Intra-Club Match - 8/2/13 - Reviews

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I dunno Sco, I was asked if there was any good run from the backline and I mentioned a play I saw, Spice chimed in saying that such a play was a "worry" and further assumed that no one kicked the footy in the whole play, whereas I think the play was set up with a long kick from the pocket to a bloke peeling off from hb who had runners in support. the idea that one play in a full game is one play too many seems a little over the top to me, surely if there is a paddock in front of a 3 on two in thier favour and no one presenting up then the logical thing to do is take odvantage of the local numerical superiority to run the ball rather than kick to a contest where the extra oppo defender is back creating an 3 on 2 in the oppositions favour down the ground?

I can't really understand what you mean when you say "a bit more emphasis" on skill coming out of the back half if you take one play in isolation in the praccy match as an indication that there is not enough emphasis. There was plenty of kicking out of defence to players up the ground too, but when you have a team where all the talent and experience is down one end you are going to have situations arise.

A good defence needs to balance a lot of things, defensive accountability is important, long kicking to advantage is important too, but run and carry is also important, in fact the side that won the 2012 Premiership had by far the most run and carry out of the back line of any club that year.

Anyway, I don;t want to get into a big thing about it, I saw a quater of footy on the weekend and the most eciting attacking play I saw was a long switch of play from the back pocket to the fat side by foot to a three on two that was taken the length of the ground for a goal by a side that had a weaker midfield and front six but a far superior defence. I liked it, and if I saw it at AFL level I would be jumping out of my seat to applaud, not shaking my head with "worry".

I agree our defence was too offensive at the expense of defensive accountability last year, and our midfield too, but the play I saw was exactly the right kind of offensive play from the back six, not showboating, not risky, just aggressively taking advantage of a situation on the ground that gave a structural advantage to the defenders on that side of the ground.
 

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I'm with Spicey on the ball movement out of the back half.

I've never seen a player or group of players out run a kicked footy I can understand that it builds cohesion and such, but with a number of players committed to the play all it takes is one turnover and you're burned. Also carrying the ball too far leads to opposition peeling off and clogging up space further afield as well as forwards mistiming their leads. It can work in an intra club match, but I'm less convinced about the real thing.

I'd much rather a Ben Reid 50-60 metre sizzler to Clinton Young on wing/ half back who delivers another 50-60 metre bomb to a one out Cloke ala the goal from a kick in against GWS last year.
Won a flag and most of 2011 with run out of defence and that triangle one two three possession footy in a close contested situation ( not sure if anyone has noticed or brought it up the stuff Didak does a lot where he handballs and receives from a stationary player ) that keepings off style that does not allow the opposition a chance to get the ball back.
 
Can't stand when supporters always yell out " Kick it long" or "Why didn't he kick it??" Yes kick it long when there is nobody down the field or clearly we are out numbered and watch it come sailing twice as fast back over his head. o_O
 
I can't really understand what you mean when you say "a bit more emphasis" on skill coming out of the back half if you take one play in isolation in the praccy match as an indication that there is not enough emphasis. There was plenty of kicking out of defence to players up the ground too, but when you have a team where all the talent and experience is down one end you are going to have situations arise.

A good defence needs to balance a lot of things, defensive accountability is important, long kicking to advantage is important too, but run and carry is also important, in fact the side that won the 2012 Premiership had by far the most run and carry out of the back line of any club that year.

Maybe I could have explained it better then. I said that we need a balance of both, however I would prefer more emphasis on skill than run so something like a 60-40 split. Obviously the moment dictates how the play opens up in many circumstances, but IMO it isn't often enough to ultimately decide ball movement. I'll leave it at that though because we haven't got a big enough sample size either way.
 
Maybe I could have explained it better then. I said that we need a balance of both, however I would prefer more emphasis on skill than run so something like a 60-40 split. Obviously the moment dictates how the play opens up in many circumstances, but IMO it isn't often enough to ultimately decide ball movement. I'll leave it at that though because we haven't got a big enough sample size either way.

yeah that was pretty much my point too, the praccy match just didn't really provide a lot of insight into the "style" we will be adopting this year simply because it was best defence on best attack and most of the players where just trying to be competitive and play good basic footy. I imagine that the strategic and tactical stuff gets a lot more of a showing in full ground match sim where the coaches can stop the play, reposition people, and restart a stoppage with the players knowing what is demanded. Probably in the praccy match it was more along the lines of get out there, shake of the cobwebs, get a bit of run in your legs and play basic footy because whichever side your on transition is going to be hampered by the imbalance of the team.
 
I don't think hudson will get a spot unless jolly goes down with an LTI
+1 I can really see Witts and Grundy being enough cover to allow Jolly a rest once a month if thats what he needs - if their development continues & Grundy recovers from his injury as well as the Q-Stick to not need Huddo in the seniors.
 

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Can't stand when supporters always yell out " Kick it long" or "Why didn't he kick it??" Yes kick it long when there is nobody down the field or clearly we are out numbered and watch it come sailing twice as fast back over his head. o_O

LOL mate this absolutely shits me
im in the MCC so the play is almost on the wing/hbf
so many times we have the ball and there is absolutely no one down the line except opposition players
so we go sideways or backwards or we handball......(as we should)
then u hear moronic supporters absolutely losing there shit......kick it long....
hello....can u not look 50m downfield and see opposition numbers
FFS these people may as well watch the game on tv if they dont look downfield
flipping morons drives me crazy
especially when u get into an argument with them, no offence to older people but these morons are usually 65+
 
LOL mate this absolutely shits me
im in the MCC so the play is almost on the wing/hbf
so many times we have the ball and there is absolutely no one down the line except opposition players
so we go sideways or backwards or we handball......(as we should)
then u hear moronic supporters absolutely losing there shit......kick it long....
hello....can u not look 50m downfield and see opposition numbers
FFS these people may as well watch the game on tv if they dont look downfield
flipping morons drives me crazy
especially when u get into an argument with them, no offence to older people but these morons are usually 65+

Oh that last sentence is so accurate, surrounded by people of the older demographic (no offence intended), the cries of kick it long absolutely drive me crazy. These are the same people that go nuts when the ball is kicked long and eventually turned over. In the age of zone defences, box formations etc etc sometimes backwards and sideways kicks are needed!

Does my head in. Had to get that off my chest
 
The problem is, if Jolly misses 2-3 games and we need Hudson, we need to be able to select him. If we don't promote Hudson early, we'll have a spot for him free to be promoted.

I think if jolly misses 2/3 then we play witts/grundy with lynch.

If we REALLY need him then he can play a few games without being promoted, and we can move someone to our LTI list to free up another promotable rookie spot too.

Provided Jolly is reasonably healthy, i think a mooney/frost/dywer/martin can add far more to our team.
 
I think if jolly misses 2/3 then we play witts/grundy with lynch.

If we REALLY need him then he can play a few games without being promoted, and we can move someone to our LTI list to free up another promotable rookie spot too.

Provided Jolly is reasonably healthy, i think a mooney/frost/dywer/martin can add far more to our team.
Huddo is really just a last ditch insurance job - very clever actually - while getting the young rucks in hand and taught how to be animals - and he will certainly know that.
 
I think if jolly misses 2/3 then we play witts/grundy with lynch.

If we REALLY need him then he can play a few games without being promoted, and we can move someone to our LTI list to free up another promotable rookie spot too.

Provided Jolly is reasonably healthy, i think a mooney/frost/dywer/martin can add far more to our team.
I just don't think it's going to happen that way. IMO Hudson will play a few games throughout the year to give Jolly a rest, rather than fill in once jolly is run down/injured. Grundy hasn't played a game of AFL and is already injured, Witts is learning the ropes and in an important game I don't think the club could expect too much from him. That's the way I see it anyway.
 
I guess if Witts has a solid NAB cup then they may choose to keep Hudson on ice.
However if Witts doesn't come up quickly, then they will promote Hudson.
I believe they must nominate the 2 rookies to be promoted before end March?
 

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