Harsh, but completely fair. I thought the speeches of Simon Garlick and Longmuir at the Doig were telling. Garlick was essentially “no excuses, 2024 was unacceptable and we need to get better next season”. Longmuir was pretty much the complete opposite. And then to read how Serong got fired up by Garlick’s speech was eye opening for me. Longmuir comes across as shy, lacking confidence, and uninspiring. What you see is what you get, and I wonder how this affects getting the best out of the playing group. I don’t think he is a head coach. Maybe Garlick makes the move from leader of the org to leader of the team?
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Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2
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So you wanted Baker to go to WC, nice
He doesn't seem inspirational and we struggle in first quarters.
We have lost games to teams we shouldn't in successive years, Kangas and WCE. Those were unforgivable in both seasons.
Losing from 25 up in the last quarter against a poor team in Essendon. Terrible loss. Made worse by our set up at centre bounces, 4 in a row with no one on the defensive side. Dumb from the coach and the players. And some of my favourites were in there.
We don't finish top 5 this year we must move him on. I say top five because if we finish 5th and win 15 games I would accept that. We would need to win through to a prelim and at least give it a shake.
We have lost games to teams we shouldn't in successive years, Kangas and WCE. Those were unforgivable in both seasons.
Losing from 25 up in the last quarter against a poor team in Essendon. Terrible loss. Made worse by our set up at centre bounces, 4 in a row with no one on the defensive side. Dumb from the coach and the players. And some of my favourites were in there.
We don't finish top 5 this year we must move him on. I say top five because if we finish 5th and win 15 games I would accept that. We would need to win through to a prelim and at least give it a shake.
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Yep.
I've been happy to stand behind JL but next year is his last unless he get's tangible results. I'm unsure what those results need to be, need to see how the season unfolds first, but if things are looking dicey mid way, the board/CEO need to be on the phone to any potential replacement.
we are set up really well for next season for sure, very confident of a top 4 finish. another pre season into jye, treacy brimming with confidence, sturt finally having a good run at it, add bolton and hopefully kozzie our forward line should be a genuine strength. youngy a full season of experience in the guts, andy and serong doing their thing as usual, hopefully darcy gets some good preparation for the season, and NOD showing some good signs. cox and pearce healthy, chappy putting on some kgs, walker still underrated.
need to make the most of it now
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It’s been an issue since Carr left, however we added a stoppage coach as well this year, who should wear some of the responsibility of that bombers final quarter. Also JLo losing his cool and subbing off Erasmus leaving us a midfielder short made it harder for the line coaches.
No, the senior coach is. He is in the box and can make the call immediately. The line coach is instructive, but it is his team. And the responsibility is his.
I agree, and have said that a few times about the people we have in positions at the club.
That is different to him not being responsible for the midfield. I would also say that if he didn't see the issue at the CB against Essendon the support is not the issue.
Sure and as long as you understand you are arguing the edge case that is fine. I agree that we need better people around him. And Longmuir should have seen the set up issue at a CB clearly.
Think about it, the ball isn't moving, our structure and set up is clear and you are looking at the CB. There simply isn't an excuse.
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I liked him in the latest podcast. He's a vibe man and the players love him.
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I feel this is a good reason JLo could reconsider coaching from the bench, at least in the last 5 mins of the game. Might as well stop mucking around with runners and speak to the player directly.
We teach our midfield to back themselves in. What we haven't taught them is when it is the right time and place to do so. Not saying Justin is blameless, but someone/s are being paid to get that right. If they can't then piss off.
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Do you have further examples from games where our centre clearance work was poor over periods of a game? Or is this a one off?
It was a disappointing period but over the course of the year we have been very good at winning or defending centre clearances. Essendon may be a poor team, but they are better than most at centre clearances & were far more desperate for a positive result than we were.
That last centre stoppage we went 1v1 which is the traditional ploy when you have lost the previous 2 centre stoppages & the oppo ruckman is getting his hands on the ball first. 1 loss you’re ok with but 2 you don't accept & then try to close it down.
The players set up exactly how they should have & if they had a crystal ball they would have had someone standing exactly where Draper hit it.
That last stoppage loss is on the players not the coaches, credit to Essendon it was a great play & one that a lot of community clubs around Australia added to their playbook.
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We had our top 3 players in there Serong, Brayshaw, Young. We think of them as the mature leaders of a young list, but Caleb said on radio 3aw after they game that they went away from how they should have played that last clearance.
It was Caleb's 100th. It could be they were really wanting that win and they decided after Amiss kicked the goal to level the scores that they were going to roll the dice and try to win that last clearance to get a victory rather than prioritise defending first.
We won the clearances that day, but the centre bounce clearances were 15-11 Essendon's way - tipping it their way in the last quarter because Shiel won a few in a row.
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Bulldogs game at Docklands we got murdered in CB, Bont continued to walk out the front and we didn’t seem to know how to stop it.
That last 5 minutes of the game is probably the most worrying football I've seen us play under JL - we gave up 4 goals.
They walked it out of the centre bounce and we changed absolutely nothing.
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The point is that’s 2 games all year, there were times when we dominated that no one is mentioning.
Everyone was carrying on about how good Longmire was on here constantly this season, master coach, changes his teams style mid game, has plan b, c & d but Brisbane walked it out the centre in a GF against his team.
It happened to the Bulldogs v Melbourne in the GF. It happens, but there’s 2 points to this.
That last stoppage v Essendon the players were set up as they should have been 1v1 from a coaches perspective.
You & poshman are pointing out an issue on the whole, we don’t have. Our centre bounce clearance work is up there with the best.
But as long as they recognise it, review it & be better from it then that’s a positive going forward.
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So are you saying it’s the players fault on that last stoppage, not the coaches as Caleb is suggesting?
We clearly weren’t rolling the dice, we were 1v1. I’d suggest he’s saying they should have structured up more traditionally with a sweeper in place & a more attacking mindset & set play.
I’m not sure about mature leaders, there still a lot to learn & Essendon had Shiel, Merrett & Parish in there at that last bounce who clearly have far more experience & were calmer in a crisis mainly due to their experience & the pure volume of CB attendances over their careers I would suggest.
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need to make the most of it now
By 'now' I take it you mean the pre-season.
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The question was specifically asked about the set up at the last bounce to Caleb after the game on 3aw and he said they went away from how they like to set up. It wasn't the Fremantle brand, or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure I posted the audio of it in the post match autopsy thread.
As to the maturity of the players, I'm saying we think that our lads led by Brayshaw, Serong and Young are more mature than they are, and the exuberance of youth or whatever it was of backing themselves to win, noone was there to say "we've lost a few centre clearances this quarter, let's go safety first", and it being a milestone game for Caleb might have played into some of that mentality of wanting to achieve the win, all of which is admirable, but it didn't happen.
I don't really blame the players or coaches. I just see that last bounce as a lost contest where it was pretty close for clearances between Essendon and Fremantle for most of the game. If we had set up with a defensive sweeper it might not have stopped the entry inside 50m, as it all started from Draper winning the tap. Don't think the coach can do much, even yelling out from the bench (as one of the suggestions above says that Longmuir should move to coach from the bench) between kicking a goal and setting up for the next bounce.
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