Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[Pinpoint Pass]

Well they recieve something better seeing as 17/20/21 is lower than your 2nd rounder? Essendon get their middle first round pick that they have stated is his worth and its in a better draft in which youve complained about for 100 pages makes 5 into 7 in a weak draft. Its a win for stkilda because they get a better deal than offered by essendon, its just that you essendon flogs cry every time a scenario doesnt have 5 coming to you.

We have stated he's worth 5. Geelong just missed the finals this year and have added the best mid in the game with a few other additions. Next years pick is likely to be high teens.

Also there is nothing wrong with the quality at the high end this year and many think it's fine up until the mid 20's - 30 odd.

Your deal makes us wait a year for a worse pick. No thanks.

 

[Confuscius]

We send a message to the competition that you deal with us, or you lose your boy. I am okay with that message going out.

We did that not that long ago. Was going to send a great message to the comp too.

Few weeks later lost our player for nothing and he got to where he wanted to as well despite the threat of many other interested clubs (including ours) having picks before his preferred destination. Didn't really work out for us in the end

 

[cooperrules]

We don't have to "take what we can get" at all !

We could open up discussions with Carlton about Pick 19, and perhaps a player we rate (like Touey).
They may jump on that given the state of their KP stocks ATM.

We could open up discussions with the Bulldogs, who would gladly give up Pick 11 for a ready made KP defender.
They don't have anywhere near the Cap space the Saints do, but if we were to pay a portion of Jake's salary for a couple of seasons, and in return they also package up a player surplus to their needs (Hrovat) as a gesture of good will, that would easily trump what the a Saints appear to be offering.

Don't forget, Carlisle has NO affinity to the St.Kilda FC, he simply chose a Melbourne club that was offering the most money.
If we could assist another side in reaching Jake's pay demands, I'm sure he could be talked around thru his manager.

If worse comes to worse, and he goes PSD to Carlton, then at least we have sent a message to the competition, that we won't be walked over in future trade negotiations.
It worked quite well for Port Power with Nick Stevens, and then the Burgoyne negotiations several years later.

Even with the last option (Carlton in the PSD), we may still obtain a handy consolation prize of Aish in the PSD.

Don't assume that we won't explore some of these options, if the Saints continue to believe that a crapola Pick in the high teens (or worse) will get it done.

Personally, I think it should be.....
Carlisle and our 2nd Rounder
for
Pick 5 and your 3rd Rounder

See alan richardson

 

[Great8]

Just listening to Woosha today I have a feeling this trade wont be dragged out to the death. Think he really wants it out of the way quickly

 

[foj1]

couldnt agree more. great post!

You have said the same thing for 2 weeks buddy with no fair solution.
Just like your club.
If Carlisle was a free agent afl compensation dur to contract length and salary would be pick after ours pick 5
I have never said pick 5 outright is fair but you want you trade fairly
The ball has to be in the saints court

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Just listening to Woosha today I have a feeling this trade wont be dragged out to the death. Think he really wants it out of the way quickly

Where is this woosh interview?

 

[foj1]

We did that not that long ago. Was going to send a great message to the comp too.

Few weeks later lost our player for nothing and he got to where he wanted to as well despite the threat of many other interested clubs (including ours) having picks before his preferred destination. Didn't really work out for us in the end

Your club hasn't been thru what our club has.
One day it will be released how many of our players were offered deals why still under contract due to injections scheme. It's a miracle how the damage has been minimalised

 

[Laverde]

2 posts in a row; the Bigfooty equivalent of liking your own post. Take a breath and relax mate. Plenty of time for decisions to be made by people who are paid to make them.

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[Port182]

lol, I love how the Saints fans here think they'll walk away from Carlisle.

You've thrown him $700k a year, interviewed him four times, taken him on a tour of Seaford. He'll be at the Saints next year in a trade.

He's worth a top 10 pick. It's not Essendon's job to get that done. He won't be going to the PSD and he WILL be at St.Kilda next year.

Pay up.

 

[foj1]

Its like a tug of war. If Saints lose they will fall forward onto a matress. If Essendon lose they will fall into a spiked pit.

Hardly you finished one spot above us while we have dealt with the biggest scandal in afl history
We lose him to Carlton and get aish would be a better result
We lose him to Carlton and get nothing is a better result as you have to stand your ground
You offer this massive contract and then won't pony up with a fair trade

 

[Defacto]

Just listening to Woosha today I have a feeling this trade wont be dragged out to the death. Think he really wants it out of the way quickly

Link?

 

[Laverde]

What if we trade Carlisle and our first round next year for the saints first and second picks

 

[Great8]

Where is this woosh interview?

On 5aa today.
Said that the Saints have pick 5 and Jake is worth it. There was a hypothetical trade mentioned where Essendon got pick 9 and he said they would seriously think of that if offered but as yet the Saints havnt offered anything yet and he hopes that a deal is done in good time so they can look at other potential trades

 

[Defacto]

You have said the same thing for 2 weeks buddy with no fair solution.
Just like your club.
If Carlisle was a free agent afl compensation dur to contract length and salary would be pick after ours pick 5
I have never said pick 5 outright is fair but you want you trade fairly
The ball has to be in the saints court

The ball is in our court but we are ahead on the clock and can just watch it click over..

We are not the one that loses the most from this falling over

 

[Defacto]

lol, I love how the Saints fans here think they'll walk away from Carlisle.

You've thrown him $700k a year, interviewed him four times, taken him on a tour of Seaford. He'll be at the Saints next year in a trade.

He's worth a top 10 pick. It's not Essendon's job to get that done. He won't be going to the PSD and he WILL be at St.Kilda next year.

Pay up.

And if the saints dont pay up... then what?

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

On 5aa today.
Said that the Saints have pick 5 and Jake is worth it. There was a hypothetical trade mentioned where Essendon got pick 9 and he said they would seriously think of that if offered but as yet the Saints havnt offered anything yet and he hopes that a deal is done in good time so they can look at other potential trades

Ah damn, thanks mate

 

[Port182]

And if the saints dont pay up... then what?

That's not how it works. Someone will blink. He's not going to the PSD, Saints won't risk it for a player they obviously want.

 

[Fantasic Oreo]

This thread has driven me nuts, I'm willing to accept Shenton or Geary.

 

[Keystone agony]

What if we trade Carlisle and our first round next year for the saints first and second picks

Jayden you need to stick to playing football and not worrying about trading players from your side for a packet of black and gold toothpaste. Keep to the on field stuff, you were right in saying that the club you play for will win a flag before the club in question relating to Carlisle. Please let those who are paid the big bucks to do the trade deals.

 

[Laverde]

The saints need to keep pick 5 for josh Kelly they have nothing to give us except billings

 

[Defacto]

That's not how it works. Someone will blink. He's not going to the PSD, Saints won't risk it for a player they obviously want.

And what happens if they dont agree to anything essendon want?

 

[Wiz83]

St. Kilda have their poker faces on & are playing blind mans bluff as they've already stated numerous times that they have a hard on for Carlisle.
They want their cake & eat it too but it ain't gonna happen. They are going to have to give up pick 5 or come up with another first round pick.

 

[Laverde]

Jayden you need to stick to playing football and not worrying about trading players from your side for a packet of black and gold toothpaste. Keep to the on field stuff, you were right in saying that the club you play for will win a flag before the club in question relating to Carlisle. Please let those who are paid the big bucks to do the trade deals.

The guys getting paid to do the trades don't seem to be working very hard

 

[Pinpoint Pass]

What if we trade Carlisle and our first round next year for the saints first and second picks

Please stop!!

 

[foj1]

And if the saints dont pay up... then what?

Traditionally what happens is you will lose
If you get him so be it
You are not trading in good faith if you have only offered a second rounder and fringe player for Carlisle.
I can't wait until billings is out of contract