Game Day JLT2 - Carlton vs Collingwood - Monday 11th March 2.10PM @ Morwell - Final Team Post #777

[Jimmae]

Kruezer 173 games. Lobbe 98. Phillips 36. If Phillips can stay on the park he has so much improvement in him

How many times has that been said over his 8 year career? This is approaching Warnock levels of delusion.

At least he's not on a big contract, I suppose.

 

[zeeCFC]

Oh God, Warnock...that's a name I'd hoped to never hear again. We let Sauce go for that guy...

 

[Soapy V]

Won't be able to fit them all in. Will be interesting to see which mids get left out for round 1.

All the fit mids. I reckon we can

Cripps Curnow Murphy Setterfield Kennedy LOB Dow Walsh SPS & Fisher can all be in Round One. Cuningham & Gibbons as forwards

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

No one's rushing Kreuzer, and Phillips sank like a stone after half time.

O'Brien is the only one of the names you've thrown into the mix that looks ready to go for round 1. If you watched the VFL game, Kennedy looks like he's working through another ankle issue, while Stocker looks like he has concrete shoes on at present (though his top speed and physicality are exciting).

Um isn’t this thread about JLT v Pies????
I would like to see those guys given a go in that game.
35deg and the fact that Lobbe was given a run prob explained why we didn’t see much of Phillips after half time.
I would ve thought the other 3 deserve a run, even if they’re not in the mix for rd 1, although O’B definitely should be.
Schu and Polson surely aren’t in contention for rd 1, so i’d Prefer to see the others next week.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Um isn’t this thread about JLT v Pies????
I would like to see those guys given a go in that game.
35deg and the fact that Lobbe was given a run prob explained why we didn’t see much of Phillips after half time.
I would ve thought the other 3 deserve a run, even if they’re not in the mix for rd 1, although O’B definitely should be.
Schu and Polson surely aren’t in contention for rd 1, so i’d Prefer to see the others next week.

Agree except for the fact of Polson. He will be in the mix going by the past dozen Carlton teams picked. Wether he should be is another matter.We all can argue that forever but to no purpose because only a small few know the real facts. Coaches.

 

[F_therest]

Agree except for the fact of Polson. He will be in the mix going by the past dozen Carlton teams picked. Wether he should be is another matter.We all can argue that forever but to no purpose because only a small few know the real facts. Coaches.

I'm in the camp of people who don't really think Polson is up to AFL standard.
I like his endeavour but personally think we need to have someone better than him in his position.

Club has been rewarding attitude and hard workers the last few years to set the right culture...getting rid of talented but lazy players like Jaksch, Boek, Sumner etc.

Polson fits that mould.
Last year he basically had no competition for a spot...Cunners was injured and out of form, ditto Garlett, LeBois is even further behind, Pickett injured etc.

Now he potentially has Cuningham and Gibbons to compete with and i would much prefer those 2 than Polson atm.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I'm in the camp of people who don't really think Polson is up to AFL standard.
I like his endeavour but personally think we need to have someone better than him in his position.

Club has been rewarding attitude and hard workers the last few years to set the right culture...getting rid of talented but lazy players like Jaksch, Boek, Sumner etc.

Polson fits that mould.
Last year he basically had no competition for a spot...Cunners was injured and out of form, ditto Garlett, LeBois is even further behind, Pickett injured etc.

Now he potentially has Cuningham and Gibbons to compete with and i would much prefer those 2 than Polson atm.

Something seriously wrong if Polson is best 22 ahead of those 2

 

[HBF]

Yep,close to our round 1 team

Anyone going to the valley ?

Would love to but just not able to get down there.

 

[HBF]

This game will tell us more about our coming season and structures. Unfortunately, Collingwood is a very good side.

Wins aren't important in the JLT. As you rightly pointed out, its more about getting are structures and gameplan right in readiness for round 1.

 

[ESKIE]

The Yinnar Fire isnt far from Morwell, weather forecast is mid 20’s but you’d reckon the air quality wouldn’t be that good

 

[chunkylover53]

Am I the only one who thinks we look better without Kreuzer? Love the guy but Phillips wins hit outs and can get dangerous around the grounds on his day. Lobbe is a good backup.

Kreuzer has this 'extra midfielder' label that he's carried the past decade but realistically he loses taps and doesn't rack up disposals, he's just good at getting a fingertip on the footy in congested situations which can sometimes work in our favour. Now that we have potentially the worlds tallest midfield group all capable of doing that I really don't think Kreuzer will add much value vs Phillips or Lobbe. Not a knock on the guy, he's been amazing for us and love him to death, just reckon injuries have just about finished him and we have 2 other guys who straighten us up more.

LOB and Kennedy in, Garlett and Polson out? Would like to see Stocker get a run.

 

[HBF]

Of course not....I hate Collingwood.

Don't we all.

 

[HBF]

I would like to see Kreuzer play at least a half.

Only if he's ready to go.

 

[Opine]

Am I the only one who thinks we look better without Kreuzer? Love the guy but Phillips wins hit outs and can get dangerous around the grounds on his day. Lobbe is a good backup.

Kreuzer has this 'extra midfielder' label that he's carried the past decade but realistically he loses taps and doesn't rack up disposals, he's just good at getting a fingertip on the footy in congested situations which can sometimes work in our favour. Now that we have potentially the worlds tallest midfield group all capable of doing that I really don't think Kreuzer will add much value vs Phillips or Lobbe. Not a knock on the guy, he's been amazing for us and love him to death, just reckon injuries have just about finished him and we have 2 other guys who straighten us up more.

LOB and Kennedy in, Garlett and Polson out? Would like to see Stocker get a run.

No you're not alone. I agree with almost everything you said; except that the part that he is almost finished. He is not finished, and for that reason he should, although I fear he won't, attract good offers from other sides. Anyway, that's a discussion for end of year.

Ps, standby, I think your gonna get smashed for even contemplating what you have posted above

 

[Opine]

Am I the only one who thinks we look better without Kreuzer? Love the guy but Phillips wins hit outs and can get dangerous around the grounds on his day. Lobbe is a good backup.

Kreuzer has this 'extra midfielder' label that he's carried the past decade but realistically he loses taps and doesn't rack up disposals, he's just good at getting a fingertip on the footy in congested situations which can sometimes work in our favour. Now that we have potentially the worlds tallest midfield group all capable of doing that I really don't think Kreuzer will add much value vs Phillips or Lobbe. Not a knock on the guy, he's been amazing for us and love him to death, just reckon injuries have just about finished him and we have 2 other guys who straighten us up more.

LOB and Kennedy in, Garlett and Polson out? Would like to see Stocker get a run.

btw, I don't agree re Garlett being dropped; he had a very very good game, and has some real upside.

 

[jezzatigerbrent]

Cripps on SEN - Whately v Soon

 

[JustaBattler]

Well we know that Marchbank and Williamson wont be ready to go for a few weeks - which leaves Kreuzer and Fasolo as the only remaining question marks. LoB and Kennedy were apparently being managed to get more mileage in their legs so played full VFL games to do so - I'd expect both to be playing in JLT2. Newman/Setterfield and Walsh all stood out as probable starting 22 - again you'd think they will be playing JLT2 as well.

maybe the #1 'test' for Carlton will be some fine tuning of how to stop rebound run - something that saw EssenDONE pile on 6 unanswered goals from nowhere in JLT1.

center bounce wins will be massive in 2019 - and Collingwood have the speed and pace to score quickly from teh 666 set-up now imposed and seemingly working as planned - however the same can be said for Carlton who are now not short of a bit of explosive speed nor tall tagets in forward 50. Collingwood can start to feel a bit itchy and scratchy about Carlton having 3 genuine tall marking targets running around instead of Levi and his concrete boots and wicket keeper mitts.

Collingwood 'clicked' into their game against Carlton last year- when they 'discovered' the easiest way to win was to use their superior running capability and run around Carlton's non existent midfield defensive structures and then through it. They applied the same formula well enough to get to a GF - totally unexpected by anyone. They will be difficult to contain between the arcs and another test of stopping rebound running goals will see whether Bolton and his coaching staff have actually got any idea about how to stop a slew of goals happening again...

All that said - it is only a training run and neither tam will be going flat out for 4 quarters. I hope to see signs that Kennedy is finally fit and maybe Ed doesn't waste his time pretending to be a forward - so that we see the beginnings of what should be both sets of inside on ball rotations for 2019 all playing together.

Nothing wrong with announcing a harder, tougher faster Carlton midfield - again - AND we might get a glimpse of who Bolton is going to add to Newman for some genuine hurt factor down back - I'm still a sneaky fan of Setterfield/Murphy and even Walsh as rotations in the rebound spot.

Plowman Jones Newman
Murphy Weitering Thomas /Garlett

LoB Cripps Walsh
Kreuzer Kennedy SPS

Fisher Charlie Cuningham
McGovern Harry Fasolo

IC: Dow/Setterfield/Simpson/(Thomas/Garlett)

EM: SOJ/Gibbons/Phillips/Lobbe

 

[Opine]

Am I the only one who thinks we look better without Kreuzer? Love the guy but Phillips wins hit outs and can get dangerous around the grounds on his day. Lobbe is a good backup.

Kreuzer has this 'extra midfielder' label that he's carried the past decade but realistically he loses taps and doesn't rack up disposals, he's just good at getting a fingertip on the footy in congested situations which can sometimes work in our favour. Now that we have potentially the worlds tallest midfield group all capable of doing that I really don't think Kreuzer will add much value vs Phillips or Lobbe. Not a knock on the guy, he's been amazing for us and love him to death, just reckon injuries have just about finished him and we have 2 other guys who straighten us up more.

LOB and Kennedy in, Garlett and Polson out? Would like to see Stocker get a run.

And don't fall for the CD meters gained nonsense if its put up as an argument against your opinion on MK. He's a ruckman, judge him on ruck stats and time on the park uninjured stats. That's what matters. All the other stuff is fluff.

Good luck

 

[Arr0w]

And don't fall for the CD meters gained nonsense if its put up as an argument against your opinion on MK. He's a ruckman, judge him on ruck stats and time on the park uninjured stats. That's what matters. All the other stuff is fluff.

Good luck

Surely you are not suggesting that ruckmen should only be assessed purely by their ruck contests

 

[Stamos]

Kreuzer is very underrated by some people on this board.
When fit, he's in the top 5 rucks in the League.
2017 he was the best ruck in the game.

 

[Opine]

Surely you are not suggesting that ruckmen should only be assessed purely by their ruck contests

No, but surely you cant select a ruckman on his prowess as a potential spare midfielder. If you have 3 ruckman ready to go, and 2 are better hitout performers than the third,you don't select the third because he can potentially play as a midfielder. You want your ruckman to dominate at tapouts. If he is a midfielder then play him as a midfielder. I want our rucks to dominate the ruck craft above all else.

 

[Arr0w]

No, but surely you cant select a ruckman on his prowess as a potential spare midfielder. If you have 3 ruckman ready to go, and 2 are better hitout performers than the third,you don't select the third because he can potentially play as a midfielder. You want your ruckman to dominate at tapouts. If he is a midfielder then play him as a midfielder. I want our rucks to dominate the ruck craft above all else.

I think that is a tad simplistic and or a view that was footy 30 years ago

Pointless having the best tap ruckman if the do little else, compared to other options.

While I really like Phillips who has different strengths to MK, his overall game, falls slightly short

The 666, adds yet another strength to MK's game, which improves our side as a whole

 

[Opine]

Its not as if Phillips or Lobbe were poor around the ground last week either. Both had a good game. Anyone that says otherwise is watching the game through algorithm obscured glasses.

 

[Opine]

I think that is a tad simplistic and or a view that was footy 30 years ago

Pointless having the best tap ruckman if the do little else, compared to other options.

While I really like Phillips who has different strengths to MK, his overall game, falls slightly short

The 666, adds yet another strength to MK's game, which improves our side as a whole

Sure it doesn't make sense if they do nothing else. But that wasn't the case the other evening.
Phillips's game didn't appear to fall away last week; he spent time on the bench, i assume to let Lobbe get some game time.
I don't see how the 666 will benefit MK. He strength has been his ability to negate opposition ruckman from gaining a clear tap rather than winning the tapouts.

 

[skadoosh]

No, but surely you cant select a ruckman on his prowess as a potential spare midfielder. If you have 3 ruckman ready to go, and 2 are better hitout performers than the third,you don't select the third because he can potentially play as a midfielder. You want your ruckman to dominate at tapouts. If he is a midfielder then play him as a midfielder. I want our rucks to dominate the ruck craft above all else.

I would pick whichever ruckman gives us the best chance of winning.