Player Watch Jordan De Goey

[cwoodgal]

I feel like the massive over reaction to these situations regarding JDG, Ginni etc have a lot to do with everyone just hating Collingwood. Can guarantee if these blokes played for other teams the outcry wouldn't be so bad. I wish the media and haters would just back off. They've all apologised. End of. Move on already.

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[sr36]

You think the blowback about something Collingwood has done, like stick up for the alleged womaniser DeGoey, would blow over quickly?

We would be hearing about it for 30 years as we have Winmar at Vic Park.

Specifics of the situation would be forgotten and the narrative, peddled by the media, would be we stuck up for the blokey DeGoey over respecting women.

That's the thing. I don't think they needed to stick up for Degoey - that would have been fraught, but I would have liked them to have done it anyway. The bit I'm really furious about is the IQ and Quaynor part. They needed to stick up for IQ and Quaynor and point out obviously horrendous defamatory media harassment and hope it came back to benefit JDG - and I believe it would have. The Hun gave them a free swing and they chose to side with the Hun and state that the boys needed re-education.

And as for the 30 years - I'm very confident that the tide will eventually turn and it's the horrendous kangaroo courts being fronted by the like of Robbo and Kane Cornes and Jone Brown etc at the becking of media companies that will be condemned in the future.

 

[KinderSmock]

I've heard that DeGoey does not surround himself with good influences. Enablers and sycophants. It seems they would be telling him what a lot of people here are saying, the club didn't stand by you, you did nothing wrong, they didn't suspend you because they just want you to play but don't care about you. There are a dozen other negative thoughts that could be going through his mind that are not being helped by these kinds of people.

Jordy speaks as if he has a growth mind set, but really the guy comes across as if underneath it all he is blaming others for his own bad decisions. This is not helped by the people around him.

The funny thing is, the people around him are the ones that did the video and posted it. They are the ones that are having a negative influence on his growth, just as so often happens. It'll be likely he will realise this when his fame dissipates and his money dwindles and he is a pretty regular 35 year old guy, wondering who his true friends really are.

I'd be ok if he didn't play again for us and left at the end of the year as this would show the kind of character he is. Blame the club for his own mistakes, likely influenced by the voices around him.

Even though the video wasn't "suspension worthy" and was a media driven controversy, he still decided to put himself in a situation where a controversy could happen. A person with common sense would come to that conclusion.

If he takes responsibility, comes back to the club and signs back on, we might finally have evidence of him growing.

To those still annoyed that he has been wronged, you can only control your actions. You need to analyse them to see if you could have made better choices. Hopefully that's what Jordy is doing at the moment.

Hit the nail on the head.

One of De Goey's talents is landing himself in a hole that no-one else manages to do. When was the last you heard of Darcy Moore's bender in Bali or Jeremy Howe's misfits in LA? They don't not party and they don't avoid travel. In fact, Moore was in Bali over the bye.

De Goey's rap sheet doesn't show a man who's learning - it shows a man who keeps finding himself in trouble. Be interesting to delve into his past at St Kevin's and see boy De Goey. Were their red flags they ignored? If I had known what we were getting, I would've chosen Caleb Daniel with Pick 5. His height hasn't been an impediment on his game - some would say it's a benefit and he uses it to his advantage - and he doesn't seem to be getting himself into trouble. Compare the pair and Daniel has had a better career. A premiership, B&F, and a very stiff Rising Star decision. JDG has only made the 22under22 and been a leading goal kicker. Given Daniel plays defence, understandable he wouldn't be in that position of goal-kicking honours. But you can compare other kids from that draft class and find that JDG is by far the most successful trouble maker. And I'm sure before drafting, there were reasons why some clubs had their doubts.

Maynard was like JDG for his first year. Then the club had a chat. Now, he could've become a second De Goey but instead he made better choices. Smart move by him. De Goey needs to surround himself with better people if he wants to play AFL or learn what to say so they don't lead him astray.Plenty of kids with ADHD learn to manage the condition and thrive. We all have challenges and yes, it can explain stupidity, but you have to deal with it or work to find ways around it. If that means, you place limitations on yourself, then it means you place limitations on yourself.

When he's 50, he'll regret his actions as it has cost him millions. He has looked like he'll be a star but we're still waiting. Meanwhile, Petracca has a Norm and others from his class are above him. Jayden Short has, arguably, had a much better season than De Goey. And he was in the rookies. It's not an issue of talent. It's an issue with his lack of thought and him playing the young and learning card doesn't work when you are 26. 26 is old enough to know not to do this in an AFL environment. If you like this lifestyle, play VFL or pick another club. It's not the lifestyle of a Collingwood player.

He's not a good example for young players, he can't be marketed that much and like you said, if this was Cooper Murley or Trent Bianco, we'd have given them the chop or looked to send them away. Currently, De Goey is the worst off-field performer and 100% off-field matters come into brand, sponsorship, media, etc.

 

[SouthernPie]

For anyone continuing to admonish JDG for not having the foresight to predict the despicable drama over some playful flirting between him and his friend, please go and Google the symptoms of ADHD. (Sigh).

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Defense? Of what? If he was the Collingwood bootstudder I'd be just as outraged with his treatment. It has been nothing but a media hyped attack on a perfect "bad boy" target to sell papers and get clicks. Nothing more or less

Yeah I am sure you are out fighting for the rights of those wronged on a daily basis.

I agree with your summation of the events, I just find it funny how passionate people are in sticking up for him, despite all of his previous mistakes, and I think that it is mostly down to the fact they like the way he footballs. Despite what those people are telling themselves.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

This is the way it should be GC, but it isn't in today's world unfortunately. The media have both De Goey & Ginnivan in their gun sights constantly.
Ginnivan had nothing to apologise for as the rate game had been done by thousands without any outcry until he did it.
De Goey doing silly oral sex imitation things while he knows he is being filmed is really dumb. Especially after his last post season furore.
Sure there is a complete overaction here, but Jordy should have avoided it all in the first place with just a little common sense.

He could have done what he did and more, much more, without creating all the external noise - preserving the moments on video brought him undone. If only someone had reminded him that it was the videos that gave us the insight last time into the wild character he can become in party mode. Those poor female employees at the club will probably cower with fear whenever they see him now. Hope McCrae arranged counselling for them all. DG's disrespect for them must have shaken them to the core.

 

[AmericanMustard]

No issue with JDG departing provided we can also get another mid in from another club. Dunkley?

Taranto

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

For anyone continuing to admonish JDG for not having the foresight to predict the despicable drama over some playful flirting between him and his friend, please go and Google the symptoms of ADHD. (Sigh).

Haha, oh boy, good one.
If you've got ADHD and you have no capability to not make impulsive decisions, then wouldn't the good decision be not to go to Bali? Like a trip over seas is usually planned and not spur of the moment. If he is suffering from this to the point where he could not possibly have predicted this outcome, how did his support team not tell him to stay home?

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

That's the thing. I don't think they needed to stick up for Degoey - that would have been fraught, but I would have liked them to have done it anyway. The bit I'm really furious about is the IQ and Quaynor part. They needed to stick up for IQ and Quaynor and point out obviously horrendous defamatory media harassment and hope it came back to benefit JDG - and I believe it would have. The Hun gave them a free swing and they chose to side with the Hun and state that the boys needed re-education.

And as for the 30 years - I'm very confident that the tide will eventually turn and it's the horrendous kangaroo courts being fronted by the like of Robbo and Kane Cornes and Jone Brown etc at the becking of media companies that will be condemned in the future.

Well said.

 

[domus]

You think the blowback about something Collingwood has done, like stick up for the alleged womaniser DeGoey, would blow over quickly?

We would be hearing about it for 30 years as we have Winmar at Vic Park.

Specifics of the situation would be forgotten and the narrative, peddled by the media, would be we stuck up for the blokey DeGoey over respecting women.

Respecting women. I still can't believe we live in a society which literally ignores half the world's humanity based on their genitalia.

Respect people. Respect everybody. That covers every contingency. Women are not a morally superior, more worthy or deserving species than men, yet so many in our media speak and write as if they are fragile children
stumbling innocently through this big bad world with no capacity to make their own decisions and choices or having no accountability when they do.

Anyone who has sons and daughters knows they are just as devastated when their son is harmed or abused as they are when their daughter endures mistreatment yet when the issue is broadened to the two genders men suddenly have less value.

Mark Robinson and the like hold a rather sick notion that women around the country are clutching their pearls or huddled under their doonas at the very idea of a man playfully flirting with his female companion. A companion who had literally chewed on his ear lobe and wrapped him in her arms either before or after he tugged her top for a millisecond.

It's clear to me who holds the twisted view of women and girls.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I visualise molly with the video on repeat, freeze framing and noting every De Goey gesture and movement. Seems pretty pointless if you think of the relationship as consensual rather than believing permission needs to be sought for each individual act between them. Perhaps that's how sex will eventually be played out between continually consenting couples, but for now these two seem comfortable in each other's company.

might invest in the company who makes these.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I feel like the massive over reaction to these situations regarding JDG, Ginni etc have a lot to do with everyone just hating Collingwood. Can guarantee if these blokes played for other teams the outcry wouldn't be so bad. I wish the media and haters would just back off. They've all apologised. End of. Move on already.

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agree. Wilson has moved on from Swanny to Degoey pretty seamlessly.

 

[domus]

Yeah I am sure you are out fighting for the rights of those wronged on a daily basis.

I agree with your summation of the events, I just find it funny how passionate people are in sticking up for him, despite all of his previous mistakes, and I think that it is mostly down to the fact they like the way he footballs. Despite what those people are telling themselves.

Whether I fight for anyone's rights is absolutely irrelevant.

The treatment of Degoey has been appalling and has nothing to do with his talent as a footballer.

 

[sideswipe]

Yeah I am sure you are out fighting for the rights of those wronged on a daily basis.

I agree with your summation of the events, I just find it funny how passionate people are in sticking up for him, despite all of his previous mistakes, and I think that it is mostly down to the fact they like the way he footballs. Despite what those people are telling themselves.

For me, it is because he has been pilloried unfairly by the media. Ask the average Joe in the street whether JDG has a problem with women. They would likely say yes, and think he has a rap sheet. He doesn't.

Indecent assault charge - VicPol dropped charges and paid costs when it was discovered the complainant had fabricated the matter. This is fact.
The groping allegation in NY - lasted less than a day before disappearing.
This current thing - the girl said nothing to see here.

Yeah, he has made some dumb decisions, and put himself in bad positions - but this is a bloke who will have the cloud of "disrespecting women" hanging over him for the foreseeable future. I see Emma Kearney made a comment about it today in relation to AFL training, giving Jordy a little whack.

How would you feel if your son/brother/friend had that sort of thing attached to him?

Feel free to address any of the above.

 

[SouthernPie]

JDG's support team is a separate issue FairandBalanced.

I'm talking about the uneducated people who make personal comments on his character like" Why didn't he foresee what Bali might bring", "Why doesn't he just grow up", "Why doesn't he learn from his mistakes", "Why does he have no restraint" "why is he so dumb" etc etc.
Go read up on ADHD and you'll understand. I bet many won't be bothered to do that and will get far more satisfaction out of simply abusing him in their ignorance, just like the ill informed media.

 

[Fonzeno1]

Just listened to Eddie and Neil Mitchell savage each other on the radio yesterday

 

[sr36]

Yeah I am sure you are out fighting for the rights of those wronged on a daily basis.

I agree with your summation of the events, I just find it funny how passionate people are in sticking up for him, despite all of his previous mistakes, and I think that it is mostly down to the fact they like the way he footballs. Despite what those people are telling themselves.

You're probably right. There is no way we'd be this livid if it was a politician or a Carlton player copping this bum rap. But I also think it cuts both ways. You are clearly a sympathiser with the issue and aren't convinced he's done much wrong, yet are drifting towards laying the boots in. I suspect that is connected to your previous stances and opinion of JDG.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Respecting women. I still can't believe we live in a society which literally ignores half the world's humanity based on their genitalia.

Respect people. Respect everybody. That covers every contingency. Women are not a morally superior, more worthy or deserving species than men, yet so many in our media speak and write as if they are fragile children
stumbling innocently through this big bad world with no capacity to make their own decisions and choices or having no accountability when they do.

Anyone who has sons and daughters knows they are just as devastated when their son is harmed or abused as they are when their daughter endures mistreatment yet when the issue is broadened to the two genders men suddenly have less value.

Mark Robinson and the like hold a rather sick notion that women around the country are clutching their pearls or huddled under their doonas at the very idea of a man playfully flirting with his female companion. A companion who had literally chewed on his ear lobe and wrapped him in her arms either before or after he tugged her top for a millisecond.

It's clear to me who holds the twisted view of women and girls.

As a man, I will tell you, another man, its not really for you to say. You are a man. You've probably never worried about being sexually assaulted or r*ped or being physically abused in an intimate relationship. If you have, I sincerely apologise but you would be in the vast minority.

Men kill and rape women daily. The same is not true in the reverse. Easy to ask for equality when you are sitting on the right end of that.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

You're probably right. There is no way we'd be this livid if it was a politician or a Carlton player copping this bum rap. But I also think it cuts both ways. You are clearly a sympathiser with the issue and aren't convinced he's done much wrong, yet are drifting towards laying the boots in. I suspect that is connected to your previous stances and opinion of JDG.

Possibly, but maybe I'm just not as emotionally connected to him?
I'm not sacking DeGoey on this, but if he has it in his head that the people at the club are in the wrong, he has rocks in his head. His actions led to the issue and he had many chances to make better decisions to ensure it didn't need to be an issue.

 

[Fonzeno1]

JDG's support team is a separate issue FairandBalanced.

I'm talking about the uneducated people who make personal comments on his character like" Why didn't he foresee what Bali might bring", "Why doesn't he just grow up", "Why doesn't he learn from his mistakes", "Why does he have no restraint" "why is he so dumb" etc etc.
Go read up on ADHD and you'll understand. I bet many won't be bothered to do that and will get far more satisfaction out of simply abusing him in their ignorance, just like the ill informed media.

Good point. I actually have ADHD. I wasn't gonna mention it cos I'm not looking for sympathy/attention and I don't want people to think it affects my point of view. I was diagnosed as an adult but always knew there was something going on. It's hard to control impulses let alone concentrate long enough to care that you've upset someone. Add alcohol and you're climbing Everest.

It has caused me many an issue over my life. As a young bloke I was a loose campaigner I would act first think later. All my mates thought it was cool/funny and would cheer me on until I crossed the line. Then I'd have to go through the guilt and forgiveness cycle. I could only imagine the trouble I would have been in if I had millions of dollars and was followed everywhere on camera.

When I first knew I had it, it became an excuse for a while and I'd blame it when I stuffed up. But I soon learnt no one cared and I'd still stuffed up Now that I'm older I am alot more settled but it will never go away. I think age and experience are the biggest factors. You do learn along the way but very slowly. You don't learn how to stop the stupid thoughts or urges but you learn what situations get you in trouble and how to avoid them. You also learn who's a friend and who has their own interests at heart.
I actually just had a little laugh at how many distractions I've had just while writing this post

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

For me, it is because he has been pilloried unfairly by the media. Ask the average Joe in the street whether JDG has a problem with women. They would likely say yes, and think he has a rap sheet. He doesn't.

Indecent assault charge - VicPol dropped charges and paid costs when it was discovered the complainant had fabricated the matter. This is fact.
The groping allegation in NY - lasted less than a day before disappearing.
This current thing - the girl said nothing to see here.

Yeah, he has made some dumb decisions, and put himself in bad positions - but this is a bloke who will have the cloud of "disrespecting women" hanging over him for the foreseeable future. I see Emma Kearney made a comment about it today in relation to AFL training, giving Jordy a little whack.

How would you feel if your son/brother/friend had that sort of thing attached to him?

Feel free to address any of the above.

Ok. I will say I would not trust DeGoey with my daughters or my nieces. Yes he hasn't been found guilty, but I'd just prefer any of the other 38 odd players on our list who have managed to not be charged with sexual assault twice.

He may not sexually assault women, but there is fair chance he doesn't have the greatest respect for them either.

 

[cwoodgal]

As a man, I will tell you, another man, its not really for you to say. You are a man. You've probably never worried about being sexually assaulted or r*ped or being physically abused in an intimate relationship. If you have, I sincerely apologise but you would be in the vast minority.

Men kill and rape women daily. The same is not true in the reverse. Easy to ask for equality when you are sitting on the right end of that.

Well said


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[SouthernPie]

Thank you Fonzeno for your first hand insight cl

 

[KinderSmock]

For anyone continuing to admonish JDG for not having the foresight to predict the despicable drama over some playful flirting between him and his friend, please go and Google the symptoms of ADHD. (Sigh).

Google "what I should do before going to Bali"

Talk to travel agent.

Talk with player agent.

There are steps that are obvious for anyone. Disability or not. And even disability advocates have said this!

 

[sideswipe]

Ok. I will say I would not trust DeGoey with my daughters or my nieces. Yes he hasn't been found guilty, but I'd just prefer any of the other 38 odd players on our list who have managed to not be charged with sexual assault twice.

He may not sexually assault women, but there is fair chance he doesn't have the greatest respect for them either.

Do you understand that the indecent assault and groping charges were both dropped because they were fabricated? Details are important. Saying he hasn't been found guilty is a misstatement. The matters never went to court.

You thoughts on not trusting De Goey are emblematic of the cloud that is going to follow him.