Player Watch Jordan De Goey

[Piestration]

Taranto

Consistency and commitment is the key and there are many players you would consider over Degoeys lack of.

Newcombe is young and would be a great fit for our midfield. No chance the Hawks let him go.

 

[sideswipe]

You wouldn't the only one. De Goey is not the type of bloke to invite down to Auskick for a bit of fun with the kids.

Given he has done plenty of volunteering at a special school (with Bruzzy), this comment needs to be highlighted for its abject stupidity.

 

[Seedsfan]

Haha, oh boy, good one.
If you've got ADHD and you have no capability to not make impulsive decisions, then wouldn't the good decision be not to go to Bali? Like a trip over seas is usually planned and not spur of the moment. If he is suffering from this to the point where he could not possibly have predicted this outcome, how did his support team not tell him to stay home?

Lol, hahahahaha.

Yeah because he should be under house arrest when not playing

 

[KinderSmock]

Given he has done plenty of volunteering at a special school (with Bruzzy), this comment needs to be highlighted for its abject stupidity.

That came before his latest headline drama.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Do you understand that the indecent assault and groping charges were both dropped because they were fabricated? Details are important. Saying he hasn't been found guilty is a misstatement. The matters never went to court.

You thoughts on not trusting De Goey are emblematic of the cloud that is going to follow him.

Do you have a daughter? Would you like her to be with DeGoey?

 

[domus]

As a man, I will tell you, another man, its not really for you to say. You are a man. You've probably never worried about being sexually assaulted or r*ped or being physically abused in an intimate relationship. If you have, I sincerely apologise but you would be in the vast minority.

Men kill and rape women daily. The same is not true in the reverse. Easy to ask for equality when you are sitting on the right end of that.

Stop regurgitating the idea that life is a living purgatory for women who are all constantly looking over their shoulders and living in fear.

As a man you are far more likely to be bashed, stabbed, shot or physically assaulted. Far more men are victims of this type of crime yet I'm sure you don't think twice before driving into the city for a night out.

What is this obsession with painting the worst possible picture of life in our society when we are clearly living in the safest and most affluent era in human history.

Let's all feel empathy for any victim of assault, man or woman without catastrophising.

All of the many girls and women I know live happy lives. They party, go out to the city or pubs regularly and have never had a problem. That's the norm as much as some would love us to believe otherwise.

The fact that I haven't personally experienced something doesn't mean I cannot have an opinion. If that's the case then no anti war protestors should ever wave a peace sign in anger unless they've been on the frontlines under enemy fire. That argument is a silly one and just used to silence people.

 

[sideswipe]

That came before his latest headline drama.

Suggesting someone shouldn't be around kids is a terrible thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[domus]

You wouldn't the only one. De Goey is not the type of bloke to invite down to Auskick for a bit of fun with the kids.

I think he'd be great with kids. Why do you doubt it?

 

[sideswipe]

Do you have a daughter? Would you like her to be with DeGoey?

2 actually - both young adults. I find the question of whether I would like one of them to be with DeGoey a little insulting to my daughters - not for me to like or dislike. That is their decision.

Although if he showed up on my doorstep with one of them I would have absolutely no worries.

That you suggest otherwise just tells me you are easily swayed by the media.

 

[JB1975]

You wouldn't the only one. De Goey is not the type of bloke to invite down to Auskick for a bit of fun with the kids.

JDG isn't half as feral as some of his critics. This post is a case in point.

This is low-level trolling. Of all the low places this thread has been, you've just taken it to a new depth.

 

[Markfs]

oh comeon.....jordan - if he was a normal type person - could have assumed that if he was in a crew of instagram posters and he was partying, that it would end up on instagram....and with his history, it was going to make front page news, whether or not he grabbed at a top .....

a normal person would have foreseen that...

I dont think that he did anything wrong. He didnt disrespect women or anything like that. Certainly, nothing more than thousands of jocks in the community who conduct their lives in a similar way to Jordan.

You can blame the media for this obsession but its the average punters out there ...the average population... who want to be entertained by this stuff. If John Ralph left the scene, he would be replaced by a similar type doing similar things.

People having a go at the club should realise that the AFL was looking over its shoulder. The AFL get a lot of funding from government and it is based on the premise that the sport will promote good healthy behaviours in the population. Because of that, there are a lot of people now associated with the Pies who couldnt give a crap about whether it wins a premiership, or even whether it does well. They are using the sport to drive their agenda regarding women's rights.

I dont say that we should accept women getting bashed or killed. I'd like to get to the men who do this to women and put them out of business - by any means necessary. I'd like to shake some sense into men who think that women are incapable. However, the government people and the corporate people and others are using footballers as a blunt instrument to teach the community not to bash or kill......good luck with that strategy..

So into this comes Jordan. I accept he is one of those types who have one of those traditional male attitudes to his mates, women and having a good time. Hopefully, he doesn't bash women but he might be the type of guy who shares a few stories with his mates.....you know the stuff that males have been doing for thousands of years. I must admit that I dont really like these types of guys but others can judge.

If I'm right about Jordan, he wouldnt be a particularly empathetic type of guy and he's probably not used to catering to the restrictions others put on him. But when he signed on for AFL, he signed on....he signed on....he accepted the money - probably elevated by all the government and corporate support - and he agreed to abiding by this system that puts restrictions on his behaviour.

Now, you can say that it isnt fair ...or unnecessary ....or doesnt achieve anything and I would agree with you on all counts. However, he needed to know that he was risking the scenario that eventuated.

I wouldnt want him to admit to doing anything wrong or of disrespecting women, but I would like him to acknowledge that any reasonable person would have anticipated what happened to him and that he has compromised the goals of all the team-mates and others at the club. He has done that by his actions. Yes, the media might have ignored his highjinks but every single person on the planet knows that the media does not ignore these situations.

Accept the responsibility. Accept that you signed a contract and some restrictions came with it....and get on with it.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Stop regurgitating the idea that life is a living purgatory for women who are all constantly looking over their shoulders and living in fear.

As a man you are far more likely to be bashed, stabbed, shot or physically assaulted. Far more men are victims of this type of crime yet I'm sure you don't think twice before driving into the city for a night out.

What is this obsession with painting the worst possible picture of life in our society when we are clearly living in the safest and most affluent era in human history.

Let's all feel empathy for any victim of assault, man or woman without catastrophising.

All of the many girls and women I know live happy lives. They party, go out to the city or pubs regularly and have never had a problem. That's the norm as much as some would love us to believe otherwise.

The fact that I haven't personally experienced something doesn't mean I cannot have an opinion. If that's the case then no anti war protestors should ever wave a peace sign in anger unless they've been on the frontlines under enemy fire. That argument is a silly one and just used to silence people.

No woman in my life has ever had a problem. Therefore. There is no problem.

Cool thinking.

"1 in 3 women (31.1%) has experienced physical and/or sexual violence perpetrated by a man they know."

That's in Australia.

 

[sideswipe]

oh comeon.....jordan - if he was a normal type person - could have assumed that if he was in a crew of instagram posters and he was partying, that it would end up on instagram....and with his history, it was going to make front page news, whether or not he grabbed at a top .....

a normal person would have foreseen that...

I dont think that he did anything wrong. He didnt disrespect women or anything like that. Certainly, nothing more than thousands of jocks in the community who conduct their lives in a similar way to Jordan.

You can blame the media for this obsession but its the average punters out there ...the average population... who want to be entertained by this stuff. If John Ralph left the scene, he would be replaced by a similar type doing similar things.

People having a go at the club should realise that the AFL was looking over its shoulder. The AFL get a lot of funding from government and it is based on the premise that the sport will promote good healthy behaviours in the population. Because of that, there are a lot of people now associated with the Pies who couldnt give a crap about whether it wins a premiership, or even whether it does well. They are using the sport to drive their agenda regarding women's rights.

I dont say that we should accept women getting bashed or killed. I'd like to get to the men who do this to women and put them out of business - by any means necessary. I'd like to shake some sense into men who think that women are incapable. However, the government people and the corporate people and others are using footballers as a blunt instrument to teach the community not to bash or kill......good luck with that strategy..

So into this comes Jordan. I accept he is one of those types who have one of those traditional male attitudes to his mates, women and having a good time. Hopefully, he doesn't bash women but he might be the type of guy who shares a few stories with his mates.....you know the stuff that males have been doing for thousands of years. I must admit that I dont really like these types of guys but others can judge.

If I'm right about Jordan, he wouldnt be a particularly empathetic type of guy and he's probably not used to catering to the restrictions others put on him. But when he signed on for AFL, he signed on....he signed on....he accepted the money - probably elevated by all the government and corporate support - and he agreed to abiding by this system that puts restrictions on his behaviour.

Now, you can say that it isnt fair ...or unnecessary ....or doesnt achieve anything and I would agree with you on all counts. However, he needed to know that he was risking the scenario that eventuated.

I wouldnt want him to admit to doing anything wrong or of disrespecting women, but I would like him to acknowledge that any reasonable person would have anticipated what happened to him and that he has compromised the goals of all the team-mates and others at the club. He has done that by his actions. Yes, the media might have ignored his highjinks but every single person on the planet knows that the media does not ignore these situations.

Accept the responsibility. Accept that you signed a contract and some restrictions came with it....and get on with it.

18k+ posts and you are bound to be right every now and again. Spot on.

Edit: based on his statement alone, it would seem he has taken things on board. Hopefully...

 

[Quicky]

Craig McRae seems to be a wonderful man but hearing him say (on SEN) he had to check on all the female staff at Collingwood to see how they were handling the Bali beat up had me numb with disbelief.

Once again, I have to ask, Craig. Did you check up on the male staff to see how they were after the three Collingwood AFLW girls rated men?

What have we become?

People being emotionally scarred by some cheeky flirtation between two consenting adults.

Our society is losing the plot. Tonight male players are raising millions of dollars for a female specific cancer and have done for years

The AFL has set up and supplemented the women's competition to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Not a word of thanks from women to men. Generic thanks to the AFL but no acknowledgement of the endless generosity of men in all of these actions

Our men's teams have fully supported and embraced their female counterparts and some have actively coached and assisted the women's team.

All of this is ignored

One young bloke flirts with a consenting girl and all week it's a barrage of negative, demonizing headlines about male attitudes to women and the out of control misogyny in our football community.

That's how it works.

Hate and negativity sells papers and gets clicks and our club feeds into it.

I don't see things changing sadly.

I think McRae's words about De Goey and the boys was he'd wrap his arms around them. McRae didn't seem to be treating female staff differently to the blokes in-so-much as he was concerned about both. These things can affect different people differently. It may have affected some differently than say it would have you or I. I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that. It's a good thing to be empathetic.

 

[gerryg400]

Haha, oh boy, good one.
If you've got ADHD and you have no capability to not make impulsive decisions, then wouldn't the good decision be not to go to Bali? Like a trip over seas is usually planned and not spur of the moment. If he is suffering from this to the point where he could not possibly have predicted this outcome, how did his support team not tell him

I have no idea about De Goey's personal situation and diagnosis but I have ADHD and Aspergers. Everything that I've seen and heard from De Goey in this saga lines up with my experience of ADHD. Including the decision to go to Bali, his response on the internet, inability to front up to training etc. The decision to have a family member as manager and the structure of his support team also seem 'logical' to me.

I listened to McCrae last night and heard him talk about concepts like 'putting arms around', 'educate', 'support', etc. This is precisely the opposite of what I feel I would need. If I were in De Goey's position I would be sitting at home just wishing it would all go away. My hope would be that I could get back to playing footy and never hear another word about it again. I would know that there are consequences to my contract and I would accept that. I would know that my reputation had been tarnished and I would accept that. There might be a fine and suspension, booing, whatever, I would accept that. I would like to speak to my teammates, perhaps in small groups to apologise etc. I would accept all that. None of this has anything to do with my courage or my acceptance of responsibility for my actions. For me it would be about not being able to understand what people really mean when they speak to me.

For example, McCrae said last night that when he was 18 he snuck out after his father told him not to go to a party. At 18 I would never have done that, not in a million years. However I did other, perhaps worse things simply because I did not understand peoples expectation of me.

Communication is a problem. Having to front up to some people-manager type person who honestly believes that I can be fixed if we have weekly one-on-ones meetings for the rest of my time in the organisation is terrifying. I've gone through that before but it's weird and nothing has ever changed.

FAIRANDBALANCED, maybe you think that it's time for De Goey to grow up. My lived experience is that it might not happen. I'm much better at living than I was at 26 but still have no idea what is going on in a normal person's head. Every day is a surprise.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

You wouldn't the only one. De Goey is not the type of bloke to invite down to Auskick for a bit of fun with the kids.

This won’t age well.

 

[No SPIN]

Do you have a daughter? Would you like her to be with DeGoey?

Would you allow your son to go out with REMY?

 

[Maggie5]

Stop regurgitating the idea that life is a living purgatory for women who are all constantly looking over their shoulders and living in fear.

As a man you are far more likely to be bashed, stabbed, shot or physically assaulted. Far more men are victims of this type of crime yet I'm sure you don't think twice before driving into the city for a night out.

Why do you always turn this into a male vs female thing?
Perhaps start your own thread in the Nest?

All of the many girls and women I know live happy lives. They party, go out to the city or pubs regularly and have never had a problem. That's the norm as much as some would love us to believe otherwise.

I live in an area that I wouldn't go out after 10pm and if I am out always ask security or a friend to see me to my car.

You and your experiences aren't necessarily the yardstick.

 

[jimmy35]

I feel like the massive over reaction to these situations regarding JDG, Ginni etc have a lot to do with everyone just hating Collingwood. Can guarantee if these blokes played for other teams the outcry wouldn't be so bad. I wish the media and haters would just back off. They've all apologised. End of. Move on already.

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[MyManLynch]

Do you have a daughter? Would you like her to be with DeGoey?

Ask Remy’s parents…

 

[lyfsux]

Just watched the live press conference from Mcrae and someone asked why do you think Jordan is in this headspace (or something along those lines)
the media or the pulling of the contract, and there it was sticking out like dogs balls a chance to wack these parasites and say, you lot the MEDIA not necessarily the ones in the room but those other f#ckers throwing shit from the bleaches

but no all he answered was we don't really know but he's getting help

 

[sideswipe]

I live in an area that I wouldn't go out after 10pm and if I am out always ask security or a friend to see me to my car.

I feel sorry for the fool who is ever dumb enough to take you on. You'd kill him!

 

[KinderSmock]

Clarifying my Auskick comment: there would be some parents who'd have an issue and as De Goey ages, if he keeps offending, sending him down to the clinic just looks like a bad idea. De Goey might make an appearance at a centre at some point. BUT his overall ability to do community work is lesser and there will always be the tag. Think of players who have made poor choices repeatedlyGenerally, star players connect with the community because some want to, some have the requirement to but also the club wants to use it for their gain. If you sent Jack Crisp

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, it's not going to be reported better and flip into a media opportunity for good rather than the line we've all heard "Collingwood bad boy Jordan De Goey

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." That's what I was trying to say.

 

[Markfs]

18k+ posts and you are bound to be right every now and again. Spot on.

Edit: based on his statement alone, it would seem he has taken things on board. Hopefully...

Thank you. Like Jordy, I tend to fail a lot

 

[Maggie5]

I feel sorry for the fool who is ever dumb enough to take you on. You'd kill him!

All talk and not a very good runner, bum hip.

Still true, people talk about Frankston but Broady not far behind, maybe even ahead now.