List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[BigBreakfast]

Who are we leaving out to improve our run?

I doubt it will be anyone from the backline (as in creating a new spot)- we are struggling to fit them all in as it is. We have plenty of run there with everyone available.

The midfield 5 more or less pick themselves. You could argue Kennedy due to lower minutes, but it's his spot to lose.

We have more wingers than this year, so we are not going to "lose" a spot there.

Harry and Charlie play. Motlop and Fisher almost certainly play. If TDK does a full pre-season, he gets fitter and he almost certainly plays.

By a process of elimination, Jack is vulnerable, along with maybe playing one less small forward. Martin will need to be fully fit to be a certainty, but if he is, he will play in front of Jack. Kemp is gunning for a spot. His best chance is if Pittonet is not ready, but it is not ideal to have Jack rucking.

We can't pick the same 22 and expect to charge up the ladder. Who do you think is vulnerable in order to allow us to become a better running team?

One of the few players on our list with actual footy smarts and instincts. Courageous to a fault. I’ll take him over Martin every day and twice for night games.
TDK and Pitto will rarely be fit at the same time. Kemp isn’t close to taking Jack’s spot. Fisher and Motlop play different roles and I don’t think Motlop is best 23 anyway.
By process of including our best footballers, I would be comfortable in believing Voss would want Jack in the side.

 

[BigBreakfast]

They are 2 of our best runners though? Marchbank is also very good endurance-wise for his size.

I don't see us waiting a year to fix a known problem, given we now have more options. Selection late in the year suggests we don't want to play Pitt, TDK and Jack in the same team.

Agree Carroll and Hollands are likely candidates to come in at some stage.

Neither of whom get a lot of the footy. Others have been added to replace these guys, not Jack. The tactical sub changes the selection outlook as you can go bigger early when the wheels are fresh and get one off later.
It’s one thing to have run, you have to be able to get the footy and lay a tackle in LOB’s case.

 

[Earls Smother]

One of the few players on our list with actual footy smarts and instincts. Courageous to a fault. I’ll take him over Martin every day and twice for night games.
TDK and Pitto will rarely be fit at the same time. Kemp isn’t close to taking Jack’s spot. Fisher and Motlop play different roles and I don’t think Motlop is best 23 anyway.
By process of including our best footballers, I would be comfortable in believing Voss would want Jack in the side.

That's fine and thanks for responding with your reasons. I know he is all of those things.

Whether we like it or not, there must be some players in our team who are not meeting the league-best running standards relative to their position. The team can't be lacking overall running power, without some of the components within it being culpable. Who are they? I don't know, but I am interested in discussing it with others that might have opinions. I have mine as I've stated - I think a couple of forward spots are likely to be replaced with better runners like Carroll, Cottrell (assuming Acres on that wing) and Hollands when ready. Those guys would then rotate through the wing/mid positions, so are not really just forwards.

If you want to pick Jack over Motlop, we just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Earls Smother]

Neither of whom get a lot of the footy. Others have been added to replace these guys, not Jack. The tactical sub changes the selection outlook as you can go bigger early when the wheels are fresh and get one off later.
It’s one thing to have run, you have to be able to get the footy and lay a tackle in LOB’s case.

Agree with the first sentence and it is an issue. But if we replace our best runners with equally good runners, how are we improving our running? They lack in other aspects, but they are both in our top 5 runners.

Assuming we replace them and end up neutral from a running perspective, we then need to improve other positions (running-wise) don't we?

 

[gandaal]

Carlton's win/loss

When Fisher has 29+ possessions: 6 wins 2 losses
When Fisher had less than 20: 6 wins 8 losses

 

[Michael Jezz]

They are 2 of our best runners though? Marchbank is also very good endurance-wise for his size.

I don't see us waiting a year to fix a known problem, given we now have more options. Selection late in the year suggests we don't want to play Pitt, TDK and Jack in the same team.

Agree Carroll and Hollands are likely candidates to come in at some stage.

Yes, you are not going far in Afl if Obrien and Cottrell are your best outside types. We are trying to replace them with better options. In a good side Cottrel is the sub

 

[Arr0w]

I don't agree about Owies or LOB, but I agree with pretty much the rest of this assessment
Rapidly losing patience with Fisher..
I don't know exactly what's gone sour with him, but he has not kicked on as I hoped.

With our growing depth and last few (imho) very solid national draft selections, if Fish doesn't go back to something resembling hid form of his first couple of seasons in the AFL, I can see him being shown the door/traded by Vossy.

Fisher might get surpassed, but he just had his best output year

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

not specific enough - show your working or gtfo.........

Geez tad harsh, thought it was short but on the money…

If you’re expecting a GBAT breakdown of the highest caliber, then…





GAGF…………

 

[BlueGum]

That's fine and thanks for responding with your reasons. I know he is all of those things.

Whether we like it or not, there must be some players in our team who are not meeting the league-best running standards relative to their position. The team can't be lacking overall running power, without some of the components within it being culpable. Who are they? I don't know, but I am interested in discussing it with others that might have opinions. I have mine as I've stated - I think a couple of forward spots are likely to be replaced with better runners like Carroll, Cottrell (assuming Acres on that wing) and Hollands when ready. Those guys would then rotate through the wing/mid positions, so are not really just forwards.

If you want to pick Jack over Motlop, we just agree to disagree and move on.

Its a possibility that they turn a couple of forward positions into forward/mid/wing rotations (like they did with Walsh this year), but listening to Voss before the draft I'd reckon on an inside mid/s being replaced by a mid/s with run. He said they were after more balance.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Its a possibility that they turn a couple of forward positions into forward/mid/wing rotations (like they did with Walsh this year), but listening to Voss before the draft I'd reckon on an inside mid/s being replaced by a mid/s with run. He said they were after more balance.

If we can improve on that BG foward/midfield/wing rotations, with a higher level of ball movement/entries, scoreboard impact along with forward pressure and retention then that’s another key piece to improving a few missing areas in our game…

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Carlton's win/loss

When Fisher has 29+ possessions: 6 wins 2 losses
When Fisher had less than 20: 6 wins 8 losses

Are possessions the same thing as disposals?

 

[BlueGum]

If we can improve on that BG foward/midfield/wing rotations, with a higher level of ball movement/entries, scoreboard impact along with forward pressure and retention then that’s another key piece to improving a few missing areas in our game…

Agree but also reckon the forwards get a bum w/rap because the mids aren't always doing the defensive running, so the mids have to go further afield away from the big sticks.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Agree but also reckon the forwards get a bum w/rap because the mids aren't always doing the defensive running, so the mids have to go further afield away from the big sticks.

100%
That’s the Achilles heel predicament we are facing, we are now blessed in a way with possessing such a depth of strong contested midfielders, but many that can’t cover us defensively on the outside with pace or defensive run once the opposition flick it out into space and are of and running…

Centre bounces, around the ground setups need a better balance of pure clearances along with speed coverage offensively and defensively, we were horribly opened up far to easily on occasions last season…

 

[Earls Smother]

Are possessions the same thing as disposals?

Generally yes. But you can possess the ball, get tackled high, tripped or whatever and advantage is called, so you don't get the disposal.

 

[Earls Smother]

Its a possibility that they turn a couple of forward positions into forward/mid/wing rotations (like they did with Walsh this year), but listening to Voss before the draft I'd reckon on an inside mid/s being replaced by a mid/s with run. He said they were after more balance.

Makes perfect sense, but again will be unpopular because it will be Kennedy that goes (unless Hewett's back is not right).

People will say - he can take a mark and is a good kick for goal, push him forward. So then a forward has to go and we end up with the same question.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Makes perfect sense, but again will be unpopular because it will be Kennedy that goes (unless Hewett's back is not right).

People will say - he can take a mark and is a good kick for goal, push him forward. So then a forward has to go and we end up with the same question.

Running capacity is being identified - there’s no denying that.

I think Kennedy is on the cusp now, as he will be considered behind Crippa & Hewett

Acres & Hollands/ LOB/ Cotts will fight out for the other wing

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Generally yes. But you can possess the ball, get tackled high, tripped or whatever and advantage is called, so you don't get the disposal.

Okay, I was just hoping Carlton weren't relying on Fish to get over 29 for us to win a game.

 

[BlueSuede]

Running capacity is being identified - there’s no denying that.

I think Kennedy is on the cusp now, as he will be considered behind Crippa & Hewett

Acres & Hollands/ LOB/ Cotts will fight out for the other wing

I've been starting to think the same thing about Kennedy. I'm not saying it is going to happen, or that I want it to happen, but I could see that he might be replaced by a player like Carroll or Kemp, should they come on.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Not too shabby when you look at the collective ins and outs...

IN
Blake Acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

(trade, Fremantle), Jaxon Binns (No.32 draft pick), Lachie Cowan (No.30 draft pick), Oliver Hollands (No.11 draft pick), Harry Lemmey (No.47 draft pick)

OUT
Will Hayes

40

Will Hayes

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

No current season stats available

D

15.8

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

(delisted), Oscar McDonald (delisted), Jack Newnes (delisted), Luke Parks (delisted), Will Setterfield (trade, Essendon), Liam Stocker (delisted), Tom Williamson (delisted)

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Okay, I was just hoping Carlton weren't relying on Fish to get over 29 for us to win a game.

I’ve always been a big fan and believer in Fish’s abilities, has some unique qualities, so with him now starting to finally fill out some more and put on some much needed body strength/mass, core strength and improving his aerobic base he will be become a much more dangerous player in our team as it starts to hit its straps…
Enjoyed that our coaching group started rolling him a little more through centre/onball rotations on occasions as the year rolled on to change up the dynamics of our midfield at times, he is the type imo that will thrive in a now much better improving team and system…
Everything gels could be a 25 goal & greater assist forward/midfield impact player which we are crying out for…

 

[Cringle]

Wonder where Kemp fits in all this.

Coming into his 3rd season with some games under his belt.

Is there a player he reminds anyone of yet?

 

[Cringle]

Wonder where Kemp fits in all this.

Coming into his 3rd season with some games under his belt.

Is there a player he reminds anyone of yet?

Goddard

 

[thylacine60]

wanna know something interesting about goddard?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Wonder where Kemp fits in all this.

Coming into his 3rd season with some games under his belt.

Is there a player he reminds anyone of yet?

I break it down to
Kemp v JSOS for 3rd forward tall
Gov v Marchy for 3rd back tall
Boyd v Newman for smallish defender
Martin v Fisher v Cunners for 1 or 2 mid sized forwards (hopefully one that can actually kick goals)
Mots v Durdin for 1 or 2 small forwards....................... (as above)

 

[Blue and Silver]

wanna know something interesting about goddard?

We're waiting