Traded Jason Horne-Francis [to Port Adelaide in multi-club trade]

[philthy05]

Are GWS looking to use picks 3, 12, 15, 18 and 19 purely for the draft? Or do they want to get some players in via trade?

Maybe we could upgrade pick 33 or 43 for one those later picks and offer up Byrne-Jones or Bonner?

We genuinely need to trade away a player for 2nd round. Can't see it happening another way.

Hayes, Drew, Bonner, DBJ, Farrell. DBJ with most value in that lot perhaps as an All-Australian and club BnF although he was off it best this year. I know he just resigned but yeah either him or Drew

In all seriousness North have actually done fine out of this deal. So have West Coast. GWS showed up, bent over and handed over the lube to make it work for everyone else, and I salute them for it.

Yeah I think north have done well. What more can you hope for to get for a player that wants out than a similar pick + a future 1st on top. That’s a good deal.

Also west coast, despite people knocking them to get out of pick 2 and the private school vic boys and into hewett territory , whose not far behind, if at all those vic boys plus get another pick. That’s good for them.

Ports given up a lot, but the fact we get future 2nds and 3rds back helps a lot,

In the end rozee butters jhf Bergman sinn to look forward too in our midfield.

I really rate that group of players as a future midfield. High end young talent there.

 

[SnowRoo]

Pending AFL permission we have two first rounders, two second rounders and three third rounders to play with. Some combination of those picks, creatively traded, will be enough to get JHF. If there are any scraps left over we can send them your way for Rioli out of the goodness of our heart rather than take him in the PSD.

Plenty to get pick 2 and Rioli.

Not sure where the additions to pick 2 for JHF come from, 3 thirds won't turn the tide

 

[Granny Duurs is Lovely]

Every day something new seems to come up with this trade. All parties are clearly working to get it done - which makes it seem much more likely to get done.

Look and lions/dogs about Dunkley. No movement. Same for Lobb.

It may be that one club loses out of this deal but is willing to take a loss to get what they want. Most likely candidate is GWS given they don't seem likely to use all their picks right now.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

The trade will absolutely get done. Clearly all clubs are talking an negotiating. Just a waiting game now before our prized number 1 pick returns home

Dunkley deal probably doesn’t get done

 

[SnowRoo]

The trade will absolutely get done. Clearly all clubs are talking an negotiating. Just a waiting game now before our prized number 1 pick returns home

Dunkley deal probably doesn’t get done

Thankfully cooler heads than all of us still have 5 days to work through things.

I'm sure they are looking for possibilities and North would be trying to work with Jase to make thing tenable for 23 if it doesn't work out.

Now Dunkley for PSD 1..... I'm in

 

[Ports1870]

Brisbane
Gain: Pick 19, 40
Lose: 21, Future 2nd

Geelong
Gain: 53
Lose: Esava Ratugoela

GWS
Gain: Pick 1
Lose: Pick 3, 12, 19

North Melbourne
Gain: Pick 2,3, 43, Future 1st (Port)
Lose: Jason Horne-Francis, Pick 1

Port Adelaide
Gain: Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, Esava Ratugoela
Lose: Pick 8, 33, 43, 53, Future 1st

West Coast
Gain: 8, 12, 33, Future Second (Brisbane)
Lose: 2, 40, Junior Rioli

 

[SnowRoo]

Brisbane
Gain: Pick 19, 40
Lose: 21, Future 2nd

Geelong
Gain: 53
Lose: Esava Ratugoela

GWS
Gain: Pick 1
Lose: Pick 3, 12, 19

North Melbourne
Gain: Pick 2,3, 43, Future 1st (Port)
Lose: Jason Horne-Francis, Pick 1

Port Adelaide
Gain: Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, Esava Ratugoela
Lose: Pick 8, 33, 43, 53, Future 1st

West Coast
Gain: 8, 12, 33, Future Second (Brisbane)
Lose: 2, 40, Junior Rioli

Can't see us downgrading 2 pick 1s for a 3rd and end of 1st round.

Currently looking for more than Pick 12 to downgrade just 1

Actually you had 1 traded for 3, 12, 19 let's just stop there no need to downgrade it

 

[Schulzenfest]

Can't see us downgrading 2 pick 1s for a 3rd and end of 1st round.

Jesus Christ you people are ridiculous. That's an excellent deal for North Melbourne.

 

[SnowRoo]

GWS
Gain: Pick 1
Lose: Pick 3, 12, 19

This bit almost makes sense.

Now using this as a baseline.

A No.1, homegrown talent, 12 months of development, proven at the level and contracted. Who would be taken ahead of that No.1 you value at 3, 12 and 19.

That's the minimum you need to be talking if you want JHF , see the problem Port have?

 

[Scotland]

Port Adelaide
Gain: Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, Esava Ratugoela
Lose: Pick 8, 33, 43, 53, Future 1st

So in other words Port give up the 8 and future first North rejected, and throwing in the 3 picks they got for 27 gets them Rioli and Ratagolea. Cool.

 

[SnowRoo]

Jesus Christ you people are ridiculous. That's an excellent deal for North Melbourne.

You have to be joking right.

2, Ports F1 and a 3rd is vastly inferior to 3, 12, 19 and for a superior product.

Unfortunately you currently don't even have the capital for even the inferior deal.

 

[Kangas_11]

Jesus Christ you people are ridiculous. That's an excellent deal for North Melbourne.

No it's not. Definitely if this is the full deal for North:

North Melbourne
Gain: Pick 2,3, 43, Future 1st (Port)
Lose: Jason Horne-Francis, Pick 1

North have already said that for JHF Port need to get one of their picks into the top 5 and add that to their F1. Pick 2 + F1 is that part of the equation.

The remainder is pick 1 + 43 for pick 3. No way in hell that gets it done.

It's been done to death, but Port can't keep coming back to the table with the same garbage just repackaged.

 

[SnowRoo]

No it's not. Definitely if this is the full deal for North:

North Melbourne
Gain: Pick 2,3, 43, Future 1st (Port)
Lose: Jason Horne-Francis, Pick 1

North have already said that for JHF Port need to get one of their picks into the top 5 and add that to their F1. Pick 2 + F1 is that part of the equation.

The remainder is pick 1 + 43 for pick 3. No way in hell that gets it done.

It's been done to death, but Port can't keep coming back to the table with the same garbage just repackaged.

Just hurts, when they see GWS paying it's 3, 12, 19

When Port pays it's 8, 14ish and a bag of chips.

I get club bias and all but please ..... Just 1 step of logic

 

[DocSholl]

Jesus Christ you people are ridiculous. That's an excellent deal for North Melbourne.

Your trade has pick 1 going to GWS for 3, 12 and 19.

That would mean North then trades JHF for pick 2, and 12 and 19 become 43 and your future first. Why would they do that?

They'd be better off just doing the deal with GWS separately.

 

[Farang83150]

Port will part with more than that. But the more that we part with will be more middling picks or maybe a Bonner/Drew type, not your dream result of Georgiades or North's dream result of Butters. At best somebody might shake someone like Bergman out of us. It'll be done with quantity, not quality.

Quantitys not needed, quality is, ports the team that NEEDS the other teams pics, it's a simple as that, you need what we have and if you need it bad enough you pay overs.

 

[HugeJohnson]

8, F1, F2, 33 should be enough for Horne Francis, with North F3 coming back

Realistically 43 should be enough for Ratagolea

North future 3rd for Rioli or just let him go to PSD

 

[SnowRoo]

8, F1, F2, 33 should be enough for Horne Francis, with North F3 coming back

Realistically 43 should be enough for Ratagolea

North future 3rd for Rioli or just let him go to PSD

Turn F2 and 33 into a top 10 pick and you're close

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

It may be that one club loses out of this deal but is willing to take a loss to get what they want. Most likely candidate is GWS given they don't seem likely to use all their picks right now.

Your team is the one that wants everything.
Why don't you take the loss instead of just roping in other teams and not increase your offers

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

8, F1, F2, 33 should be enough for Horne Francis, with North F3 coming back

Realistically 43 should be enough for Ratagolea

North future 3rd for Rioli or just let him go to PSD

That's worse than Adelaides offer last year, no chance

 

[Farang83150]

Every day something new seems to come up with this trade. All parties are clearly working to get it done - which makes it seem much more likely to get done.

Look and lions/dogs about Dunkley. No movement. Same for Lobb.

It may be that one club loses out of this deal but is willing to take a loss to get what they want. Most likely candidate is GWS given they don't seem likely to use all their picks right now.

So ports the only one that needs the deal yet another team takes the hit?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

On the eagles side I suspect it will be close to:

Eagles lose pick 2, pick 26, Rioli
Eagles gain pick 8 (Port), pick 12 (GWS), pick 19 (GWS)

Eagles reamed there.

 

[Scotland]

It may be that one club loses out of this deal but is willing to take a loss to get what they want. Most likely candidate is GWS given they don't seem likely to use all their picks right now.

What on earth?

GWS have 31 senior listed players including Jacob Hopper, Lachie Whitfield, Nick Haynes who have threads on this board.

They have picks 3, 12, 15, 18, 19. They aren't going to throw away top 20 picks because it benefits Port. There is some talk they want pick 1. Downgrading pick 1 to pick 3 is worth another first round pick, and no doubt North will ask for 12. It's not worth two first rounders. If GWS offered us 3 + 12 for 2 I imagine we'd take it. If we offered them 2 for 3 + multiple firsts I imagine they'd laugh.

Even if GWS do think that upgrading from pick 3 to pick 1 is worth multiple firsts that has nothing to do with Port or JHF. North could go to the draft with 3, 12, 18 for example and keep JHF another year.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Your trade has pick 1 going to GWS for 3, 12 and 19.

That would mean North then trades JHF for pick 2, and 12 and 19 become 43 and your future first. Why would they do that?

They'd be better off just doing the deal with GWS separately.

That's not my trade, and I think GWS would be absolutely insane to do that trade.

Quantitys not needed, quality is, ports the team that NEEDS the other teams pics, it's a simple as that, you need what we have and if you need it bad enough you pay overs.

Last time Port had a top 5 pick we got it over a series of trades by trading out Jared Polec and a bunch of second and third rounders. Just because you desperately want Port to give up a gun player, doesn't mean we have to.

That's worse than Adelaides offer last year, no chance

Of course it is. You had your chance of getting Adelaide's offer last year. You should have taken it. Most Crows fans are relieved that you didn't. It's gone now and it's never coming back. And if you don't trade JHF this year, his value will fall further still.

North fans seem to somehow think that a homesick kid who is acting unprofessionally and not playing to anywhere near his potential as a result is somehow an appreciating asset? It's ludicrous. The longer North hold him, the poorer his attitude will probably get, the closer he gets to being uncontracted, and the lower his value will drop.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think WC and North supporters are getting carried away with the idea of pick 1 and 2 rather than how the clubs will be thinking and that being "who am I getting at those picks"

Throw the values out the window, short of every media person lying / getting it wrong, North are open to essentially JHF and pick 1 into 2, 3 and an extra future 1st and WC appear to like what's available and 8 and 12 enough to part with 2.

Both will need top-ups somehow but it wouldnt be an extra 1st round pick of any sort chucked in

 

[Scotland]

I think WC and North supporters are getting carried away with the idea of pick 1 and 2 rather than how the clubs will be thinking and that being "who am I getting at those picks"

Throw the values out the window, short of every media person lying / getting it wrong, North are open to essentially JHF and pick 1 into 2, 3 and an extra future 1st and WC appear to like what's available and 8 and 12 enough to part with 2.

Both will need top-ups somehow but it wouldnt be an extra 1st round pick of any sort chucked in

So something like this?

WC

OUT: 2
IN: 8, 12, 33

North

OUT: JHF, 1
IN: 2, 3, future 1st (Port), future 2nd (Port)

GWS

OUT: 3, 12
IN: 1

Port

OUT: 8, 33, future 1st, future 2nd
IN: JHF

I still don't see North going for it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

So something like this?

WC

OUT: 2
IN: 8, 12, 33

North

OUT: JHF, 1
IN: 2, 3, future 1st (Port), future 2nd (Port)

GWS

OUT: 3, 12
IN: 1

Port

OUT: 8, 33, future 1st, future 2nd
IN: JHF

I still don't see North going for it.

North just flat out arent getting a better deal than that, it would be insane not to take it. If North are genuinely open to trading down from 1 then they take that deal

That's too much from Port (even aside the approval needed for the F1/F2) though but other things could even it out