Opinion Sack Hinkley 11 - Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest

[ClintEastwood]

I'm not going to go into details, but one thing Carr wants to re-establish in the Club from a culture perspective is taking the sterility out of the footy department and foster an environment where the Club's coaches and players are embracing the history and high expectations that come with playing for the Port Adelaide Football Club.

I know you can't elaborate, but I hope part of that is having some players mix with the supporters in the bar after games, win or lose, like they always used to. I've always felt that immediate feedback, be it love or tough love, is one thing that helped Port be a great club for a century. I hope there can be a place for it in this sterile era.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Chewy316, presumably you and your source know the answer to this question. Practically, what does sacking Hinkley actually look like? Which person or which group of people make the call? If it's a group does it need to be unanimous? What happens if the rest of the board want him gone but Koch wants him to stay?

 

[Powerade 08]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, Chewy, but is there a possibility that Josh isn’t the coach, and if so, will there be a national search for a new coach, or is there anyone waiting in the wings that will be headhunted, or will Josh undoubtedly be our next coach?

Theres going to be an international search

 

[Us against the rest]

I don't believe that if the players love and want Hinkley to coach next season, they would put in the most inept performance of their season in week 1 of the finals.
Imo they want him gone almost as much as we do.
Sack Hinkley.

 

[Macca19]

The biggest travesty in all this is that all of this makes it that much harder for anyone who takes over. They now have a massive reputation of finals capitulations to work against.

Like the playing group after 119, this playing group could be similarly broken now

 

[Us against the rest]

The next business day after Hinkley is gone I will take up membership again.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Like the playing group after 119, this playing group could be similarly broken now

You can only go to the well so many times. I was at the 07 Grand Final and tonight wasn’t far off it believe me.

 

[Us against the rest]

The next coach will have to change a losing soft selfish culture created by Hinkley, Davies and the weakest link Richardson. This doesn't happen over night so it will be a trying time for all, us included.
The new coach will have a handful of players to build a winning team around, JHF, MG, Bergman and Butters if they stick around. It could get messy.

Sack Hinkley.

 

[JimmyBC]

Gained absolutely no ground on Geelong in his entire tenure

 

[PAFC66]

More oppo fans posting in here than us is crazy

I think most of us don't care anymore. There's nothing more you can say. The place is ****ed.

 

[gbear]

The next coach will have to change a losing soft selfish culture created by Hinkley, Davies and the weakest link Richardson. This doesn't happen over night so it will be a trying time for all, us included.
The new coach will have a handful of players to build a winning team around, JHF, MG, Bergman and Butters if they stick around. It could get messy.

Sack Hinkley.

Best to do this before Tasmania joins the comp.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Theres going to be an international search

In le couloir

 

[PAFC66]

Remember after chocco was sacked the message from the top was the club needed to be nicer and more humble.

This has served us well. We are one of the softest clubs in the competition and have been for decades now.

 

[Us against the rest]

More oppo fans posting in here than us is crazy

The horrible truth is they're right.

Our loser club shit the bed again, pretenders.

 

[Us against the rest]

Best to do this before Tasmania joins the comp.

We will need to get a shuffle on then.
Sack him asap.

 

[Chewy316]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, Chewy, but is there a possibility that Josh isn’t the coach, and if so, will there be a national search for a new coach, or is there anyone waiting in the wings that will be headhunted, or will Josh undoubtedly be our next coach?

I can't imagine a scenario in which Carr is not the next senior coach of the Club.
I know that people want to see an external search occur - and I completely understand the logic in that. I also know how highly regarded Carr is within AFL circles. He knocked back Richmond when he had that job - and he knocked back West Coast when he was I'm told, favourite for that job as well.

I know you can't elaborate, but I hope part of that is having some players mix with the supporters in the bar after games, win or lose, like they always used to. I've always felt that immediate feedback, be it love or tough love, is one thing that helped Port be a great club for a century. I hope there can be a place for it in this sterile era.

I don't think we'll ever see an environment again where the players front up to the front bar after a game.

Chewy316, presumably you and your source know the answer to this question. Practically, what does sacking Hinkley actually look like? Which person or which group of people make the call? If it's a group does it need to be unanimous? What happens if the rest of the board want him gone but Koch wants him to stay?

This is a really good question.

Practically, there are a few ways that this can play out. I'm not going to go into all of them, but for the purpose of this exercise, let's assume they bow out in straight sets next week.

I have long said that if he were to leave it would be a mutual parting of ways. The Club are not going to publicly humiliate Ken on the way out. It's just not a good business decision (although it would please many bloodthirsty fans).

Then comes the payout. He's got one year left on his deal and I'm pretty certain he also has a trigger for a one-year extension should the Club win a flag this year or next. To my knowledge, the Club is only responsible for paying out 2025 on his contract - not any potential trigger year. If West Coast come for Hinkley, that would potentially reduce any payout in 2025 to zero.

The people who are going to make the final decision on Hinkley is the Footy Committee. This consists of Richo, Cardone, Cassisi, Snowdon, Tredrea, Cripps and CD (I think that's all of them, if I've missed anyone I apologise as it's late and I'm exhausted). I'll be frank when I say I don't know if the decision to sack Ken would need to be unanimous. I know that there are people on that committee (key word being "people") that want Ken gone yesterday. So if they keep him for 2025 it certainly won't be a unanimous decision. Based on what I've been told over the course of this season, I would expect that if Hinkley is sacked, the decision would be a unanimous one both publicly and privately. Granted, I haven't spoken to everyone on the Footy Committee though, so I can't tell you with the utmost certainty of what's going on in their minds.

Once the Footy Committee make a decision on Ken, it then goes to the Board who ratifies the decision. It is essentially a rubber stamp exercise.

As for Koch - he's not going to get involved in the decision outside of rubber stamping the decision made by the Committee. I know David is an easy target for us all, but to his credit, he leaves footy decisions to be made by footy people - he knows how to stay in his lane in that regard. He no doubt has an opinion on what's going on with Ken - and I am not going to speak for David on the matter because that's not my place, but I know how desperate he is to win a premiership, and I can't envisage a scenario anymore in which anyone can rightly think that Ken is the right person to achieve that feat in 2025 at the Club as its senior coach.

Once Ken is gone I'll have more to share on why I've been so bullish the last few months - but for now let's just let this play out for the time being. I just hope the playing list isn't scarred from performances like tonight just like they were after the 2007 Grand Final.

 

[imagoo]

No way that Dixon was fit to play tonight and no way he was out last game due to illness. The big question is - was Butters injured pre-game too? Lets face it, he's a repeat offender.

He was sick, was coughing on the early flight back from Perth.

 

[Rendaw]

Carr has a lot of different ideas as to how the Club's footy department should be run. If he gets the job as expected, it will be a very good thing.

I'm not going to go into details, but one thing Carr wants to re-establish in the Club from a culture perspective is taking the sterility out of the footy department and foster an environment where the Club's coaches and players are embracing the history and high expectations that come with playing for the Port Adelaide Football Club.

We will be in fine hands with him running the show.

What about the club sanctioned attacks on fans? There need to be some serious changes in the way the club talk to and treats their fans. Iv never experienced anything like it in any of the other sports I follow

 

[ClintEastwood]

Love to hear how Gerard on 360 spins this one, somehow slagging off the supporter base and players without smearing his beloved Kenneth.

Smug little weasel.

 

[longdonkey]

Gained absolutely no ground on Geelong in his entire tenure

When you think that another club is better than yours you are mentally beaten before you start so of course nothing has changed.

 

[Powerade 08]

I know David is an easy target for us all, but to his credit, he leaves footy decisions to be made by footy people

He does not deserve credit for anything. What kind of football committee is Richo, Cardone, Cassisi, Davies? Ransom might as well be on it too

 

[KrispyKremeMullanikka]

I can't imagine a scenario in which Carr is not the next senior coach of the Club.
I know that people want to see an external search occur - and I completely understand the logic in that. I also know how highly regarded Carr is within AFL circles. He knocked back Richmond when he had that job - and he knocked back West Coast when he was I'm told, favourite for that job as well.



I don't think we'll ever see an environment again where the players front up to the front bar after a game.



This is a really good question.

Practically, there are a few ways that this can play out. I'm not going to go into all of them, but for the purpose of this exercise, let's assume they bow out in straight sets next week.

I have long said that if he were to leave it would be a mutual parting of ways. The Club are not going to publicly humiliate Ken on the way out. It's just not a good business decision (although it would please many bloodthirsty fans).

Then comes the payout. He's got one year left on his deal and I'm pretty certain he also has a trigger for a one-year extension should the Club win a flag this year or next. To my knowledge, the Club is only responsible for paying out 2025 on his contract - not any potential trigger year. If West Coast come for Hinkley, that would potentially reduce any payout in 2025 to zero.

The people who are going to make the final decision on Hinkley is the Footy Committee. This consists of Richo, Cardone, Cassisi, Snowdon, Tredrea, Cripps and CD (I think that's all of them, if I've missed anyone I apologise as it's late and I'm exhausted). I'll be frank when I say I don't know if the decision to sack Ken would need to be unanimous. I know that there are people on that committee (key word being "people") that want Ken gone yesterday. So if they keep him for 2025 it certainly won't be a unanimous decision. Based on what I've been told over the course of this season, I would expect that if Hinkley is sacked, the decision would be a unanimous one both publicly and privately. Granted, I haven't spoken to everyone on the Footy Committee though, so I can't tell you with the utmost certainty of what's going on in their minds.

Once the Footy Committee make a decision on Ken, it then goes to the Board who ratifies the decision. It is essentially a rubber stamp exercise.

As for Koch - he's not going to get involved in the decision outside of rubber stamping the decision made by the Committee. I know David is an easy target for us all, but to his credit, he leaves footy decisions to be made by footy people - he knows how to stay in his lane in that regard. He no doubt has an opinion on what's going on with Ken - and I am not going to speak for David on the matter because that's not my place, but I know how desperate he is to win a premiership, and I can't envisage a scenario anymore in which anyone can rightly think that Ken is the right person to achieve that feat in 2025 at the Club as its senior coach.

Once Ken is gone I'll have more to share on why I've been so bullish the last few months - but for now let's just let this play out for the time being. I just hope the playing list isn't scarred from performances like tonight just like they were after the 2007 Grand Final.

Thanks for the insight and answering my question Chewy316 mate and also great question by Schulzenfest

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, Chewy, but is there a possibility that Josh isn’t the coach, and if so, will there be a national search for a new coach, or is there anyone waiting in the wings that will be headhunted, or will Josh undoubtedly be our next coach?

At this stage there simply must be.

I like what Chewy says about Carr but to promote another internal appointment without a proper search after so many years of yes men and same shit would be stupid.

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[tribey]

 

[Us against the rest]

At this stage it's one step at a time approach, getting rid of Hinkley comes first, hopefully by all reports Davies will be gone also. As long as those two in particular go we can start believing again. Richardson is just a weak puppet so nothing to worry about there.