Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Markfs]

I don’t want to get into an off topic debate especially regarding Australian politics as I couldn’t be more disenchanted with Labor and the Libs, I do want to touch upon a point you made however.

You say that immigration is where the coalition wants the debate to be, well to me they are both completely captured and they both serve the same masters, and those masters absolutely want us (the 99.99%) arguing over race, over sex, sexual preference etc.
I think the there are negative motivations behind the mass immigration we are seeing in the west. I think it will increasingly used by the oligarchs to keep us fighting with each other instead of directing it towards the 0.01% through “astroturfed” movements.

Like Tommy Robinson for example, fully funded by wealthy Israelis to incite violence.

I wonder who funds australians to be so concerned about hollywood, and influencers and royalty and married with whatever and all the other stupid irrelevant trivialities of life....who funds these australians to be so stupid after 13 years of schooling and often 4 or more years of tertiary education...

 

[Markfs]

So in the single most important topic to Australians.....antisemitism....we have bridget mckenzie saying that the gov't is actually giving off pheromone signals that is encouraging antisemitism. She's a national of course.

These people are obsessed....is funding that tight?

Senator links government stance to surge in antisemitic attacks

www.9news.com.au

 

[peetoo]

So in the single most important topic to Australians.....antisemitism....we have bridget mckenzie saying that the gov't is actually giving off pheromone signals that is encouraging antisemitism. She's a national of course.

These people are obsessed....is funding that tight?

Senator links government stance to surge in antisemitic attacks

www.9news.com.au

As found in the voice referendum, Australians want all groups treated equally before the law

 

[Markfs]

As found in the voice referendum, Australians want all groups treated equally before the law

its a worthwhile comparison and I look at it another way. I wonder why political leaders are showing passion for one group, when they couldnt be bothered with the situation for indigenous australians during that debate. Why this manic empathy for one group? Excuse me if I am a little cynical and believe that it smacks of self-interest.

 

[Deliverance]

I don’t want to get into an off topic debate especially regarding Australian politics as I couldn’t be more disenchanted with Labor and the Libs, I do want to touch upon a point you made however.

You say that immigration is where the coalition wants the debate to be, well to me they are both completely captured and they both serve the same masters, and those masters absolutely want us (the 99.99%) arguing over race, over sex, sexual preference etc.
I think the there are negative motivations behind the mass immigration we are seeing in the west. I think it will increasingly used by the oligarchs to keep us fighting with each other instead of directing it towards the 0.01% through “astroturfed” movements.

Like Tommy Robinson for example, fully funded by wealthy Israelis to incite violence.

Conservatives are the only ones who want to argue over those things you mention. Progressives have no issue with other peoples colour, gender or sexuality, or any other faux issue that has zero impact on anyone's life except the person living it.

 

[sr36]

Conservatives are the only ones who want to argue over those things you mention. Progressives have no issue with other peoples colour, gender or sexuality, or any other faux issue that has zero impact on anyone's life except the person living it.

Yep. Rants about identity, interjected with claims of hating the left for identity politics. It's so ridiculous.

 

[peetoo]

its a worthwhile comparison and I look at it another way. I wonder why political leaders are showing passion for one group, when they couldnt be bothered with the situation for indigenous australians during that debate. Why this manic empathy for one group? Excuse me if I am a little cynical and believe that it smacks of self-interest.

It most certainly does.
Another thing with the anti voice was that it was critiqued that it made some more equal than others based on ancestry, yet King Charles is our head of state


It’s also weird that ‘the left’ are accused of defending Islam particularly rabid right Islam (violent) when it’s clear the left are not fans of religion full stop.

The left is anti discrimination. Simple as that

 

[Markfs]

time for the elite thinkers to report on their whatsapp groups....

It most certainly does.
Another thing with the anti voice was that it was critiqued that it made some more equal than others based on ancestry, yet King Charles is our head of state


It’s also weird that ‘the left’ are accused of defending Islam particularly rabid right Islam (violent) when it’s clear the left are not fans of religion full stop.

The left is anti discrimination. Simple as that

i dont know if i'm considered left because evidently i'm antisemitic but I dislike most religions equally. I dont mind judaism because they dont recruit....and buddhism is relatively nice too, and i must say that if religious people lived in one area like the amish or kept to themselves, i'd be happier. Not that i cant deal with them. In fact, i find hardliner religious people interesting....

but in short, we really should move on from this mumbo jumbo...

 

[Markfs]

I tried watching this video but I became agitated after a few minutes. The interviewer is an israeli jewish film maker. I'm not sure about his agenda

 

[SaintsSeptember]

its a worthwhile comparison and I look at it another way. I wonder why political leaders are showing passion for one group, when they couldnt be bothered with the situation for indigenous australians during that debate. Why this manic empathy for one group? Excuse me if I am a little cynical and believe that it smacks of self-interest.

Really ? Are we going to put a voice for Jews into our constitution?

 

[Markfs]

Really ? Are we going to put a voice for Jews into our constitution?

Obviously not as that would require a vote, but like new york, I can see legislation being introduced that makes it illegal to criticise israel.

And you might think that concept is outrageous, but I ask myself, Albanese is criticised daily for not doing enough. What could he do? He can only introduce legislation. I suppose he could contract a huge advertising campaign to tell australians not to criticise israel...or they could incorporate it into schools - and I think we might see that too. However the New York legislation indicates the direction that the lobby wants it to go.

 

[Not Important]

well worth a read. most will be shocked too.

 

[Not Important]

, dianna.



and antony is a truthteller and credit to his faith.

 

[Markfs]

well worth a read. most will be shocked too.

It's interesting to see that it's a new york times best seller..... so presumably a lot of people in new york have read it...

 

[faible]

Really ? Are we going to put a voice for Jews into our constitution?

Did Jews live here for ~ 60,000 years prior to the British turning up and sticking a flag down?

There's some pretty obvious reasons why Aboriginal Australians and their incredible history here should be recognised a bit differently to the majority of us who've rolled in over the last 200 years.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Did Jews live here for ~ 60,000 years prior to the British turning up and sticking a flag down?

There's some pretty obvious reasons why Aboriginal Australians and their incredible history here should be recognised a bit differently to the majority of us who've rolled in over the last 200 years.

I agree .
I was responding to Markfs suggesting it was a good comparison.

 

[faible]

I agree .
I was responding to Markfs suggesting it was a good comparison.

I interpreted your post incorrectly in that case

 

[Markfs]

I was thinking of a comparison between the passion felt by conservatives for the local jews and for israel and the apparent lack of passion for the indigenous population during the vote - although you could argue that they were passionate to advocate that the indigenous people shouldnt be singled out for special treatment.

 

[Markfs]

Did Jews live here for ~ 60,000 years prior to the British turning up and sticking a flag down?

There's some pretty obvious reasons why Aboriginal Australians and their incredible history here should be recognised a bit differently to the majority of us who've rolled in over the last 200 years.

Evidently the cut-off is about 2000 years regarding rights for land...although you could wonder why conservatives passionately recognise 2000 years for one group and dismiss 60,000 years for another.

 

[faible]

Evidently the cut-off is about 2000 years regarding rights for land...although you could wonder why conservatives passionately recognise 2000 years for one group and dismiss 60,000 years for another.

People are dumb. They're all about it when it's in a faraway land. They're not all about it in their own backyard.

 

[Saint]

People are dumb. They're all about it when it's in a faraway land. They're not all about it in their own backyard.

That's very generous.

Dutton and Netanyahu's main common belief is their superiority to anybody with darker skin. There's not a policy or topic where either of those two have ever wavered from that.

And their followers know it and support it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I was thinking of a comparison between the passion felt by conservatives for the local jews and for israel and the apparent lack of passion for the indigenous population during the vote - although you could argue that they were passionate to advocate that the indigenous people shouldnt be singled out for special treatment.

There were plenty who voted "Yes".
There may have been people who voted no for reasons not related to compassion.

 

[Markfs]

There were plenty who voted "Yes".
There may have been people who voted no for reasons not related to compassion.

I'm just talking about the "passion" of government representatives demonstrate when they are talking publicly about the rights of the two groups....the hysteria that has been shown in the last year about a relatively small number of incidents, when you dont see anywhere near the urgency shown for the issues of the other group. The irony that I've seen allegations of racism spruiked when the "victims" are mostly european. And I'm certain that a lot of it is happening for reasons other than compassion.

 

[Markfs]

I was reading the news this morning and a thought came into my head that maybe there is a firey and vengeful god, dealing out justice.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I was reading the news this morning and a thought came into my head that maybe there is a firey and vengeful god, dealing out justice.

I wouldn't venture down that path, myself. Australia's been a willing cohort in more than a few examples of belligerent U.S foreign policy decisions but to view Ash Wednesday (1983, South Australia, Victoria) Black Saturday (2009, Victoria) or Black Summer (2019-20, Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland, Australian Capital Territory, South Australia) as some sort of 'divine punishment' is, even going beyond the debate over the existence of the 'divine' in and of itself, a bit shit.

Nobody of consequence is ever harmed by these events, only ordinary folk and the wildlife that call the bush home. If The Divine can throw lightning bolts at will why do the guilty escape harm continuously?

And THEN you get to this kind of social commentary

US pastor, who believes floods are God's punishment, flees flooded home

Tony Perkins and his family escapes the Louisiana floods in a canoe after huge natural disaster.

www.bbc.com

Yeah nah. F*ck that for a game of soldiers.