Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Chief]

The image of an Israeli settler used to be a kibbutz and plantations with hippie farmers trying to grow tomatoes.

Now it's walled-off apartment complexes, and everyone carrying a machine gun looking to plunder and steal somebody else's stuff after they kill them and build a new apartment complex on the remains of their farmhouse.

There's something in that for all of us.

 

[_Mike_]

Latest news

 

[_Mike_]

 

[_Mike_]

The conflict isn’t between Israel and Hamas alone, Iran through its Hezbollah proxies threatens to attack Israel

 

[Not Important]

what a pity the terrorist state didn’t forensically seek out and avenge those responsible. they have the intelligence, infrastructure and technology to do it. rather they decided to kill or maim thousands upon thousands of innocents, large numbers of whom were children. and in the process turn gaza into a moonscape.

in a recent article entitled “it’s ideology that drives netanyahu, not just power” gideon levy, who lives in iisrael, wrote it wasn’t hamas or the return of the hostages that was foremost in his mind rather it was completing the occupation by turning gaza into an israel state. the cost was irrelevant. that includes the west bank.

he and his fellow terrorists are monsters. and those who give him aid and comfort have blood on their hands too.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Not Important]

Israeli society’s dehumanization of Palestinians is now absolute

In the past, Israel’s moral debate about its military actions may have been narrow and hypocritical, but at least it existed. Not this time.

www.972mag.com

 

[_Mike_]

Houthis under Iran support have shut down the Suez Canal creating a choke point. Trade via that route is down 40%.


We may be headed for a regional conflict sooner than we think and the US will have to pick & choose what war it fights between saving Israel, Ukraine or potential threat to Taiwan

What’s happened in Palestine between Hamas and Israel is not isolated and part of a bigger plan to weaken the US as a major power in world politics

 

[_Mike_]

rather they decided to kill or maim thousands upon thousands of innocents, large numbers of whom were children. and in the process turn gaza into a moonscape.

Not to be obtuse on the plight of the Palestine citizens, what I’m seeing and hearing now is getting very very serious in the Middle East. Iran is getting all the political motivation they need to go all out with Israel, Iran is days away from completing a nuclear weapon

Trump’s bailing out of the JCPOA program left Iran free to continue with its nuclear program

 

[Not Important]

thanks for the response. whilst there are wider issues at play this thread is about hamas and israel.

that said, i'd venture to say that had israel accepted the location and limits gifted them decades ago and not proceeded to occupy palestinian land illegally and with hostility we wouldn't have the degree of instability in the region we have at present.

i agree with the following article which puts that neither israel nor hezbollah wants a major conflict.

Despite what they say, neither Israel nor Hezbollah wants a full-scale war - 360

As Hezbollah lit up the night sky with rockets, the potential of a wider Middle Eastern war seemed inevitable. But the facts reveal a very different reality. When Hezbollah launched more than 300 rockets at Israel from southern Lebanon on August 25, some commentators warned this could embroil...

360info.org

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

What’s happened in Palestine between Hamas and Israel is not isolated and part of a bigger plan to weaken the US as a major power in world politics

This is a bit correlation and causation imo.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Israeli hostage family now getting deliberately stomped by police horses.



Israel is a failed experiment, lurching dangerously toward outright fascism.

 

[_Mike_]

This is a bit correlation and causation imo.

Iran wont come out & publicly admit they persuaded Hamas to attack on Oct 7, however conveniently Iran was publicly supporting the Houthis and their civil war in Yemen. Back in 2015 & with backing from the UAE, groups in the south of Yemen were warming up to the idea of normalised relations between Yemen & Israel.

Contradicting statements made by Iran in 2019 relate to the support of the Houthi Shia minority, US intelligence believed that Iran "contributed" to the Houthi takeover and the collapse of the Yemeni government. The Shai Houthis are from Yemen's large Shia minority & the Sunni opponents of the militant group have long accused them of close ties to Iran the largest Shia-led state in the region & Saudi rivals. The Shai's goal has been dominance in the region, the Iraq war and removal of Saddam Hussein had far wider regional implications than many realised.

In November 2023 Houthis launched repeated drone and missile attacks against Israeli-linked ships in the Red Sea and the Bab al-Mandab Strait and got involved. Iran mobilising Hezbollah from Lebanon was a predetermined strategy, Hezbollah is far more organised & better supported than Hamas. Back to Israel conflict, where Iran can either destablise or eliminate Israel from the picture Iran are starting to put their cards on the table. This is all too convenient to be merely an Israel - Hamas/Palestine conflict

 

[Not Important]

you see report after report of this reprehensible treatment by armed i.d.f, settlers who hunt in packs and callous creeps like this. how a people who have been through so much can act like this defies comprehension. the rogue state of israel will never be forgiven.



and this.



and it’s not just in gaza.

 

[Not Important]

just why aren’t more israelis aren’t on the right side of history like howard?



and antony as well.

 

[Number37]

Iran wont come out & publicly admit they persuaded Hamas to attack on Oct 7, however conveniently Iran was publicly supporting the Houthis and their civil war in Yemen. Back in 2015 & with backing from the UAE, groups in the south of Yemen were warming up to the idea of normalised relations between Yemen & Israel.

Contradicting statements made by Iran in 2019 relate to the support of the Houthi Shia minority, US intelligence believed that Iran "contributed" to the Houthi takeover and the collapse of the Yemeni government. The Shai Houthis are from Yemen's large Shia minority & the Sunni opponents of the militant group have long accused them of close ties to Iran the largest Shia-led state in the region & Saudi rivals. The Shai's goal has been dominance in the region, the Iraq war and removal of Saddam Hussein had far wider regional implications than many realised.

In November 2023 Houthis launched repeated drone and missile attacks against Israeli-linked ships in the Red Sea and the Bab al-Mandab Strait and got involved. Iran mobilising Hezbollah from Lebanon was a predetermined strategy, Hezbollah is far more organised & better supported than Hamas. Back to Israel conflict, where Iran can either destablise or eliminate Israel from the picture Iran are starting to put their cards on the table. This is all too convenient to be merely an Israel - Hamas/Palestine conflict

Palestinians have never had the capability to militarily defend themselves. Ever.
So the idea that this has ever been a war between Israel/Palestinan-Hamas is fanciful.

We have been constantly fed this bullshit that everyone wants to wipe Israel off the map.
On the premise that 'everyone wants to wipe Israel off the map' the Israelis have been permitted, for decades, to carry out terrorism and genocide so that Israel can 'defend itself'.

The idea that people with vested interests are stoking this war doesn't just apply to one side.
What is obvious is that Israel decided long before October 7 that it would attempt to annex the entire Palestinian territory for itself.
Israel can invoke a right to defend itself and so can the Palestinian people.

If the war escalates to include Iran, Hezbollah and/or anyone else, the blame for it will lie squarely at the feet of Israel.
What will happen if the war escalates is that Israel will get its arse kicked, then they will go crying to the UN for protection.

 

[Not Important]

Iran wont come out & publicly admit they persuaded Hamas to attack on Oct 7, however conveniently Iran was publicly supporting the Houthis and their civil war in Yemen. Back in 2015 & with backing from the UAE, groups in the south of Yemen were warming up to the idea of normalised relations between Yemen & Israel.

Contradicting statements made by Iran in 2019 relate to the support of the Houthi Shia minority, US intelligence believed that Iran "contributed" to the Houthi takeover and the collapse of the Yemeni government. The Shai Houthis are from Yemen's large Shia minority & the Sunni opponents of the militant group have long accused them of close ties to Iran the largest Shia-led state in the region & Saudi rivals. The Shai's goal has been dominance in the region, the Iraq war and removal of Saddam Hussein had far wider regional implications than many realised.

In November 2023 Houthis launched repeated drone and missile attacks against Israeli-linked ships in the Red Sea and the Bab al-Mandab Strait and got involved. Iran mobilising Hezbollah from Lebanon was a predetermined strategy, Hezbollah is far more organised & better supported than Hamas. Back to Israel conflict, where Iran can either destablise or eliminate Israel from the picture Iran are starting to put their cards on the table. This is all too convenient to be merely an Israel - Hamas/Palestine conflict

iran isn’t responsible for decades of illegal occupation, terrorism, and harassment. it’s a specious argument in the context of this thread/contest of ideas.

 

[Not Important]

this is brilliant.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

this is brilliant.

What is an earth hippy and why are they a qualified objective reasonable source?

We can do better than the X spamming in here. It serves public debate in no meaningful way.

 

[cartwright]

just why aren’t more israelis aren’t on the right side of history like howard?



and antony as well.

Am reading Robert Fisks “Night of Power” that articulates this quite well.

 

[Saint]

The conflict isn’t between Israel and Hamas alone, Iran through its Hezbollah proxies threatens to attack Israel

The US has been using its IDF and Jordanian proxies to attack Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and Jordan for decades.

 

[Saint]

Iran wont come out & publicly admit they persuaded Hamas to attack on Oct 7, however conveniently Iran was publicly supporting the Houthis and their civil war in Yemen. Back in 2015 & with backing from the UAE, groups in the south of Yemen were warming up to the idea of normalised relations between Yemen & Israel.

Contradicting statements made by Iran in 2019 relate to the support of the Houthi Shia minority, US intelligence believed that Iran "contributed" to the Houthi takeover and the collapse of the Yemeni government. The Shai Houthis are from Yemen's large Shia minority & the Sunni opponents of the militant group have long accused them of close ties to Iran the largest Shia-led state in the region & Saudi rivals. The Shai's goal has been dominance in the region, the Iraq war and removal of Saddam Hussein had far wider regional implications than many realised.

In November 2023 Houthis launched repeated drone and missile attacks against Israeli-linked ships in the Red Sea and the Bab al-Mandab Strait and got involved. Iran mobilising Hezbollah from Lebanon was a predetermined strategy, Hezbollah is far more organised & better supported than Hamas. Back to Israel conflict, where Iran can either destablise or eliminate Israel from the picture Iran are starting to put their cards on the table. This is all too convenient to be merely an Israel - Hamas/Palestine conflict

You left out the bit where the Saudis and US are funding and supporting the Yemeni minority Sunnis. For every conflict Iran is supporting one side, the US and either its Israeli or Saudi proxies are supporting the other.

 

[Saint]

just why aren’t more israelis aren’t on the right side of history like howard?



and antony as well.

Because it's a white supremacist state. Just like the one they were supposedly escaping. Now they're just replicating white nationalism and fascism.

Polls in Israel show that Netanyahu's party is increasing its share in the polls. Don't let anyone convince you that it's isolated incidents. It's a group of people who call themselves Israelis committing genocide. Don't even need to distinguish between Zionists and Israelis any more. If you support this Israeli state, you're genocidal.

 

[_Mike_]

The US has been using its IDF and Jordanian proxies to attack Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and Jordan for decades.

The middle east is a chess board,

"The art of war is an immense study, which comprises all others. To concentrate one’s forces – usually by swift marches – so as to confront with superior numbers a segment of the enemy too far from the center to be reinforced in time' Napoleon.

In May this year Iran sent weapons to Iranian-backed militias in Syria then to a cell of the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan that has links to the military wing of Palestinian group Hamas, the people told Reuters. The cache was seized when members of the cell, Jordanians of Palestinian descent, were arrested in late March

They've all been at each other for centuries.

 

[_Mike_]

You left out the bit where the Saudis and US are funding and supporting the Yemeni minority Sunnis. For every conflict Iran is supporting one side, the US and either its Israeli or Saudi proxies are supporting the other.

Ofcourse they are, the Saudis do not want a Shia islamic rule