Toast I have faith in Ken Hinkley

[RussellEbertHandball]

Hey boys, i was watching the round so far on afl.com.au this morning and it said something about your players delivering it down low in the forward line so the eagles defenders couldn't mark it. I reckon this is a smart move by Hinkley and hopefully other teams start doing it now because it could be a good way to beat the eagles.

Its probably not Hinkley's plan as we have bombed it inside 50 for 4 years whilst he has been in control and since playing them at Adelaide oval, and McGovern and his mates just continually out mark or spoil our forwards from the big bomb to the forward line. Reckon Schofield might have had something to do with it, as he was a pretty good passer of the ball type outside mid player, rather than a bomb it to the shithouse type mid.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Its probably not Hinkley's plan as we have bombed it inside 50 for 4 years whilst he has been in control and since playing them at Adelaide oval, and McGovern and his mates just continually out mark or spoil our forwards from the big bomb to the forward line. Reckon Schofield might have had something to do with it, as he was a pretty good passer of the ball type outside mid player, rather than a bomb it to the shithouse type mid.

I was thinking about this today. I think it is also partially another adjustment as a result of 6-6-6.

In previous years that pulled kick into the forward line would have likely fallen into the lap of the +1 or onto the head of the deepest forward.

Now with no +1 and the FF starting from the square there is more space there to make that pulled kick much more effective.

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[RussellEbertHandball]

I was thinking about this today. I think it is also partially another adjustment as a result of 6-6-6.

In previous years that pulled kick into the forward line would have likely fallen into the lap of the +1 or onto the head of the deepest forward.

Now with no +1 and the FF starting from the square there is more space there to make that pulled kick much more effective.

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Their +1 defender was there when we had most of our 71 inside 50 entries.

We bombed the ball from every centre bounce in the last quarter and every other entry it seemed in the last quarter against Richmond. You cant avoid 100% bombing the ball, but you have to have a change in mindset to reduce it drastically from one game to another. That has nothing to do with 6-6-6.

The first centre bounce set the trend. Ollie got the ball and went inside 50 with a low kick towards Ryder.

 

[GoPorts]

Something has changed in the coaches box this year. The beating up on Gawn and forward entries against WCE show that the coaching group is definitely thinking smarter about how we play our opposition rather than the old hardery for longery approach of recent history. Shame we couldn't have made an adjustment during the last quarter against Richmond as we might be 4-1

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[Enviable Tradition]

Thire +1 defender was there when we had most of our 71 inside 50 entries.

We bombed the ball from every centre bounce in the last quarter and every other entry it seemed in the last quarter against Richmond. You cant avoid 100% bombing the ball, but you have to have a change in mindset to reduce it drastically from one game to another. That has nothing to do with 6-6-6.

The first centre bounce set the trend. Ollie got the ball and went inside 50 with a low kick towards Ryder.

Hence I said partially.

It was 6-6-6 at that first centre bounce

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[OneGreatClub]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Something has changed in the coaches box this year. The beating up on Gawn and forward entries against WCE show that the coaching group is definitely thinking smarter about how we play our opposition rather than the old hardery for longery approach of recent history. Shame we couldn't have made an adjustment during the last quarter against Richmond as we might be 4-1

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Gawn wasn't the coaches tactics, that was Lycett's info. Simpson used the tactics of using 2 rucks to jump into and wear down the 2 best ruckmen in the AFL, ie Gawn in the PF and then Grundy in the GF. That's why they have a flag.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Not sure if it's been posted in here, but Kane Cornes showed some pretty compelling vision after the West Coast game about how we repeatedly chaos balled it and avoided kicking it high to prevent being outmarked. Actually pretty good coaching I'd say, shows we spent a game thinking about inside 50s at the very least (rather than bombing it in like the Tigers game)

That was Lloyd.

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https://www.9now.com.au/afl-sunday-footy-show/2019/episode-5

 

[EskimoPAFC]

That was Lloyd.

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Actually I think it might have been both. They were both discussing it on AFL.com.au

(I can't view the Sunday Footy Show link as it's only available in Aus)

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Hence I said partially.

It was 6-6-6 at that first centre bounce

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Just saw the play I was thinking of on Footy Classified and it wasn't the first play as we had 1 pt on the board and Ollie kicked it long, 35-40m pass, but kept it low and hit Paddy Ryder on a lead. Paddy then missed the set shot.

 

[PAFC66]

Something has changed in the coaches box this year. The beating up on Gawn and forward entries against WCE show that the coaching group is definitely thinking smarter about how we play our opposition rather than the old hardery for longery approach of recent history. Shame we couldn't have made an adjustment during the last quarter against Richmond as we might be 4-1

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Yes something has changed. Ken has less say thank ****.

 

[Tibbs]

That was Lloyd.

Vision is from 26.10 minute mark. If you haven't signed up, you have to set up an account to get access to 9Now. You can do it via your facebook account.

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Cornes was on it first in the AFL review out on Sunday morning ..
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[PA88]

Yes something has changed. Ken has less say thank ****.

Or he's being schooled by better assistants.

 

[Janus]

Not sure if it's been posted in here, but Kane Cornes showed some pretty compelling vision after the West Coast game about how we repeatedly chaos balled it and avoided kicking it high to prevent being outmarked. Actually pretty good coaching I'd say, shows we spent a game thinking about inside 50s at the very least (rather than bombing it in like the Tigers game)

You mean the vision where we hit up targets inside 50 instead of bombing it in?

Kick by Wines - in the air to Ryder
Kick by Bonner - in the air to the hotspot
Kick by Byrne-Jones - in the air to the hotspot
Kick by Wines - in the air to Marshall
Kick by Ebert - in the air to a leading Westhoff

We had 12 marks inside 50, FFS. That's more than most teams take.

People are looking for some bullshit 'trick' to the game because they can't fathom how a team that they thought was going to be shit this year could possibly beat the reigning premiers in Perth. There was no trick. It was just good football.

Bombing the ball in when you're hemmed against the boundary line under pressure and don't have any idea where you are kicking it (and so can allow your opponent to switch the ball to the opposite wing and score an easy goal) is shit football.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You mean the vision where we hit up targets inside 50 instead of bombing it in?

Kick by Wines - in the air to Ryder
Kick by Bonner - in the air to the hotspot
Kick by Byrne-Jones - in the air to the hotspot
Kick by Wines - in the air to Marshall
Kick by Ebert - in the air to a leading Westhoff

We had 12 marks inside 50, FFS. That's more than most teams take.

People are looking for some bullshit 'trick' to the game because they can't fathom how a team that they thought was going to be shit this year could possibly beat the reigning premiers in Perth. There was no trick. It was just good football.

Bombing the ball in when you're hemmed against the boundary line under pressure and don't have any idea where you are kicking it (and so can allow your opponent to switch the ball to the opposite wing and score an easy goal) is shit football.

Yeah totally agree. We did a few chaos ball type entries, but most of the time we'd caught them out of position through our relentless pressure forcing turnovers, quick movement and a good forward setup that didn't allow their gun talls to control the aerial battle. We kicked to plenty of contests, but we kicked to contests where we had an advantage because of the above.

I've found it a bit funny to read this narrative this week that we've somehow unlocked West Coast by chaos balling in over and over again. That wasn't how the game played out, and adopting that method certainly won't work for every team if they don't do the other things we did.

 

[Janus]

Yeah totally agree. We did a few chaos ball type entries, but most of the time we'd caught them out of position through our relentless pressure forcing turnovers, quick movement and a good forward setup that didn't allow their gun talls to control the aerial battle. We kicked to plenty of contests, but we kicked to contests where we had an advantage because of the above.

I've found it a bit funny to read this narrative this week that we've somehow unlocked West Coast by chaos balling in over and over again. That wasn't how the game played out, and adopting that method certainly won't work for every team if they don't do the other things we did.

I'd expect us to play the way we did against West Coast against every side in the competition.

It was more about the fact that we would keep the pressure on them with attacking handballs that had purpose.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'd expect us to play the way we did against West Coast against every side in the competition.

It was more about the fact that we would keep the pressure on them with attacking handballs that had purpose.

Yep. It's quite fun to hear the crowd begin to get frustrated during our handball chains only for us to suddenly bust through the press and be kicking deep inside 50 with defenders scrambling.

We can play that style against every team and it'll beat every team if we do it well enough. I expect some teams to slow their ball movement to a chip around style to try to limit turnovers in transition, which is what Brisbane did. But that was a game we should have won anyway, and one where we didn't have all the pieces properly in place.

With the growing confidence of Howard and the solid play of the rest of our defence at both league and reserves level, we should be able to deal with that sort of movement as well, and we'll score enough from stoppages that it's probably not enough to beat us if we're on song anyway.

It's purely a case of us not getting in our own way in relation to selections, structure and mental and leadership lapses.

 

[Janus]

Yep. It's quite fun to hear the crowd begin to get frustrated during our handball chains only for us to suddenly bust through the press and be kicking deep inside 50 with defenders scrambling.

We can play that style against every team and it'll beat every team if we do it well enough. I expect some teams to slow their ball movement to a chip around style to try to limit turnovers in transition, which is what Brisbane did. But that was a game we should have won anyway, and one where we didn't have all the pieces properly in place.

With the growing confidence of Howard and the solid play of the rest of our defence at both league and reserves level, we should be able to deal with that sort of movement as well, and we'll score enough from stoppages that it's probably not enough to beat us if we're on song anyway.

It's purely a case of us not getting in our own way in relation to selections, structure and mental and leadership lapses.

That's where the full field defence comes into play. If we lock teams into lateral movement by pressing up the ground (which we didn't do in the first quarter against Brisbane and that's why they got out to a match winning lead), we can literally cut off any attacking thrust and force them to kick down the line to a contest that we just need to halve and bring the ball to ground.

If a team beats us playing this style, they were just a better team on the day. There's no weaknesses as long as everyone plays their role. The better we get at it, the less goals out the back we will concede. And then the good performances become great performances, the great performances are talked up by the media into legendary performances, until finally, the myth is what teams are playing against. Except the myth is based in reality, so even the strongest teams fear.

 

[El_Scorcho]

That's where the full field defence comes into play. If we lock teams into lateral movement by pressing up the ground (which we didn't do in the first quarter against Brisbane and that's why they got out to a match winning lead), we can literally cut off any attacking thrust and force them to kick down the line to a contest that we just need to halve and bring the ball to ground.

If a team beats us playing this style, they were just a better team on the day. There's no weaknesses as long as everyone plays their role. The better we get at it, the less goals out the back we will concede. And then the good performances become great performances, the great performances are talked up by the media into legendary performances, until finally, the myth is what teams are playing against. Except the myth is based in reality, so even the strongest teams fear.

Exactly, and clearances are finally a strength. We've been oddly playing for clearances despite not being an overly good clearance team for years, but with the addition of Lycett, the resurgence of Rockliff and Boak and the rise of Powell-Pepper, we're the best clearance team in the league at the moment.

 

[PowerLil]

Exactly, and clearances are finally a strength. We've been oddly playing for clearances despite not being an overly good clearance team for years, but with the addition of Lycett, the resurgence of Rockliff and Boak and the rise of Powell-Pepper, we're the best clearance team in the league at the moment.

Good midfield coach maybe?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Good midfield coach maybe?

Probably the key factor, but a number of other things surrounding it have helped.

Imagine if Lycett hadn't forced a move home, for example.

 

[PowerLil]

Probably the key factor, but a number of other things surrounding it have helped.

Imagine if Lycett hadn't forced a move home, for example.

Agree, however Ryder's no mug in the ruck.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Agree, however Ryder's no mug in the ruck.

When he's fit, absolutely. But that was less and less frequent. Part of our strength now is that we lose basically nothing when we swap to our second ruck, where as the drop down to Westhoff or Dixon was significant.

We're basically back in the Lade/Brogan glory days

 

[OneGreatClub]

Exactly, and clearances are finally a strength. We've been oddly playing for clearances despite not being an overly good clearance team for years, but with the addition of Lycett, the resurgence of Rockliff and Boak and the rise of Powell-Pepper, we're the best clearance team in the league at the moment.

Scott said the clearances is going to be a massive focus for his team tonight. Will see if they are able to pull it off.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Good midfield coach maybe?

Coach and personnel I reckon