Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Saint]

The Official Knesset site. The Israeli Govt has declared a UN body a terrorist organisation. They're thrashing around like Trump-style idiots. At this point, Israel declaring you a terrorist organisation is a badge of honour. Like Putin putting you on Russia's no-fly list.

 

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The Official Knesset site. The Israeli Govt has declared a UN body a terrorist organisation. They're thrashing around like Trump-style idiots. At this point, Israel declaring you a terrorist organisation is a badge of honour. Like Putin putting you on Russia's no-fly list.

I eagerly await seeing how this will be spun to make Israel the good guys.

 

[Saint]

Nearly everyone now accepts that Bibi himself is blocking any hostage deal for his own political purposes. So he's killing innocent civilians, not trying to rescue hostages and committing genocide.

Anyone defending this monster and the Government he leads is kidding themselves. Watching Congress fawn over him is going to be sickening. Harris has done the right thing by avoiding it. Everyone giving him a standing ovation is standing up for genocide. It's the lowest act I've seen from the USA. At least in Rwanda they just pretended it wasn't happening. In Palestine they're supplying most of the weapons.

Netanyahu 'existential threat to Israel': Israeli officials tell US Congress Bibi to blame for war

"For decades, he has been inciting Israelis against each other, damaging our national social fabric."

www.jpost.com

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Nearly everyone now accepts that Bibi himself is blocking any hostage deal for his own political purposes. So he's killing innocent civilians, not trying to rescue hostages and committing genocide.

Anyone defending this monster and the Government he leads is kidding themselves. Watching Congress fawn over him is going to be sickening. Harris has done the right thing by avoiding it. Everyone giving him a standing ovation is standing up for genocide. It's the lowest act I've seen from the USA. At least in Rwanda they just pretended it wasn't happening. In Palestine they're supplying most of the weapons.

Netanyahu 'existential threat to Israel': Israeli officials tell US Congress Bibi to blame for war

"For decades, he has been inciting Israelis against each other, damaging our national social fabric."

www.jpost.com

That's the issue that the Biden administration completely buggered up.
Trump sat back and let Joe dig a grave over the Isreal issue.

 

[Saint]

That's the issue that the Biden administration completely buggered up.
Trump sat back and let Joe dig a grave over the Isreal issue.

Because he could. Trump would have been far more war-monger-y when AIPAC offered him and his campaign money to do so.

Why do you think Netanyahu has hinted that Iran was behind an assassination attempt on Trump? So that Trump attacks Iran, which he's so stupid, he'll believe Bibi, and do.

The Trump campaign has dropped Candice Owens because she opposes genocide. None of the Trump campaign have said anything about not supporting Israel even though they say they're against all other overseas wars.

 

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the murderous, lying, corrupt prick should not have been given the opportunity to spread his vile message to congress.

Netanyahu’s Shameful Speech Was Nothing but Theater

Netanyahu’s appearance on Capitol Hill did nothing to improve Israel’s relations with its No. 1 ally or its prospects for peace.

slate.com

 

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At the time of the Balfour Declaration, Jews made up about a tenth of the population of the territory. The British did not consult with the Palestinian Arab majority. By 1947, the Jewish population was about 33%. Nevertheless, the partition plan passed that year by the UN General Assembly gave them about 55% per cent of the land

It’s vitally important that Israel be understood as a settler-colonial state because it would be impossible to understand the current conflict in Gaza without understanding its settler-colonial context. As historian Rashid Khalidi observes, the conflict is not between two equal national movements fighting over the same land, but rather is “a colonial war waged against the indigenous population, by a variety of parties, to force them to relinquish their homeland to another people against their will.”

Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz: We Must Understand Israel as a Settler-Colonial State

"Just as the U.S. celebrates itself as 'a nation of immigrants,' Zionists celebrated Palestine as a land without people for a people without land."

inthesetimes.com

 

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[SaintsSeptember]

At the time of the Balfour Declaration, Jews made up about a tenth of the population of the territory. The British did not consult with the Palestinian Arab majority. By 1947, the Jewish population was about 33%. Nevertheless, the partition plan passed that year by the UN General Assembly gave them about 55% per cent of the land

It’s vitally important that Israel be understood as a settler-colonial state because it would be impossible to understand the current conflict in Gaza without understanding its settler-colonial context. As historian Rashid Khalidi observes, the conflict is not between two equal national movements fighting over the same land, but rather is “a colonial war waged against the indigenous population, by a variety of parties, to force them to relinquish their homeland to another people against their will.”

Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz: We Must Understand Israel as a Settler-Colonial State

"Just as the U.S. celebrates itself as 'a nation of immigrants,' Zionists celebrated Palestine as a land without people for a people without land."

inthesetimes.com

The Balfour Declaration supported a national home for the Jewish People "In Palestine".
It wasn't intended that they be gifted "all of Palestine", and Palestine was an area, it wasn't even well defined.
Population at the time was around 500 000, with much of it virtually deserted.

The British ended up being the meat in the Sandwich ,between the hostile arabs who had lived there originally, and the Jews who became hostile when the British tried to limit their immigration.

 

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Waiting for sections of the media to compare this to 1930s Germany.

You know, when there were Jews protesting for the Nazis

 

[Saint]

Waiting for sections of the media to compare this to 1930s Germany.

You know, when there were Jews protesting for the Nazis

You have to make clear sarcasm in this argument, because the stuff the Zionists come up with is truly bonkers.

"We're committing a real genocide to prevent imaginary genocide"

 

[Saint]

If Israel and their supporters want to say to keep politics out of the Olympics, Israel shouldn't have chosen a flag bearer who signs bombs.

 

[Saint]

18th Palestinian prisoner has died in Israeli custody.

Even under war conditions, Hamas are keeping Israeli prisoners alive better than the Israelis can.

 

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The Balfour Declaration supported a national home for the Jewish People "In Palestine".
It wasn't intended that they be gifted "all of Palestine", and Palestine was an area, it wasn't even well defined.
Population at the time was around 500 000, with much of it virtually deserted.

The British ended up being the meat in the Sandwich ,between the hostile arabs who had lived there originally, and the Jews who became hostile when the British tried to limit their immigration.

israel is an imposed state. had the zionists accepted the boundaries gifted to them under balfour and established the state within those boundaries there’d be no violence. they never did and over decades have illegally occupied palestinian land - violently.

jews and christians have historically been a small minority on the arabian peninsula

 

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if only there were more jewish folk like louise - who have a social conscience, who understand equallity and who care about the sanctity of human life.

 

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precisely! at least kamala is not a professed zionist as biden was.

 

[Roylion]

israel is an imposed state. had the zionists accepted the boundaries gifted to them under balfour

The Balfour Declaration did not set any boundaries for a State of Israel.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

 

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The Balfour Declaration did not set any boundaries for a State of Israel.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

it was of great significance in the imposition of the state of israel.

that said, my main contention is that had the zionists accepted the boundaries and lived within them there would have been no conflict. they never intended to. the occupation of land that was not theirs is the reason for decades of unrest leading to the genocide of today.

 

[Roylion]

it was of great significance in the imposition of the state of israel.

I didn't say it wasn't. The Balfour Declaration didn't set the boundaries as you suggested it did.

that said, my main contention is that had the zionists accepted the boundaries

Which boundaries? When?

The Jewish Agency accepted the 1947 UN partition plan although they did lobby for the inclusion of Jerusalem and the western Galilee as well.

The Jewish Agency wrote to President Harry Truman on May 14th 1948 stating that

"I have the honor of notifying you that the State of Israel had been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution of 29th November 1947.....

Eliahu Epstein. Agent.
Provisional Government of Israel."

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Israel have officially been ruled against at the ICJ. They're officially an apartheid state.

This puts a lot more pressure on FIFA's vote tomorrow and the IOC and anyone else who continues to do business with Israel, including Australia. It gives BDS and other movements the legal backing to support what they're doing.

The ICJ has ruled Israel must leave all settlements in the Occupied Territories and that hiding behind Israel's false interpretation of the Oslo Accords is not lawful. They're legally a pariah state. They should be treated as such.

If you support them, you support apartheid, there's no other explanation.

ICJ's decision on the occupation goes beyond Israel's worst fears

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www.haaretz.com

The ICJ are anti-Semitic!

 

[Saint]

I didn't say it wasn't. The Balfour Declaration didn't set the boundaries as you suggested it did.


Which boundaries? When?

The Jewish Agency accepted the 1947 UN partition plan although they did lobby for the inclusion of Jerusalem and the western Galilee as well.

The Jewish Agency wrote to President Harry Truman on May 14th 1948 stating that

"I have the honor of notifying you that the State of Israel had been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution of 29th November 1947.....

Eliahu Epstein. Agent.
Provisional Government of Israel."

Neither side accepted the boundaries. Israel took 1947, because it was an increase from zero. They've only increased it since then. They never intended at stopping at the 1947 boundaries, and neither did the other side.

Don't forget, the IDF was formed out of declared terrorist organisations. Don't let the Israeli propaganda convince you that they were a law-abiding healthy Govt in 1947. They were bloodthirsty terrorists. And whether the Arabs accepted the partition or not, the Israelis were going to set about exterminating them.

Unfortunately for Israel, in 1947, colonialism was still accepted. Even into the 60's, they should have sought a truce then. In 2024, it's not acceptable to the global community, so what they're doing in the West Bank is seen as the same as what Russia is doing in Ukraine. They see themselves the same way as Christian missionaries murdering their way through the Congo did. Spreading their deity's word with the spilling of blood. Israel risk losing everything they've gained since 1967 because the longer it goes on, the more everything since 1947 and earlier is being questioned.

 

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Neither side accepted the boundaries. Israel took 1947, because it was an increase from zero. They've only increased it since then. They never intended at stopping at the 1947 boundaries, and neither did the other side.

Don't forget, the IDF was formed out of declared terrorist organisations. Don't let the Israeli propaganda convince you that they were a law-abiding healthy Govt in 1947. They were bloodthirsty terrorists. And whether the Arabs accepted the partition or not, the Israelis were going to set about exterminating them.

Unfortunately for Israel, in 1947, colonialism was still accepted. Even into the 60's, they should have sought a truce then. In 2024, it's not acceptable to the global community, so what they're doing in the West Bank is seen as the same as what Russia is doing in Ukraine. They see themselves the same way as Christian missionaries murdering their way through the Congo did. Spreading their deity's word with the spilling of blood. Israel risk losing everything they've gained since 1967 because the longer it goes on, the more everything since 1947 and earlier is being questioned.

I think part of the "peace" made with Jordan, was that the disputed land should be Palestinian.
So technically if the Israeli's disagree with that, or take the land, then Jordan's claim to that land reopens.
Not that i think Jordan would want anything to do with today's mess.

 

[Saint]

I think part of the "peace" made with Jordan, was that the disputed land should be Palestinian.
So technically if the Israeli's disagree with that, or take the land, then Jordan's claim to that land reopens.
Not that i think Jordan would want anything to do with today's mess.

Because when it was part of Jordan, Israel couldn't help themselves but commit massacres in Jordan (Palestine).

Kafr Qasim, Qibya (led by Ariel Sharon), and many more the former terrorists, now IDF, couldn't help but commit atrocities and have them covered up by the media and Government. And lately they talk about how all they wanted after 1947 was peace?

The Israeli Govt has been covering up IDF terrorism since their inception and it has never stopped. They're the least moral army since African Colonial days.

 

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the murderous, lying, corrupt prick should not have been given the opportunity to spread his vile message to congress.

Netanyahu’s Shameful Speech Was Nothing but Theater

Netanyahu’s appearance on Capitol Hill did nothing to improve Israel’s relations with its No. 1 ally or its prospects for peace.

slate.com

But some posters assured me the mainstream media would never lie

 

[Roylion]

Neither side accepted the boundaries.

The Jewish Agency accepted the 1947 Partition Plan, as I've demonstrated.

They've only increased it since then.

Yes they have. One increase was as a result of the 1947-1948 war and others have been as a result of other conflicts.

They never intended at stopping at the 1947 boundaries,

What they 'intended' to do after the 1947 acceptance is not what I'm commenting on

And whether the Arabs accepted the partition or not, the Israelis were going to set about exterminating them.

That is a matter of dispute.