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Well clearly but labeling it stalking is like saying me giving you a friendly punch on the shoulder is assault. It's just the media trying to go back to making St Kilda the bad guy when it's one player having a hard time getting over a girlfriend.
if the attention is unwanted then it is stalking. It's also harassment. The fact that an intervention order was taken out to stop him just proves it. Why are you sticking up for a man who obviously has a problem and needs help? I mean just because he plays for St Kilda you feel the need to tirelessly defend him even though he has broken the law?? What are you about 12?
 
How do you know he was following her?
You have shown in previous posts that you don't considering texting/harassment is stalking...despite in the eyes of the law it is classed as stalking.

Having had my sister been through this crap recently I can differently see the effects and how it is classed as stalking.

I generally feel for any women in your life if you seriously don't consider 98 texts after an Intervention order is granted as not stalking.

Get a clue.
 
You have shown in previous posts that you don't considering texting/harassment is stalking...despite in the eyes of the law it is classed as stalking.

Having had my sister been through this crap recently I can differently see the effects and how it is classed as stalking.

I generally feel for any women in your life if you seriously don't consider 98 texts after an Intervention order is granted as not stalking.

Get a clue.
So you lied about him following her then?
 
if the attention is unwanted then it is stalking. It's also harassment. The fact that an intervention order was taken out to stop him just proves it. Why are you sticking up for a man who obviously has a problem and needs help? I mean just because he plays for St Kilda you feel the need to tirelessly defend him even though he has broken the law?? What are you about 12?

No I defend him because it's another overblown story to sell papers. Yes he's done something wrong but if you think this isn't overblown for what's actually happened you just enjoy the slander against St Kilda despite the offence, what are YOU, about 12?
 
Any chance to sink the boots in eh?
Keep up that victim mentality champ, it isn't a club issue it is about a AFL player that has a serious behavioural issue that needs help.

And individuals like yourself who downplay it can hopefully learn a valuable life lesson in the effects of stalking on another person and why it is looks down upon.
 
Some Saints fans are delusional, you should be more like most of your fellow supporters and pull your heads in and hope your club acts accordingly whether it be bring the hammer down or offer him help.. or both. Get some culture into your club its pathetic as are the supporters here defending his actions. It must embarrass your decent supporters. Show some balls, not shiny ones from your skipper this time.
 
No I defend him because it's another overblown story to sell papers. Yes he's done something wrong but if you think this isn't overblown for what's actually happened you just enjoy the slander against St Kilda despite the offence, what are YOU, about 12?

Hardly.

The club has suspended him for this as recently as last month.

If St Kilda thinks it's serious....why don't you?
 
Some Saints fans are delusional, you should be more like most of your fellow supporters and pull your heads in and hope your club acts accordingly whether it be bring the hammer down or offer him help.. or both. Get some culture into your club its pathetic as are the supporters here defending his actions. It must embarrass your decent supporters. Show some balls, not shiny ones from your skipper this time.

To be fair, we're not all defending this....in fact, far more are taking the opposite view.

I don't see how you being immature about it reflects that your opinion is to be taken seriously though, I was with you until you dropped the bar towards the end.
 

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Some Saints fans are delusional, you should be more like most of your fellow supporters and pull your heads in and hope your club acts accordingly whether it be bring the hammer down or offer him help.. or both. Get some culture into your club its pathetic as are the supporters here defending his actions. It must embarrass your decent supporters. Show some balls, not shiny ones from your skipper this time.
Barry hall. Kurt Tippett. Say no more.
 
Gee what is it with St Kilda? Almost every off season something happens with them and a female victim. Reminds me of the st kilda sex scandals and cover ups of the last few years. Some of you saints fans should be ashamed for defending this behaviour, it really is not a good look.
 
And lol that j was right hours ago. Contacting an ex to excess. 98 messages over how long? A week? A day? Massage it however. Bloke harasses ex girlfriend. I certainly don't give a **** so long as its not threatening. He sent her flowers? Ooh what a prick!
 
Some Saints fans are delusional, you should be more like most of your fellow supporters and pull your heads in and hope your club acts accordingly whether it be bring the hammer down or offer him help.. or both. Get some culture into your club its pathetic as are the supporters here defending his actions. It must embarrass your decent supporters. Show some balls, not shiny ones from your skipper this time.

tee hee hee - shiny balls
 
And lol that j was right hours ago. Contacting an ex to excess. 98 messages over how long? A week? A day? Massage it however. Bloke harasses ex girlfriend. I certainly don't give a **** so long as its not threatening. He sent her flowers? Ooh what a prick!

I care.

He isn't allowed to.

He is disturbing her enough for police to be involved multiple times.

He needs help, not excuses.

The club has taken it serious enough as recently as last month, so I'm confident they won't be as flippant about it as you are.
 

Nah, not as simple as throwing a blanket word like that over it.

It disregards players who do pull their head in, and we have more of those than not.

The new coach must have a chance to pave a direction forward, I'll give him some time, certainly something needs to be done.
 
TI don't see how you being immature about it reflects that your opinion is to be taken seriously though, I was with you until you dropped the bar towards the end.

I was just trying to keep it light hearted.
 
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