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amazingjoshy said:


Announced it on this
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That’s a real shame, the podcast won’t be the same without him.

Occasionally let his Freo biases show but overall was one of the more insightful WA journos. I certainly enjoyed a lot of his takes and insights.

Hope he’s not done with journalism altogether and that he continues elsewhere.
 
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From SEN’s ‘First Division Destination Clubs’

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Now a couple of things.

1. WCE has never been a ‘destination club’ on account of the club priding itself on drafting and retaining its own players. Sure, we got Tim Kelly that one time (and will always be reminded of that I’m sure), but in a similar time frame Fremantle have put out numerous welcome mats for numerous saviours - this year it’s Luke Jackson, not that long ago it was Jesse Hogan and many more before him.

2. I could cop ‘it’s the right place and right time to play for Fremantle’ on account of them building a great side and having a good season but they literally had 5 players request trades since the end of their season - Darcy Tucker being the only one they were packing bags for.
 

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Truckosaurus said:
Sounds like you believe in never
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Monday was a watershed day for the national competition, and not in a good way. Inside the space of a few hours, three top-three picks from the last four national drafts were traded back to their respective hometowns. Izak Rankine, pick No.3 in 2018, moved from Gold Coast to Adelaide. Luke Jackson, pick three the following year, was traded from Melbourne to Fremantle. And of course, Jason Horne-Francis, at North Melbourne for less than a year after being drafted at pick No.1 in 2021, traded to Port Adelaide on a six-year deal.
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Didn't want to go back a week in time and to 2016 in draft-time to include another top 3-pick who happened to be going back to Victoria...

At least Cherny mentions Taranto (and Cerra) later on, but not without 4 mentions for JHF and 2 each for Rankine and Jackson.
 
The Passenger said:



Didn't want to go back a week in time and to 2016 in draft-time to include another top 3-pick who happened to be going back to Victoria...

At least Cherny mentions Taranto (and Cerra) later on, but not without 4 mentions for JHF and 2 each for Rankine and Jackson.
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I would love to see a journalist do a breakdown on the movement of players taken in the draft since the expansion clubs came in

•Where players were drafted from and to
• How many stayed at their original club
• Of those that left where did they go to

All broken down by state and club

It’d take some work but it’d be an interesting read
 
Keys said:
I would love to see a journalist do a breakdown on the movement of players taken in the draft since the expansion clubs came in

•Where players were drafted from and to
• How many stayed at their original club
• Of those that left where did they go to

All broken down by state and club

It’d take some work but it’d be an interesting read
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Sounds like something Ryan Buckland would sink his teeth into
 
Keys said:
I would love to see a journalist do a breakdown on the movement of players taken in the draft since the expansion clubs came in

•Where players were drafted from and to
• How many stayed at their original club
• Of those that left where did they go to

All broken down by state and club

It’d take some work but it’d be an interesting read
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It's not that hard to research. I pulled this together in after the Taranto goes home rumours started when the Tigers were eliminated:

Code: 
Geelong
2012 - Josh Caddy (Pick 7 2010)
2015 - Zac Smith (pre-entry zone selection)
2020 - Jeremy Cameron (pre-entry zone selection)
2022 - Tanner Bruhn (Pick 12 2020)
2022 - Jack Bowes (Pick 10 2016)

Hawthorn
2014 - Jonathan O'Rourke (Pick 2 2012)
2016 - Jaeger O'Meara (Pick 1 2011 mini-draft)
2018 - Jack Scrimshaw (Pick 7 2016)
2019 - Jonathon Patton (Pick 1 2011)

Carlton
2014 - Kristian Jaksch (Pick 12 2012)
2015 - Lachie Plowman (Pick 3 2012)
2016 - Caleb Marchbank (Pick 6 2014)
2016 - Jarrod Pickett (Pick 4 2016)
2017 - Matthew Kennedy (Pick 13 2015)
2018 - Will Setterfield (Pick 5 2016)

Melbourne
2013 - Dom Tyson (Pick 2 2011)
2015 - Tomas Bugg (pre-entry zone selection)
2018 - Steven May (pre-entry zone selection)
2018 - Kade Kolodjashnij (Pick 5 2013)

Western Bulldogs
2014 - Tom Boyd (Pick 1 2013)

Fremantle
2015 - Harley Bennell (Pick 2 2010)
2016 - Cam McCarty (Pick 14 2013)
2017 - Brandon Matera (pre-entry zone selection)
2017 - Nathan Wilson (pre-entry zone selection)
2021 - Will Brodie (Pick 9 2016)

Port Adelaide
2015 - Charlie Dixon (pre-entry zone selection)

Collingwood
2013 - Taylor Adams (Pick 13 2011)
2015 - Adam Treloar (pre-entry zone selection)
2016 - Will Hoskin-Elliott (Pick 4 2011)

Richmond
2015 - Jacob Townsend (pre-entry zone selection)
2016 - Dion Prestia (Pick 9 2010)
2022 - Tim Taranto (Pick 2 2016)
2022 - Jacob Hopper (Pick 7 2015)

Adelaide
2015 - Curtly Hampton (pre-entry zone selection)
2022 - Izak Rankine (Pick 3 2018)

North Melbourne
2016 - Paul Ahern (Pick 7 2014)
2019 - Aiden Bonar (Pick 11 2017)

Essendon
2017 - Devon Smith (Pick 14 2011)
2018 - Dylan Shiel (pre-entry zone selection)
2020 - Peter Wright (Pick 8 2014)
2020 - Jye Caldwell (Pick 11 2018)

Brisbane
2019 - Callum Ah Chee (Pick 8 2015)

It's just first rounders or near equivalent, but it wouldn't be much to extend to all other picks and clubs. The info is easily available on wikipedia.

A random factoid I found interesting when looking it up: the pick used by GWS for Jye Caldwell was originally owned by Essendon, the club he was eventually traded to.
 
Keys said:
I would love to see a journalist do a breakdown on the movement of players taken in the draft since the expansion clubs came in

•Where players were drafted from and to
• How many stayed at their original club
• Of those that left where did they go to

All broken down by state and club

It’d take some work but it’d be an interesting read
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Agree. It might shine a light on whether e.g. GWS or GC are just 'nursery clubs' - it'll be interesting to see how long GWS hang onto this years no.1 pick up for example. And who are the beneficiaries if he leaves.

It would also be interesting to see how many WA players stay or not in WA. I'm guessing more WA players (pro rata) don't return to WA than say Vic players not returning to Vic.

Maybe it's my natural anti-Vic bias but I think for every Buddy or Dusty who don't like the public life being in 'footy central' there are probably way way more who do – including non-Vics?

Such trends might inform some rule changes on the draft so as to ensure equity.
 
Grahame said:
Agree. It might shine a light on whether e.g. GWS or GC are just 'nursery clubs' - it'll be interesting to see how long GWS hang onto this years no.1 pick up for example. And who are the beneficiaries if he leaves.

It would also be interesting to see how many WA players stay or not in WA. I'm guessing more WA players (pro rata) don't return to WA than say Vic players not returning to Vic.

Maybe it's my natural anti-Vic bias but I think for every Buddy or Dusty who don't like the public life being in 'footy central' there are probably way way more who do – including non-Vics?

Such trends might inform some rule changes on the draft so as to ensure equity.
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Lots of kids dream of moving to the 'big city', be it Melbourne/Sydney, London or New York. West Aussies going to Melbourne are far more likely to embrace the experience than Melburnians coming to Perth or Adelaide.
 
JackOutback said:
Lots of kids dream of moving to the 'big city', be it Melbourne/Sydney, London or New York. West Aussies going to Melbourne are far more likely to embrace the experience than Melburnians coming to Perth or Adelaide.
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I think that may have been true 10 years ago. Have you been to Melbourne lately?
 
JackOutback said:
Lots of kids dream of moving to the 'big city', be it Melbourne/Sydney, London or New York. West Aussies going to Melbourne are far more likely to embrace the experience than Melburnians coming to Perth or Adelaide.
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Geelong is definitely not Melbourne but it seems to be a real destination club - partly for the lifestyle mix of country, beach and some city.

I think WA clubs suffer greatly from the travel. Must be a killer. (Another hobby horse of mine - play two games on each trip to/from WA and so halve the travel.)
 
Agent93 said:
It's not that hard to research. I pulled this together in after the Taranto goes home rumours started when the Tigers were eliminated:

Code: 
Geelong
2012 - Josh Caddy (Pick 7 2010)
2015 - Zac Smith (pre-entry zone selection)
2020 - Jeremy Cameron (pre-entry zone selection)
2022 - Tanner Bruhn (Pick 12 2020)
2022 - Jack Bowes (Pick 10 2016)

Hawthorn
2014 - Jonathan O'Rourke (Pick 2 2012)
2016 - Jaeger O'Meara (Pick 1 2011 mini-draft)
2018 - Jack Scrimshaw (Pick 7 2016)
2019 - Jonathon Patton (Pick 1 2011)

Carlton
2014 - Kristian Jaksch (Pick 12 2012)
2015 - Lachie Plowman (Pick 3 2012)
2016 - Caleb Marchbank (Pick 6 2014)
2016 - Jarrod Pickett (Pick 4 2016)
2017 - Matthew Kennedy (Pick 13 2015)
2018 - Will Setterfield (Pick 5 2016)

Melbourne
2013 - Dom Tyson (Pick 2 2011)
2015 - Tomas Bugg (pre-entry zone selection)
2018 - Steven May (pre-entry zone selection)
2018 - Kade Kolodjashnij (Pick 5 2013)

Western Bulldogs
2014 - Tom Boyd (Pick 1 2013)

Fremantle
2015 - Harley Bennell (Pick 2 2010)
2016 - Cam McCarty (Pick 14 2013)
2017 - Brandon Matera (pre-entry zone selection)
2017 - Nathan Wilson (pre-entry zone selection)
2021 - Will Brodie (Pick 9 2016)

Port Adelaide
2015 - Charlie Dixon (pre-entry zone selection)

Collingwood
2013 - Taylor Adams (Pick 13 2011)
2015 - Adam Treloar (pre-entry zone selection)
2016 - Will Hoskin-Elliott (Pick 4 2011)

Richmond
2015 - Jacob Townsend (pre-entry zone selection)
2016 - Dion Prestia (Pick 9 2010)
2022 - Tim Taranto (Pick 2 2016)
2022 - Jacob Hopper (Pick 7 2015)

Adelaide
2015 - Curtly Hampton (pre-entry zone selection)
2022 - Izak Rankine (Pick 3 2018)

North Melbourne
2016 - Paul Ahern (Pick 7 2014)
2019 - Aiden Bonar (Pick 11 2017)

Essendon
2017 - Devon Smith (Pick 14 2011)
2018 - Dylan Shiel (pre-entry zone selection)
2020 - Peter Wright (Pick 8 2014)
2020 - Jye Caldwell (Pick 11 2018)

Brisbane
2019 - Callum Ah Chee (Pick 8 2015)

It's just first rounders or near equivalent, but it wouldn't be much to extend to all other picks and clubs. The info is easily available on wikipedia.

A random factoid I found interesting when looking it up: the pick used by GWS for Jye Caldwell was originally owned by Essendon, the club he was eventually traded to.
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Keys said:
I would love to see a journalist do a breakdown on the movement of players taken in the draft since the expansion clubs came in

•Where players were drafted from and to
• How many stayed at their original club
• Of those that left where did they go to

All broken down by state and club

It’d take some work but it’d be an interesting read
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Could probably extrapolate it off here relatively easily.

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Big_Birdy said:
I think that may have been true 10 years ago. Have you been to Melbourne lately?
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COVID had an impact but as we move on from that, we will return to situation normal.

West Coast have a good story to sell, great beaches, golf courses etc, chance to buy a big house with a backyard, things that should appeal to kids looking to have fun and set themselves up for life. Hell, show them the price of a flight to Bali while we're at it.
 
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