Judd to Captain Collingwood in 2008??

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People will say I am crazy but here is the case:

1. Refusal to sign new contract
Judd has refused to sign a new contract with the Eagles until the end of the season. He has said the following:
"I've signed a contract mid-year before and it didn't work," he said.
"I had a pretty ordinary month of football after that, so I won't be rushed into it.
"At the end of the season we'll sit down and work through it."

I think this is crap. I don't understand how waiting until the end of the year can be less distracting than getting a deal sorted early in the season and therefore not having to deal with the chronic speculation and hassle from the media about your future. Players intending on leaving their club will generally opt to postpone contract negotiations until the end of the season because it will make their departure less uncomfortable. They do not have to play along side team mates and in front of supporters who may in some instances feel betrayed (and often unjustifiably so).

You can be sure that West Coast would put together a very attractive deal for Judd at the drop of a hat. With the remainder of their star-studded midfield either in rehab, or generally out-of-control off the field, Judd has been the one shining light for the Eagles in the scandalous wake of their premiership glory. He is now the public face of the club, has a clean slate and is without question the best player in the country. Let's face it, Judd could name his price. The fact that he hasn't yet would not sit easy with me at all if I was an Eagles fan.

2. Likely return to Victoria
Ever since Judd made the move to the west, there have been rumours about a return to Victoria. Judd's family is based in Victoria and when he was drafted to the Eagles there seemed to be a general consenus that it would only be for a few years before he made the return home. He has stayed longer than most expected, no doubt allured by the promise of playing in one of the best teams in the comp and winning premierships. But Judd has now payed his dues. He has captained the club to a premiership and so would no longer feel indebted to the Eagles for giving him his AFL opporunity as a junior. And what else is there left to achieve at the Eagles?

This is not to say he would not have a lot of loyalty for the Eagles and his team mates, but would this really preside over loyalty to his friends and family in Victoria?

It is interesting also to note that Judd is yet to certify that he will be at the Eagles in 2008 and beyond (I base this on not having seen any evidence to the contrary). He has chosen his words carefully.
"I'm going to sit down with the club at the end of the year and discuss contract negotiations,
"That's always been the plan.
"There's always going to be speculation about me and my contract, but ... I'm looking forward to leading the club this year." (emphasis added)

But what about next year Chirs?

3. Suitability of Collingwood as a new club

If Judd does elect to go back to Victoria, it would probably be the biggest trade deal in AFL history (and by biggest, I mean most high-profile). Collingwood are just the sort of club that could get such a deal done. They will have learnt from their mistakes in letting Nick Stevens slip in 2003. Eddie would pull out all the stops.

Nathan Buckley is on his last legs. It is more than likely that he will retire at the end of the season. With Buckley gone, Collingwood will have a gaping whole in their salary cap. Buckley (in addition to Judd) is probably one of the 5 players that earnt more than $800,000 in 2006, and if not certainly one of the 7 players paid between $600,000 and $700,000.

Collingwood will also be in need of a new captain. As an AFL premiership captain, Judd would be a ready-made replacement. Turning 31 this year, James Clement would hardly be a suitable long term replacement and Anthony Rocca does not come across as the sharpest tool in the shed.

People will argue that Collingwood don't have the cattle to get the deal done. But I doubt that West Coast would really try to seek to replace what is irreplaceable. Instead they would look to the future and demand a plethora of draft picks (no doubt in addition to a couple of players). With many expecting Collingwood to be bottom 4 this season, they may just be in the position to do it. What will be interesting is towards the end of the season it Collingwood are near the bottom and speculation mounts that Judd will return to Victoria. Imagine Collingwood with the No. 1 draft pick as a bargaining chip. It would have two impacts; one being an attractive piece in any package offered to the Eagles and the other being pressure on the Eagles to cut a deal with Collingwood if Judd elects them as their club of choice because in default, they could loose him for nothing.

Finally, it is also known that Judd comes from a pro-Collingwood family. While I have also heard that he grew up barracking for Melbourne, I certainly know that members of his extended family are Collingwood fanatics.

Judd as Collingwood Captain is a perfect fit. ;)
 

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Yeah, because we have an impressive track record in closing blockbuster trades, don't we? :eek:
Yeah, I suppose you'll have to learn to offer more than just the players you are planning to delist.
 
Funnily enough one point Ricky Nixon made on SEN yesterday was the fact that Judd while te best player in the comp certainly doesn't do anywhere near as well as say a Riewoldt in marketing terms as he doesn't have the 'national exposure'.

If a good manager is in Judd's ear that may come into it.

As for possible trades......Judd is the best player in the game, but if he decides to come back to Victoria and everything is handled cordially, the Eagles could come out of it set up for another 01 years. Judd has given them wonderful service, playing a major role in 2 GF appearances, and a premiership. If he leaves, it will cost an opposition club a lot.....losing Judd, but getting a #1 draft pick and another high pick or high quality player, would help lessen the sting.

I don't want him to go anywhere, but the price on his head is so high, the Eagles could come out of it with a pile of room in the salary cap and some 10 year prospects.
 
People will say I am crazy but here is the case:

1. Refusal to sign new contract
Judd has refused to sign a new contract with the Eagles until the end of the season. He has said the following:
"I've signed a contract mid-year before and it didn't work," he said.
"I had a pretty ordinary month of football after that, so I won't be rushed into it.
"At the end of the season we'll sit down and work through it."

I think this is crap.

Why would you think it's crap when that's the way he's always done it?

The reason he signed mid-season last time, was because he got sick of all the rumours. So keep it up.
 
What people don't realise is that in order to get get Judd, a club would have to give away two or three decent players juyst to squeeze him into the salary cap.
Paying someone a fortune and forcing popular, decent pleyers out creates angst amongst the rest of the playing group. Getting a gun like Judd but having to get rid of two or three important players may actually make the list weaker in an already weak side.
 
Any of the bottom 5 sides could and probally will come into the Judd deal.IMO Judd is worth 2 top 5 picks and a player.
Lets say Judd wants to go to Essendon[going on last years ladder].For Essendon to get another top 5 pick they would have to do a deal with another bottom 4 side.
The question is what would Essendon give up to get another top 5 pick.Remember they have to satisfy 2 parties here.
 
Is Buckley a veteran on the pies list??

If so, depending on how many veterans they have, his whole salary is not included in the cap... so his 800K?? would really be 400K. Bring in Judd and his whole salary will be in the cap.

Say Judd is worth 1Million... is it worth having 15% of your cap on one player???

No matter how good the bloke is, I still think it's ridiculous giving a player that much unless you can pop em on the veterans list. Or back end their contract that much that when they hit veterans status you make it worth your while.
 

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Any of the bottom 5 sides could and probally will come into the Judd deal.IMO Judd is worth 2 top 5 picks and a player.
Lets say Judd wants to go to Essendon[going on last years ladder].For Essendon to get another top 5 pick they would have to do a deal with another bottom 4 side.
The question is what would Essendon give up to get another top 5 pick.Remember they have to satisfy 2 parties here.
Disagree. The only way forward for bottom sides is through the draft. It's pretty much been proven. Why do you think we've been crap since 2001?
i agree with you that for us to get Judd, we'd have to give away two 1st round picks and a highly credentialled young player. So in other words we exclude ourselves from the draft for a year when we need to build our young stocks up and give away a player? It wouldn't even help us in the short term and it sure as hell would cripple us even further in the long term.
Judd, if he leaves, is only in the equation by joining forces with a top six team with an already established list.
 
Id want Pendlebury + a top 5 pick + upgrade of our 2nd rounder to a first rounder.

your dreaming! Pendles is going to be a star in his own right. Clubs will over top 10 pick plus a regular senior player.

If Judd walks out & his out of contract then he can go in the draft for NOTHING. West coast will be forced to trade ifhe wants to leave. Unless there stupid like port and let him go nothing!

The fact tt he is out of contract kills off your bargain power, remember that!
 
Id want Pendlebury + a top 5 pick + upgrade of our 2nd rounder to a first rounder.
Agree.
So in other words 3 players? Which was exactly my point.
For Richmond to get Judd, we'd have to give up a 1st round pick (likely to be top 5 this year), trade away for another 1st round pick (Deledio, Raianes, Polo?) and give away a good young talent (again, one of Deledio, Raines, Polo?).
It's not worth it for a struggling club to basically give away three 1st round picks for Judd. It would set the club back even further than what it is.
That's why only an established top six club can be in the equation, because they are more equipped to deal.
 
The Judd going to "Insert wishfull thinking melbourne based clubs supporters team" thread should have been a general sticky 3 years ago on this forum. :)
 
your dreaming! Pendles is going to be a star in his own right. Clubs will over top 10 pick plus a regular senior player.

If Judd walks out & his out of contract then he can go in the draft for NOTHING. West coast will be forced to trade ifhe wants to leave. Unless there stupid like port and let him go nothing!

The fact tt he is out of contract kills off your bargain power, remember that!

You clearly dont know much about Chris Judd!

I believe it is HIGHLY unlikely he will leave. I think anyone who reckons the events of the past month have persuaded him to leave is kidding themselves and they just had to see his effort on Saturday + his reaction to the win - straight over to Kerr for the victory hug. IF Judd did leave, there is no way he will leave the club in the lurch and he would require a reasonable deal of any club that wanted him - thats just Chris Judd.

But he will be still at West Coast in 2008 ....

;)
 

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