Dunno why everyone keeps going on about it being a concussion. It looks like a heart problem more than anything. Especially coincidentally happening after a heavy bit to the ribs.
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Personally I don’t give squat about the ‘concussion’ aspect.
I want to know why no trainer, Doctor or the AFL didn’t identify a serious medical episode.
If they ALL missed it, then they should say so - but this wreaks of sloppy man-management.
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Only Libba could say what exactly happened, but looking at the footage it looks very similar to what happens when players have heart issues on field in sports and collapse
Because it occured 50m+ off the ball in the opposite side of the ground to tue bench and was over in a manner of seconds. He was then running around immediately afterwards like nothing had happened. Then the game was over 2 minutes later.
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Exactly how I felt when I saw it. It was either exhaustion or something internal, he has been put in concussion protocols out of an abundance of caution for sure.
He absolutely should've been pulled from the ground and I'm not for a second accepting that it was handled how it should've been.
The only real issue is Beveridge saying it was a rolled ankle. He's either stupid, or blatantly lying. The question is why would he lie about this, or why do the Dogs have such a dumb coach?
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Which is also not similar.
Hartlett was taken off for 5 minutes, was let back on after passing a concussion test, the league rules at the time were 15 minutes.
Liberatore collapsed with 2 minutes to go in the game after no obvious head knock, had the concussion test post game and passed it, and has passed another this morning - he absolutely should've been removed from the state of play the moment doctors were made aware he had collapsed, I won't dispute that, but these situations are not similar. In one situation, the club failed to adhere to the competitions concussion rules, in the other, there was no obvious concussion. Why should these be handled exactly the same?
To me it comes down to this - did they know about it, have time to act, but decided not to?
If yes, throw the book at them and the club, they'd deserve everything they get. If no, nothing to see here. I'm strongly inclined to believe it was the latter given there was absolutely nothing to gain from a results perspective by keeping him out there.
Yes, I acknowledged no one may have seen it - now stick with me - where is the acknowledgement that this was the case ?
And if it was…shouldn’t the AFL have a mechanism to contact team medicos and fill them in?
My point is the system was amateurish, broken and clunky.
I don't disagree with this, except the time was so short that even communication between the AFL and Dogs medico may not have been possible.
For all we know, they might have been alerted with 20 seconds to go, ran out to get him but he was off chasing the ball on the other side of the ground and then the siren went.
It could be quite simply related to the ankle injury. He could have fallen/stumbled due to the pain. Apparently he has "full recollection" of the event.
In syncope people usually have a brief LOC and this doesnt seem to be the case here.
In syncope people usually have a brief LOC and this doesnt seem to be the case here.
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Watch the video - it’s a collapse, not a stumble. Geez!
"stumble/fall"......
Unusual in a collapse for someone to extend their arms.
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It shouldn't matter how long there is left to go in the game - whether it's 5 minutes, 2 minutes or 30 seconds. The moment he collapsed he should have been taken off the field. You've got people viewing all corners of the field and it's a testament to the stupidity down at Footscray that he was able to keep playing out the game, zero concern for health and safety.
I’m not arguing semantics. No one in there right mind thinks the video shows a ‘stumble’.
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I don't need you to tell me that, I have acknowledged that. I am talking to somebody who is making comparisons that aren't appropriate. If you want to contribute to the conversation, you could at least read it first.
Dude, that was not a stumble. Please.
I have watched it multiple times.
Have you noted the extended arms??
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Ah I see, wanting to control what is and what isn't part of the conversation even when nothing I said was out of line.
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My issue is the AFL cares more about those things than the welfare of their players.
You would think with all the issues surrounding concussion they'd make player welfare their number one priority.
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Except they have love footage on the bench, and channel 7 showed 3 replays of it over the next 2 minutes, all of which would have been seen by the doctor on the bench.
Plus Parish was waving for medical help
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No doctor or medico ever ran out to him at any point after the collapse.
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