Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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Play nicely, all.

 

[QuietB]

But the Ethiopians don't want it. The Jews did, got aided by the allies in stealing what they see to be theirs, and now it's theirs, just like California, Texas etc. is the USA's.

Gaza is not theirs. The West Bank is not theirs.

Just like Ukraine is not Russia’s. Just like Kuwait is not Iraq’s.

I guess we pick and choose when to go though

 

[DangerousD]

I said why aren't the Ummah helping their fellow members as instructed in their Quran?

So Egypt not taking them helps who, the Ummah?

I just disagree with you, to me people are more important than land.


Maybe the muslim Palestinians can just accept that their former land was stolen just like the Mexicans have accepted that the USA stole Mexican land, why isn't that an option? It would stop "Israel's" expansion plans, at least until the next muslim group aid "Israel" with their expansion plans.

Are the US still seizing and encroaching on Mexican land? I haven’t seen any settler violence where Americans are pushing in to Mexico, you’re also leaving out that Mexico is a big country, its a lot easier to accept when you’re not being squeezed in to the ocean.

 

[Tiger 79]

Are the US still seizing and encroaching on Mexican land? I haven’t seen any settler violence where Americans are pushing in to Mexico, you’re also leaving out that Mexico is a big country, its a lot easier to accept when you’re not being squeezed in to the ocean.

But California, Texas etc. were never USA lands when stolen, so what happened to the Mexicans was way worse than what's happened to Palestine.

If you accept the Mexican land theft then it is a possibilty that your pro-Palestine stance could be because you're an antisemite?

To me the Jews are just looking for ways to get back what they see as theirs, it started with theft aided by the allies, and the rest will be reclaimed through this war that Hamas started, but are Hamas in the state of "Israel's" pocket? When I figure that out I'll let you all know.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

But California, Texas etc. were never USA lands when stolen, so what happened to the Mexicans was way worse than what's happened to Palestine.

If you accept the Mexican land theft then it is a possibilty that your pro-Palestine stance could be because you're an antisemite?

To me the Jews are just looking for ways to get back what they see as theirs, it started with theft aided by the allies, and the rest will be reclaimed through this war that Hamas started, but are Hamas in the state of "Israel's" pocket? When I figure that out I'll let you all know.

Was the Mexican land theft live streamed in high definition to our phones?

Have you been posting in the Mexican land theft thread?

 

[Tiger 79]

Was the Mexican land theft live streamed in high definition to our phones?

No. Maybe don't watch the live streams and then nothing is happening? I don't watch any of it.

Have you been posting in the Mexican land theft thread?

Maybe their should be one, we can talk about the USA and their experience in the art of theft, and how they're not in any position to tell the state of "Israel" to stop with their expansion plans?

 

[Werewolf]

Does Israel's soccer team kick as many own goals as their govt and military?

 

[Blue1980]

No. Maybe don't watch the live streams and then nothing is happening? I don't watch any of it.

Maybe their should be one, we can talk about the USA and their experience in the art of theft, and how they're not in any position to tell the state of "Israel" to stop with their expansion plans?

Fine then, the US & allies can stop funding Israel and leave them alone to go on with their expansion plans.

I’m sure Israel will go just fine

 

[Freomaniac]

Would anyone agree with me that trying to kill all the Hamas is like all us holier-than-thou-know-everything-westerners trying to kill all the Taliban?

those taliban troops are hard to beat. No country or empire has conquered Afghanistan.

British have tried and failed, Russians/ Soviets tried and failed, USA has tried and failed too

 

[Freomaniac]

The only serious dent in Hamas numbers can come if we help Israel drop another 15,000 indiscriminate bombs on cities in Gaza.
Then who are we going to help get rid of next?
I like the idea of going into Yemen after the Houthis. I don't have anything against them, I just find them annoying, so we should kill them all.

yeah Yemen have their own civil war too.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran is like the middle eastern cold war.

Saudi Arabia is funding one group of Yemen troops, Iran is funding another group of them too

 

[Freomaniac]

We barrack for the USA. Unconditionally. So whoever they say.

Cant we barrack for Canada instead?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

No. Maybe don't watch the live streams and then nothing is happening? I don't watch any of it.

Maybe their should be one, we can talk about the USA and their experience in the art of theft, and how they're not in any position to tell the state of "Israel" to stop with their expansion plans?

You should stop watching this thread.

 

[Boston tiger]

Because they keep stealing land. They take more and more of it each month. Are you really that simple minded?

Just live under a dome and hope.

 

[Boston tiger]

Because they keep stealing land. They take more and more of it each month. Are you really that simple minded?

They returned a lot of land after the 1967 war. That wasn’t very Ziony of them.

 

[Seeds]

those taliban troops are hard to beat. No country or empire has conquered Afghanistan.

British have tried and failed, Russians/ Soviets tried and failed, USA has tried and failed too

The usa never tried to conquer afghanistan. They wanted to overthrow the taliban. They had zero intention in conquering the land.

 

[Saint]

Israeli terrorists setting fire to aid trucks. We fund these people. The Australian Jewish Association directly raises funds for these settler terrorists with stated goals of ethnic cleansing, and our Governments are worried about ethnic cleansing.



Where's the AFP? They're busy letting Chinese secret police kidnap Australian residents.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

They returned a lot of land after the 1967 war. That wasn’t very Ziony of them.

Yeah, to Egypt. Not to Palestinians.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

those taliban troops are hard to beat. No country or empire has conquered Afghanistan.

British have tried and failed, Russians/ Soviets tried and failed, USA has tried and failed too

Alexander the Great did, as did multiple Persian dynasties.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If you accept the Mexican land theft then it is a possibilty that your pro-Palestine stance could be because you're an antisemite?

Laughable nonsense, especially when you've invoked anti-semitic tropes yourself in this thread. People who accept the outcome of the Mexican War simply don't want to re-litigate past wrongs from over 150 years ago, whereas Palestinians are being murdered en masse right now. You're essentially arguing that two wrongs make a right, and that the law of the jungle should be standard practice now, simply because it was in the past.

 

[QuietB]

I assume the truck drivers were antisemitic so it was justified to light their trucks on fire

‘Total outrage’: White House condemns Israeli settlers’ attack on Gaza aid trucks

Protesters block convoy, throw food into road and set fire to vehicles at Tarqumiya checkpoint near Hebron

www.theguardian.com

 

[faible]

Laughable nonsense, especially when you've invoked anti-semitic tropes yourself in this thread. People who accept the outcome of the Mexican War simply don't want to re-litigate past wrongs from over 150 years ago, whereas Palestinians are being murdered en masse right now. You're essentially arguing that two wrongs make a right, and that the law of the jungle should be standard practice now, simply because it was in the past.

A few people posting here are very much of the MIGHT IS RIGHT persuasion.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

A few people posting here are very much of the MIGHT IS RIGHT persuasion.

I wonder if those people would be happy to apply that logic to their own lives. If a gang turned up at their house with guns and machetes and forced them and their family out under threat of violence, whether they'd just accept it and slink off to the nearest homeless shelter, or complain to the police to get their house back.

 

[faible]

I wonder if those people would be happy to apply that logic to their own lives. If a gang turned up at their house with guns and machetes and forced them and their family out under threat of violence, whether they'd just accept it and slink off to the nearest homeless shelter, or complain to the police to get their house back.

I assume they'd be ok with it if a letter had been dropped in the mailbox warning them that the gang was going to turn up and take their house from them.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

A few people posting here are very much of the MIGHT IS RIGHT persuasion.

Those same people are the first to whine about the mighty moderators.

 

[Tiger 79]

A few people posting here are very much of the MIGHT IS RIGHT persuasion.

I look at it like this,

"A thief's true power lies not in their hands, but in their mind," encapsulates the essence of the cunning and intellect required to excel in the art of thievery. It emphasizes that physical prowess alone is not enough to make a successful thief; rather, it is their ability to strategize, plan meticulously, and outsmart their adversaries that truly sets them apart.

An end to this war can only come when the allies admit that incompetent politicians before them were outsmarted by the superior intellect (guile) of the Zionists.

Isn't it true that incompetence put the Zionists in this position that they find themselves in today?

 

[Saint]

I assume they'd be ok with it if a letter had been dropped in the mailbox warning them that the gang was going to turn up and take their house from them.

Imagine their surprise when they build a replacement shed across the street after 20 years of hard work and the gang blows it up so their cousins can build something bigger.