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[Scorpus]

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[1970crow]

Given the head coach says we need more speed and power through the middle, I reckon it's safe to say they all see it as an issue

I'm cautiously optimistic that you're right. They did have excuses this year. The other options were;
Berry - probably running on fumes most of the year
Hately - groin issues, no power
Pedlar - see Berry, but add coming in injured and then added another when up and going
Ned - probably didn't want to risk blunting his progression
Jones - see Ned but quadruple the concern given how that idiot had destroyed him
ROC - maybe not someone they thought could play anywhere else to deepen the rotation, he kind of came on/off mid/bench

Given a trouble free preseason, we should see a deepening of our midfield in the practice games. I do have a fear that this is a top down strategy and whilst what you say might be correct, it might not mean deeper, it might just mean different and something we'll be developing in the 2s or st half forward whilst we wait out the retirements/departures of the current 4 primaries.

But it won't be able to be hidden if all 4 of the primaries plus Schoey is fit next year. There's no way they'll rotate 5 through the bench and have them averaging 60% TOG between them. Someone's going to have to take up a spot elsewhere for some minutes if Schoey continues to get a share, which on form, should be more than the 60-65% TOG he finished the year at.

 

[70lethal]

I'm cautiously optimistic that you're right. They did have excuses this year. The other options were;
Berry - probably running on fumes most of the year
Hately - groin issues, no power
Pedlar - see Berry, but add coming in injured and then added another when up and going
Ned - probably didn't want to risk blunting his progression
Jones - see Ned but quadruple the concern given how that idiot had destroyed him
ROC - maybe not someone they thought could play anywhere else to deepen the rotation, he kind of came on/off mid/bench

Given a trouble free preseason, we should see a deepening of our midfield in the practice games. I do have a fear that this is a top down strategy and whilst what you say might be correct, it might not mean deeper, it might just mean different and something we'll be developing in the 2s or st half forward whilst we wait out the retirements/departures of the current 4 primaries.

But it won't be able to be hidden if all 4 of the primaries plus Schoey is fit next year. There's no way they'll rotate 5 through the bench and have them averaging 60% TOG between them. Someone's going to have to take up a spot elsewhere for some minutes if Schoey continues to get a share, which on form, should be more than the 60-65% TOG he finished the year at.

That TOG stat of Harrys is pretty interesting.
31 disposals in 60% game time against Powa. Thats over 40 disposals if continued for 80% game time.

 

[hey shorty]

Rankine has a lot of talent but that alone doesn't always get it done. He would probably improve with better coaching. Not sure he'll ever reach Pickett's level though.

He's got the ability to be MUCH better even.

But I too fear he won't reach where he should.

 

[Gtowncrow]

You need outside experience at another club. Unless you want to keep teaching the AFC way.

That's true. But isn't a prerequisite of being the SANFL coach teaching the AFC system. Who better to provide currency and relilvence than a retired player held in apparent universal respect within the club. Particularly with the relationship credentials of Lynch.
I still think he is a fabulous option, not just a convenient one.

 

[FR0GGY]

That's true. But isn't a prerequisite of being the SANFL coach teaching the AFC system. Who better to provide currency and relilvence than a retired player held in apparent universal respect within the club. Particularly with the relationship credentials of Lynch.
I still think he is a fabulous option, not just a convenient one.

But we want to be teaching the SANFL kids the AFC AFL system.
We need experiences from outside the existing AFC AFL system because the one he’s been a part of hasn’t been ultimately successful.
There should be a prerequisite that coaching staff have a minimum of 2 years elsewhere before hiring.

 

[Gtowncrow]

But we want to be teaching the SANFL kids the AFC AFL system.
We need experiences from outside the existing AFC AFL system because the one he’s been a part of hasn’t been ultimately successful.
There should be a prerequisite that coaching staff have a minimum of 2 years elsewhere before hiring.

I think we're on different pages. Sorry.
But...
I sure hope any SANFL coach is coaching to the head coaches overarching strategy. Not making it up for themselves. The most relevant exterior experience is that of the head coach. Everyone below him follows their lead. Otherwise, you end up with confusion and anarchy.

 

[FR0GGY]

I think we're on different pages. Sorry.
But...
I sure hope any SANFL coach is coaching to the head coaches overarching strategy. Not making it up for themselves. The most relevant exterior experience is that of the head coach. Everyone below him follows their lead. Otherwise, you end up with confusion and anarchy.

Exactly and how much AFC system does nicks have in his veins? Zero
I’ve never said anything about Lynch going his own way, not sure where you got that from.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Exactly and how much AFC system does nicks have in his veins? Zero
I’ve never said anything about Lynch going his own way, not sure where you got that from.

Firstly, Nicks IS the AFC system. Who the hell else is running the system if it's not the head coach?
Secondly, you said earlier that we should flick Lynch out as we've "been treading water keeping these types". You then followed that with needing outside experience at another club. I'll keep the peace and agree that external experience can be beneficial but more so for senior coaches than development coaches like a SANFL coach is.
It is essential that the SANFL coach follows the direction of the head coach very closely. Both in individual player development and critically for team system. The SANFL coach who varies from this is failing their club and developing players dreadfully.
I think you're confused between the respective responsibilities and experiences of a head coach and development coach. They're quite different people...

 

[FR0GGY]

Firstly, Nicks IS the AFC system. Who the hell else is running the system if it's not the head coach?
Secondly, you said earlier that we should flick Lynch out as we've "been treading water keeping these types". You then followed that with needing outside experience at another club. I'll keep the peace and agree that external experience can be beneficial but more so for senior coaches than development coaches like a SANFL coach is.
It is essential that the SANFL coach follows the direction of the head coach very closely. Both in individual player development and critically for team system. The SANFL coach who varies from this is failing their club and developing players dreadfully.
I think you're confused between the respective responsibilities and experiences of a head coach and development coach. They're quite different people...

yes now nicks system is the AFC system, that’s obvious.
But Lynch’s experience is 1 year of that and 8-9years of the old AFC system, we don’t want any of that coming back to the club as it’s not great.
Name one coach that we’ve had that started coaching with us, once they finished playing for us, that has gone on to bigger and better things?

 

[Gtowncrow]

yes now nicks system is the AFC system, that’s obvious.
But Lynch’s experience is 1 year of that and 8-9years of the old AFC system, we don’t want any of that coming back to the club as it’s not great.
Name one coach that we’ve had that started coaching with us, once they finished playing for us, that has gone on to bigger and better things?

Experience is very important if a player becoming a coach was looking to go onto bigger and better things. Agreed.
But the SANFL coach requires minimal external or individual decision making. They're a critical link between talented developing players and match ready AFL players. To achieve this, the team mantra and expectation needs consistency between the two levels.
Lynch might not be the best SANFL coach we could find, but if beaten to the job by someone else, I reckon they'll need to be pretty damn good.

 

[1970crow]

Exactly and how much AFC system does nicks have in his veins? Zero
I’ve never said anything about Lynch going his own way, not sure where you got that from.

he may not have any AFC system in his veins, but if he didn't hold similar core philosophies to Roo then there's no way he'd have gotten the gig. And Roo would comfortably have the most influence as there was no AFL experience from the head of footy and Fagan a footy numpty.

 

[1970crow]

Firstly, Nicks IS the AFC system. Who the hell else is running the system if it's not the head coach?
Secondly, you said earlier that we should flick Lynch out as we've "been treading water keeping these types". You then followed that with needing outside experience at another club. I'll keep the peace and agree that external experience can be beneficial but more so for senior coaches than development coaches like a SANFL coach is.
It is essential that the SANFL coach follows the direction of the head coach very closely. Both in individual player development and critically for team system. The SANFL coach who varies from this is failing their club and developing players dreadfully.
I think you're confused between the respective responsibilities and experiences of a head coach and development coach. They're quite different people...

There's a Football Strategy committee that you'd presume sets some of the direction that Nicks works within. Otherwise, what would this committee exist for. Also, you underestimate the reality that Nicks presents to the club, if his philosophies were at odds with existing, he'd not have been considered for the role. I doubt the BBQ at Roo's place clinched it because he enjoyed the arguments that came with disagreement on how best to approach putting a successful team on the park. Furious agreement would have been a side with all courses.

 

[Golumless]

I'm cautiously optimistic that you're right. They did have excuses this year. The other options were;
Berry - probably running on fumes most of the year
Hately - groin issues, no power
Pedlar - see Berry, but add coming in injured and then added another when up and going
Ned - probably didn't want to risk blunting his progression
Jones - see Ned but quadruple the concern given how that idiot had destroyed him
ROC - maybe not someone they thought could play anywhere else to deepen the rotation, he kind of came on/off mid/bench

Given a trouble free preseason, we should see a deepening of our midfield in the practice games. I do have a fear that this is a top down strategy and whilst what you say might be correct, it might not mean deeper, it might just mean different and something we'll be developing in the 2s or st half forward whilst we wait out the retirements/departures of the current 4 primaries.

But it won't be able to be hidden if all 4 of the primaries plus Schoey is fit next year. There's no way they'll rotate 5 through the bench and have them averaging 60% TOG between them. Someone's going to have to take up a spot elsewhere for some minutes if Schoey continues to get a share, which on form, should be more than the 60-65% TOG he finished the year at.

I do wonder if Schoey is fit enough at this point. It was a weakness coming into the system, and I doubt someone like Hass is going to offer that large of a benefit.

Might be the biggest winner on the list of Burgess coming abroad (if he does).

 

[ams4crows]

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Tredrea knows

 

[Golumless]

Not surprising seeing how disinterested they ended up being in Dawson.

 

[Sanders]

Good. Saves all the mouth breathing here over him

bruise free, it’s the port Adelaide tradition

 

[Peter Doherty]

Lukosius is a fine player, Rankine fills a need though, same as Hollands.

 

[Bearded Clam]

if he’s available… crows will he just as deep into him too..

but they are just not leaking a bloody thing these days… so know one would know.

nicksys face pretty much said it all in that presser a few weeks back…

 

[ams4crows]

The comment of Tredrea: he's friends with your son and he's friends with Connor no doubt they talk
and then
Rowie: that's why I'm saying your club is into him a 100 miles and hour.

 

[Bearded Clam]

The comment of Tredrea: he's friends with your son and he's friends with Connor no doubt they talk
and then
Rowie: that's why I'm saying your club is into him a 100 miles and hour.

if lukocious decides he wants to come home and asks for a trade.. it wont matter how deep port have been into him he will still be engaging with the crows for their interest..

and the crows can outbid port moneywise… have a very likable coach that’s fast gaining a great reputation in the AFL… have just added the best fitness bloke in the business which potential tradees will be extremely keen to train under.. furthermore, port look more likely to start their slide rather than be a GF contender.. and finally the icing on the cake, Luko and his family are all crows supporters.

if crows want him we‘d be in the box seat regardless of how much work port put in.

 

[FR0GGY]

if lukocious decides he wants to come home and asks for a trade.. it wont matter how deep port have been into him he will still be engaging with the crows for their interest..

and the crows can outbid port moneywise… have a very likable coach that’s fast gaining a great reputation in the AFL… have just added the best fitness bloke in the business which potential tradees will be extremely keen to train under.. furthermore, port look more likely to start their slide rather than be a GF contender.. and finally the icing on the cake, Luko and his family are all crows supporters.

if crows want him we‘d be in the box seat regardless of how much work port put in.

Few years off but our new facilities should wow too.

 

[MrBarry]

Rankine would still be my preference, but if luko is available I really doubt port are in the "box seat".

 

[Sanders]

We’ve already landed our preferred Luko prototype. Just haggling with Sydney over price

 

[BRL121]

if lukocious decides he wants to come home and asks for a trade.. it wont matter how deep port have been into him he will still be engaging with the crows for their interest..

and the crows can outbid port moneywise… have a very likable coach that’s fast gaining a great reputation in the AFL… have just added the best fitness bloke in the business which potential tradees will be extremely keen to train under.. furthermore, port look more likely to start their slide rather than be a GF contender.. and finally the icing on the cake, Luko and his family are all crows supporters.

if crows want him we‘d be in the box seat regardless of how much work port put in.

I wouldn't want to get in a bidding war on this. If Port want to pay him $700K, let them.