ask why the issue with this?

There's very few reasons to bother with South Yarra given the cost. See if you can name one movement that is disadvantaged by no interchange that can't be fixed in one change of train. The only one I can think of is if you were on Sandringham line and wanted to go to domain. But you could still get off south Yarra and catch the no 8 tram from out the front. So not too bad. People need to get used to changing trains, with Melbourne Metro and now the outer loop.

I don't mean to derail the conversation (GET IT?!), but:

The entire sandringham line heading to domain as you say, but also the dandenong/cranbourne/future Roweville lines, which will require two unnecessary interchanges.
But more significantly,
Anyone on the dandenong/cranbourne/future Roweville lines that needs to stop at South Yarra (and vice versa), which is now and will continue to grow into a significant hub, with residential and office highrises sprouting up like weeds.
Basically its ripped Melbourne's busiest train line out of one of Melbourne busiest stations, when it passes right under it.

You can argue its only one interchange, but its unnecessary, and every interchange in a network matters as it makes them less desirable and puts cars on the road. This train station will need to be built, and soon, so its an utter waste of money to try and retroactively fit this station when it is inevitably built in five or ten years time.

In short, its a half arsed job.

 

[Admiral Byng]

I am interested in the cost, given all underground, Melb Metro is about $1 Billion per km, pro rata for this project would put it up towards $90 Billion. Might get a bit of a discount given its not all inner city, but still tunnels don't care if you're in the city or not. You would have to be planning to increase the job density massively around each of the hub stations for this to be worth it.

Shouldn't cost that much.

Under construction and nearing completion right now is the Forrestfield airport link in Perth. 8 km of tunnels (including a challenging part under the Swan River) for a total cost of $1.9B. Round that up to 2 bill and it still works out to about 1/4 of your estimate per km.

 

[Fire]

I am interested in the cost, given all underground, Melb Metro is about $1 Billion per km, pro rata for this project would put it up towards $90 Billion. Might get a bit of a discount given its not all inner city, but still tunnels don't care if you're in the city or not. You would have to be planning to increase the job density massively around each of the hub stations for this to be worth it.

Melbourne will have ~10 million people by the time this is built. The hubs will be built no matter what, building infrastructure like this will just make them livable.

 

[Rob R]

I'm guessing you don't actually live anywhere near the west?

Or maybe not in Victoria at all? Australia?

It's called "V/Line".

which runs into the city not up around the growth areas. guess you dont even live on this planet or are too dumb to understand a map.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

which runs into the city not up around the growth areas. guess you dont even live on this planet or are too dumb to understand a map.

Hahaahaha. I'm "too dumb to understand a map", am I?

Big words from someone who appears to understand neither maps, Melbourne, nor what railway stations are!

 

[Gralin]

Hahaahaha. I'm "too dumb to understand a map", am I?

Big words from someone who appears to understand neither maps, Melbourne, nor what railway stations are!

V/Line is not the same as Metro though is it

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

V/Line is not the same as Metro though is it

I'm not sure what you mean? Regional fares are different to Metropolitan? They both handle Myki for most journeys, if you were unaware of that.

To be nice and clear for out-of-towners, here's a map of train lines which is not to scale and completely distorts lines to fit them on the poster (e.g. see what the name is at the end of the line, then whack that into maps to understand how far it goes). Everything in the white area could be called 'metropolitan':

Or for those who want a more geographic depiction of some "growth areas", there's this map of the Regional Rail Link: