List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Michael Jezz]

I would like the club to be bold. I would support the following risk to trade out Mcgovern who is building currency for a pick between 25 and 30 if we have a specific youngster in mind.

I just think Gov may have currency and it comes down to whether his body holds up. Even if he plays a season or 2 of good football before father time takes over, we have Kemp and Marchbank to fill the breach with the bonus of a kid to play 150 games

 

[Pablito]

Is Carroll not something to work with?

Yeh for sure, like him as a prospect. Just hasn't done anything yet (except for his great debut).

 

[bmaurizio]

Got my fingers crossed we’d be so lucky to snare possibly , Isaac Keeler or Jedd Busslinger, if not than a classy midfielder, reckon Elijah Hewett or Elijah Tsatas, may still be available , anyone one of these lads , would be amazing additions.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Always better to be positive mate...

No doubt, salary cap is a concern... If the reports are correct (Media and ITKs)...

Another concern could be we pay, our supposed A graders a large portion of our cap
and they haven't produced a top 8 year... (still think they will make it this year)

Still have faith in Austin, Lloyd, Cook and the board to keep our cap in check and have ability to manoeuvre if needed...

Positive until cracks show and it's evident we aren't all roses like some are hoping to be

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Yep.

Players to trade or shop around
Dow, Setterfield, Martin

Delist
McDonald, S. Durdin, Hayes, Parks, E. Curnow (retired), Williamson (retired), Fogarty (rookie?), Newnes, Cunningham (redraft as rookie),

So potentially quarter of the list can be moved on for currency or let go in my opinion. Obviously a bit drastic but those player offer nothing.

Anyone without a contract next year at this stage of the season(including Marchy) would be being looked at for possibly moving on.

 

[jpfalvo]

In Austin we trust, Durdin and Motlop have been rippers solid selections given the picks at our disposal and Carroll , Parks are something to work with.
Austin should do well if we end up wit a top 10.

Cant tick off Austin yet, until those names establish themselves well inside best22.

Parks will be delisted.
Carroll ok, but work to do
Durdin ok, but needs to hit the scoreboard as a small fwd.
Motlop looks best of the lot, with some X factor.

Add to this list

Young > stepped up, now a little lost, hopefully reclaims his form and confidence

Hewett > been good this year, concern relating to his historical back issues now

Saad > been goood this year

Williams > overpaid in contract value and length, not a great start to his carlton career

Cerra > very vanilla at the moment. In my opinion we overpaid in picks for current output. Seems a Murphy replacement withou he goal kicking. Salary ok.

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[gbatman]

The new coach has not had the opportunity to shape the list yet, would not be at all surprised to see some of those players on the outer be offered around.

 

[chunkylover53]

We've turned over our list massively what, 6 off-seasons in a row now?

There is no way we are seeing that amount of change again, even if we have bottled the 2nd half of the year.

 

[FRUMPY]

We've turned over our list massively what, 6 off-seasons in a row now?

There is no way we are seeing that amount of change again, even if we have bottled the 2nd half of the year.

7-8 changes minimum i reckon and if they decide to cut deeper you may see up to 10

 

[chunkylover53]

7-8 changes minimum i reckon and if they decide to cut deeper you may see up to 10

What are the 7-8 changes?

 

[The Return of the Paf]

We've turned over our list massively what, 6 off-seasons in a row now?

There is no way we are seeing that amount of change again, even if we have bottled the 2nd half of the year.

Why? Just because we've done the same thing several times in a row doesn't automatically make the necessity any less real. If I see the best 22 so full of so many 'slowish' small to medium-sized players, from the centerline to the forward half, again next year I think I'll puke.

 

[Blue__Balls]

We've turned over our list massively what, 6 off-seasons in a row now?

There is no way we are seeing that amount of change again, even if we have bottled the 2nd half of the year.

Only 6 changes last season, 7 if you include Jones pulling the pin after the final list lodgement.

Reckon that would be the expectation again. Combination of players electing to call time (Willo already, probably Ed), hard calls on too many injury-prone players (Cunners, Marchy, Philp, OMac), natural attrition of kids who likely won't make it (probably just Parks), and then a number of depth players who just aren't offering much of note (Dow, Fog, Setters, Hayes).

11 names there, probably not hard to cut 6-8.

 

[chunkylover53]

Why? Just because we've done the same thing several times in a row doesn't automatically make the necessity any less real. If I see the side full of so many 'slowish' small to medium-sized players, from the centerline to the forward half, again next year I think I'll puke.

There will be changes, for sure. But not as many as previous years.

 

[chunkylover53]

Only 6 changes last season, 7 if you include Jones pulling the pin after the final list lodgement.

Reckon that would be the expectation again. Combination of players electing to call time (Willo already, probably Ed), hard calls on too many injury-prone players (Cunners, Marchy, Philp, OMac), natural attrition of kids who likely won't make it (probably just Parks), and then a number of depth players who just aren't offering much of note (Dow, Fog, Setters).

10 names there, probably not hard to cut 6-8.

Yeah fair enough, sounds about right tbh. Forgot about the injury prone players that will be probably be cut.

 

[FRUMPY]

What are the 7-8 changes?

Just my opinion:

Definites (7):
Ed Curnow
Parks
Fogarty
Wiliamson
McDonald
Tall Durdin
Hayes

Potential (5):
Dow - i think he'll be traded for a pack of chips
Setterfield - think he'll be retained due to no-one wanting him and can be depth
Philp - think he'll be delisted
Cuningham - think they'll keep
Marchank - think they'll keep

Then there may be a surprise trade at some point, either someone wants out or we want someone really bad we're willing to offer someone you might not think of.

 

[El Topo]

Would love us to invest heavily in the draft as a low cost way to address our weak flanks, these are all spots where young players with pace and aggression can make an immediate impact

 

[agro]

Grundy very gettable - and would fill a very urgent need of getting the ball to the advantage of our “one wood” - but not sure how we manage it.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Just my opinion:

Definites (7):
Ed Curnow
Parks
Fogarty
Wiliamson
McDonald
Tall Durdin
Hayes

Potential (5):
Dow - i think he'll be traded for a pack of chips
Setterfield - think he'll be retained due to no-one wanting him and can be depth
Philp - think he'll be delisted
Cuningham - think they'll keep
Marchank - think they'll keep

Then there may be a surprise trade at some point, either someone wants out or we want someone really bad we're willing to offer someone you might not think of.

I wouldn’t be surprised if any of those 12 plus Stocker and Newnes weren’t on the list next season. I think there will be between 6 and 9 changes. How tight the salary cap is getting and how hard Curnow, TDK and Harry are pushing their price will play a big role imo.

 

[FRUMPY]

I wouldn’t be surprised if any of those 12 plus Stocker and Newnes weren’t on the list next season. I think there will be between 6 and 9 changes. How tight the salary cap is getting and how hard Curnow, TDK and Harry are pushing their price will play a big role imo.

exactly, first year under voss, reckon we may chop a few more than what most expect

 

[bmaurizio]

Grundy very gettable - and would fill a very urgent need of getting the ball to the advantage of our “one wood” - but not sure how we manage it.

Yes he would be a great addition, could release Cripps to the forward line for longer periods, Grund‘s tap work is intelligent and placed to advantage, almost another good a tall midfielder.

 

[YeahGnar]

I'd be targeting both Scholl and Amon. Need 2 dedicated wingers, will give us the much needed run and carry / chase on the outside when we loose ruck/contested ball. Would look like a different team.

With Jones salary, and any delistings, we could afford them both

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[Jimmae]

Grundy is not the path to sustained success. Pre trade Medicals have not shortened our injury list. A 50% salary dump still burdens our cap by 500,000

Grundy is a ruckman who has an output modelling, risk factors, and a cost for us to acquire and contract. That should be assessed appropriately.

We've got far less talented players with far worse track records in terms of being able to physically perform. We need to clean the list of this to an extent, but you need to look at the data, then you need to look at the individual case and make an assessment.

 

[Coona Blues]

Would love us to invest heavily in the draft as a low cost way to address our weak flanks, these are all spots where young players with pace and aggression can make an immediate impact

100%

While we definitely need developing KPP players, as well as depth in that area, the biggest current weakness is outside run and connection.

The more I study the draft options, the more I come back to Oliver Hollands with our first. Our second pick should absolutely be a key position type, there are a few options who may get to our second pick, but no standouts as genuine KPP. Next year shapes as an excellent draft for talls. There are some good young talls this year, but the better ones will be gone before our second pick. Our third pick would come down to best available to fit our needs, and will be largely dependent on who is retained and delisted.

I see us NEEDING three picks in the main draft. Ideally a spot to trade in a value player (Sholl is the one being trumpeted)
We need to get creative with the rookie list. Protocols for moving players from the main list to the rookie list have varied in recent years. Last year’s model allowed contracted players to (safely) move to the rookie list between the main draft and the rookie draft. The delist and re-rookie option still exists as we did with LOB and Cotts. LOB was to create a main list vacancy, while Cotts had served his time on the rookie list and had to be re rookied. Both are eligible to stay on the rookie list for two more years, leading me to think our promotions are likely to be Owies who must be elevated and Boyd and/or Mirkov(contracted). We need to reduce our rookie numbers by two to offset the numbers acquired in the mid season draft, putting us over and above.

Essentially, I believe we will be looking to create a minimum of six main list vacancies. At a pinch we can reduce rookie numbers and increase the main list by two, although I don’t think that would be the preference. Jones and Williamson already give us two spots, Ed Curnow to retire, I expect Newnes to retire, Fogarty doesn’t seem to fit in senior calculations. After that we need another one or two vacancies created. Plenty of talk of Dow being moved on despite being contracted, his lack of TOG last week suggests he doesn’t have Vossies confidence. Perhaps a candidate to to some rookie list shuffling. Likewise Sam Philp who has been dogged by injury would be a candidate to revert to rookie status, he can’t be delisted like a few are suggesting. Only the club knows where Cuningham’s future is at, but if returns to fitness, it is hard to see him being delisted. Talk of delisting Marchbank is fanciful. Setterfield holds value as, at least depth, inside and out, but would have to agree to a reduced contract. The other being discussed is Stocker, who a couple of confidants are adamant is under threat of being moved on or delisted. IMO is not a genuine defender, but appears reluctant to either do the hard yards to build his tank, or perhaps adjust lifestyle and diet to the levels to allow him to assume what appears an obvious role in the middle.

Plenty want to flick McDonald after two injury riddled seasons. He has had surgery to fix the problem, which had been previously “managed”. Plenty of reports suggest he will be retained, and I support this. Was preferred to Young early and proved to be a leader in the defensive group. Will be given every chance to prove the issue is behind him. I would actually go through the delisting process with him, on the understanding that a solid, injury free preseason guarantees an SSP pick up. This has benefits, in that it restarts his rookie eligibility, allowing a required player to sit outside the main list. If McDonald is retained, Sam Durdin would be unlikely to be, similarly if we are trading/drafting outside midfield/wing types, Hayes would be surplus. Luke Parks is a good kid, but limited, having McGovern, Marchbank, Kemp and Akuei as well as likely a developing tall, leaves little need to retain him.

If this plays out along the lines I suggest, we would have a rookie vacancy or two which could be used on project tall(s). )I do have a fanciful notion of adding an “on field” ruck coach with the last rookie spot, as I have plenty of faith in TDK and Mirkov, but believe they would do well with some alternate mentoring - the system lends itself to being creative with the soft cap)

 

[Revenant1965]

We currently provisionally have draft picks 12, 30, 61, 66 and 84 (have traded 3rd from this year). Obviously final ladder position plus F/S will change that. Making an assumption AFL grants a 3rd round compo pick for Jones, that makes a 'normal' complement of picks. Delistings won't bring in any draft picks.
Questions are:

1) Will there be any major trades that will see us either lose or gain draft picks? Cannot see too much here unless a late 2nd, early 3rd for a Dow/Stocker/Kemp type trade, with a 3rd, or future 3rd for a Sholl/McAsey type trades. I am guessing there will be ins and outs, but they will probably essentially balance out, and not to significantly change draft hand.

2) will there be another UFA or DFA signing? I am guessing that with current and future years salary cap, with players like Curnow, Walsh, McKay, Cripps, Weitering, plus some others Williams, Saad, Docherty, Cerra, Hewett, etc means not a large amount of wriggle room. I am guessing, but I reckon there will be 1 signing here

3) will there be any trading of picks? It will probably happen, but I cannot see major action here. Anyone looking for points will be talking to GC first (who have a swathe of picks they cannot use), and then probably Geelong and Pies after that.

4) what sort of movement between Primary and Rookie list that will count as draft picks. At this stage it seems like 1 (Owies). But can that change?

5) how many draft picks, what type of player should be targeted in the draft?

 

[djholmes]

We should go all in for Grundy. A grade ruckman is what we are missing.

B: Marchbank-------------Weitering------------Newman

H: Williams---------------McGovern------------Saad

C: Docherty---------------Cripps--------------Cuningham

H: Silvagni---------------C.Curnow-------------Martin

F: Motlop------------------McKay---------------Honey

Foll: Grundy, Hewett, Walsh

Bench: De Koning, Kennedy, Cerra, Fisher