Delisted Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

[windows1]

And they should not be , Its not as if he is coniglio level player

personally i dont think he is a good fit but hope it works out for you guys

GC will be offered fair value for him. Which to my mind is something like 20 in points. He didn’t make their top 10 in the B+F. That’s a lot more important in my mind than the silly focus on his one NeAFL game. He came third twice in poor sides. His body of work doesn’t justify pick 8 being involved. Potential based on a junior career is superseded by 100 games of actual AFL footy.

If GC aren’t ok with an offer of that magnitude then I’d bet the Blues just look past it. My memory (could be wrong) is he can nominate for PSD. Name his salary. Two year deal. If GC want to match it fine. Otherwise Melbs can. Or he gets to Blues that way. If that understanding isn’t correct then still fine, just make the sensible offer and if GC don’t like it move on.

 

[SickQwon]

Lachie Henderson finished his time at carlton in exactly the same way albeit VFL not NEAFL but same same, reserves team. He went for a 1st rounder.

...And Chris Yarran.

 

[Jirik13]

A lot of Carlton's fans here making Martin close to delisting material. SOS must lost his mind if he wants him on Carlton list. The true is he is an elite talent. Did he reach his potential? Definitely not. He did finish 2x 3rd B&F 2016, 2017 when Ablett, Lynch, May, Swallow, Prestia, Harbrow were/are on the team. The last year when he wanted out and this year he was not mentally in it. After bye this year he has checked out which I don't think reflect well on him. He is probably also not the most committed player off-field. He is shy, private person. Looking forward to see how he goes in Melbourne's bubble. FWIW, I think it will be 1st round pick.

 

[Peel67skin]

This would do wonders for your club's image and reputation. You've been struggling with player retention and happiness for years, and you think holding a player hostage and refusing to trade an out of contract player, not getting game time, is a good idea? Good luck signing up any of your young stars. Good luck getting any future draftees to sign on beyond the first 2 years.

You don't decide which draft he goes to. He'd nominate the PSD and we only have to compete with Melbourne. Not only are they not interested, but they can't afford him in their cap.

Seriously I already said GCS prepare to lose him for nothing, that mean if you want to get him from ND or Pre season is all up to you. Like I said many times, I rather get nothing from Martin then accept casboult. You keep talking about reputation, did GCS match Lynch restrict free agent or refuse to let May go who is still got one year contract to run last year.

 

[Brutalitops]

Seriously I already said GCS prepare to lose him for nothing, that mean if you want to get him from ND or Pre season is all up to you. Like I said many times, I rather get nothing from Martin then accept casboult.

This is just you being petulant. I doubt GC are as unreasonable as yourself.

 

[Peel67skin]

This is just you being petulant. I doubt GC are as unreasonable as yourself.

There is a history with Prestia and O meara, so you never know which face GCS put on during trade period.

 

[Brutalitops]

There is a history with Prestia and O meara, so you never know which face GCS put on during trade period.

Jarryd Lyons is more recent though

 

[zeggie]

Letting players go for nothing in spite sounds like an excellent list management strategy. Lol.

He's worth a mid to high second rounder. Why you'd prefer you get nothing for him is both baffling and amusing.

 

[Peel67skin]

Jarryd Lyons is more recent though

Jarryd lyons is basically disagree with his contract length. You never knew maybe he is getting 700k at GC during Clayton days front loaded like ablett.

 

[Peel67skin]

Letting players go for nothing in spite sounds like an excellent list management strategy. Lol.

He's worth a mid to high second rounder. Why you'd prefer you get nothing for him is both baffling and amusing.

For me is more like entertainment rather than amusing.LOL. You knew we can talk all days, in the end Tony Cochrane come out like meara trade and our opinion mean nothing. Remember is Cochrane reputation not mine or your. Why we need to do the dirty job, let the person higher up do it.

 

[Brutalitops]

Letting players go for nothing in spite sounds like an excellent list management strategy. Lol.

He's worth a mid to high second rounder. Why you'd prefer you get nothing for him is both baffling and amusing.

And while Casboult isnt the best player, he certainly adds protection for Lukosius and allows him to develop without getting 3 manned every game. I dont see Casboult being the defining faactor of the trade, more of a cherry on top.

 

[zeggie]

And while Casboult isnt the best player, he certainly adds protection for Lukosius and allows him to develop without getting 3 manned every game. I dont see Casboult being the defining faactor of the trade, more of a cherry on top.

All reports are GCS approached Cas. Not us offering him up. We don't even know if he will be involved in a trade. If the 2020 trigger in his Contract is an option, he'll just not trigger the option and go to them as an UFA.

 

[Peel67skin]

All reports are GCS approached Cas. Not us offering him up. We don't even know if he will be involved in a trade. If the 2020 trigger in his Contract is an option, he'll just not trigger the option and go to them as an UFA.

You are so wrong, GCS don't want to commited to over 30 + for long term contract. Just like you only offer Thomas and casboult one year contract last year for protection fees.

Superannuation fees with string attached, protection fees you can said good bye after one year. ( eg Thomas).

 

[zeggie]

Lol, so you want to trade out players for no return, and you don't want to trade in mature players to assist your young squad.

Your posts are becoming more and more bizarre.

 

[Brutalitops]

You are so wrong, GCS don't want to commited to over 30 + for long term contract. Just like you only offer Thomas and casboult one year contract last year for protection fees.

Superannuation fees with string attached, protection fees you can said good bye after one year. ( eg Thomas).

Casboult would take the best two defenders leaving Lukosius one out and able to develop. You might get two years of service out of him which should be just enough for Lukosius to come on.

 

[Lore]

You can, Carlton can paid him whatever the club like, even using pick 8 /9 with first year draftees wages, as long you don't violate ND draft rules. If Geelong prepare to get nothing from Tim Kelly and Tim nominate for ND draft, Carlton can paid first year draftees wages for him but I doubt Geelong can afford the risk compare to Gold Coast. MARTIN situation is no different to O meara to Hawthorn, out of contract, not in best and fairest due to injuries.

If you enter the draft as a mature age player then you can nominate your own salary on the form, and whoever drafts you is obliged to pay that amount. The chance of him going into the draft without nominating a salary is next to zero. The chance of him going into the draft at all is ridiculously low.

Carlton will get a trade done. Martin and his manager won't let it get to the point of going to the draft, if it gets that bad they'll find another club that can get the trade done. There is no incentive at all for anyone involved to force him through the draft.

 

[THE_GUN]

Gold Coast will probably have 4 picks already inside the top 20 with a PP and Ah Chee trade , Dont think a pick mid to late 2nd rounder around 35-40 will get used with all the kids they already have on their list.

Going to be an interesting trade period

hows this for a trade idea,Lets say if GC gets pick #19 from brisbane for Ah Chee
#14+#19+Martin to Carlton
#8 + 2020 Carlton 1st rounder to Gold Coast

 

[Foucault1989]

I rather get nothing for Jack Martin and send him to ND draft than paying Casboult money to be on GCS list.

If a half decent player agrees to be on the Gold Coast list certainly you'd jump for joy? There is not a long list...

 

[Peel67skin]

If a half decent player agrees to be on the Gold Coast list certainly you'd jump for joy? There is not a long list...

You can Get them through draft eg Gibbons and deluca without commited them to long term. Casboult is half decent but near expired date, you don't want to get food poisoining with food, same thing with players, Carlton used him until near expired date.

 

[SickQwon]

Don't know why Carlton would trade Casboult for Martin as Casboult is clearly a better player.

 

[Sickblue]

Gold Coast will probably have 4 picks already inside the top 20 with a PP and Ah Chee trade , Dont think a pick mid to late 2nd rounder around 35-40 will get used with all the kids they already have on their list.

Going to be an interesting trade period

hows this for a trade idea,Lets say if GC gets pick #19 from brisbane for Ah Chee
#14+#19+Martin to Carlton
#8 + 2020 Carlton 1st rounder to Gold Coast

That feels about right, but I think is 8 is already out the door for Papley.

I think it will end up being something like this; 2021 second round pick plus 2021 3rd round pick for Martin and a 2021 4th round pick. Essentially is a second rounder plus a pick upgrade for Martin which feels about right on balance.

 

[Peel67skin]

Don't know why Carlton would trade Casboult for Martin as Casboult is clearly a better player.

Exactly, I want Carlton fan to be happy, getting Martin like Lyons.

 

[Peel67skin]

If you enter the draft as a mature age player then you can nominate your own salary on the form, and whoever drafts you is obliged to pay that amount. The chance of him going into the draft without nominating a salary is next to zero. The chance of him going into the draft at all is ridiculously low.

Carlton will get a trade done. Martin and his manager won't let it get to the point of the draft, if it gets that bad they'll find another club that can get the trade done. There is not incentive at all for anyone involved to force him through the draft.

That is the explanation I expected or think is fair. Thanks Lore.

 

[Foucault1989]

You can Get them through draft eg Gibbons and deluca without commited them to long term. Casboult is half decent but near expired date, you don't want to get food poisoining with food, same thing with players, Carlton used him until near expired date.

Mate you can get them via the draft, but keeping them has and will continue to be a challenge for Gold Coast.

Honestly this is such an easy trade. Let's look at the facts. Martin is out of contract. Martin was dropped during the season and finished the season in the 2's. Martin has reportedly nominated Carlton. Those three facts impact upon his trade value.

Martin is worth an early to mid second round pick. No question. Gold Coast can play hardball, puff their chests out and try to pretend they have a leg to stand on. In reality, they barely constitute an AFL football club, have nothing short of a toxic past and arguably present, are located in the worst location for a sports team historically and will be forced to accept Carlton's best offer. You can say "send him to the draft" but we all know that is never going to happen.

 

[THE_GUN]

That feels about right, but I think is 8 is already out the door for Papley.

I think it will end up being something like this; 2021 second round pick plus 2021 3rd round pick for Martin and a 2021 4th round pick. Essentially is a second rounder plus a pick upgrade for Martin which feels about right on balance.

I think the 2020 draft picks are going to be a really hard sell for GC suns , They have been burnt last 2 years with future picks and would be wanting something for the now and not future.