I thought so. I'm not sure why we did that deal. I don't see how being super favourable to the player benefits us.
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There is no evidence we have salary cap issues, we have stated that we don't.
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I haven't got an issue with Durdin - and I don't think I'm inferring that even slightly in my post.
My suggestion of Tomlinson is that I reckon he's the best mature defender/utility across all clubs who currently isn't getting a game. (he's got May, Lever and Petty in front of him). Just think he'd give us some flexibility.
Players like Mark Blicavs are very hard to find.
Levi Casboult would be very handy right about now, and would have been extremely handier during the course of the past season as well.
Seriously you are still going about this, our list overall is in pretty good shape, very clear direction from the club 12 months ago it was going to the draft this year, find it hard to understand why you continue to keep raising this topic, every list will need fine tuning, but very clear the club is backing in the list it has and bringing some young players via the draft.
It has signed pretty all our best players to long term deals, it is now about finding some further players via the draft rather than trading out picks for further players from other clubs, which we have done for the past 2-3 years.
It's been easy to get players to come to us because they know they are likely to be getting a game. It's going to be very hard to get mature players to come to us if they know they will be in the reserves. Someone like Tomlinson will be unlikely to want to come to Carlton to sit in our reserves and wait for games, if he's going to do that he may as well stay.
We need to try and recruit players who are still developing for that like we did with young.
Being 3rd or 4th ruck or being 3rd or 4th tall forward at Carlton is not appealing. This is the challenge we face. A raw youngster may be keen but it's still not an appealing prospect unless money and/or contract length is overs.
We do have a strong list and most of our best 22 is set. This is the challenge and why hitting the draft is probably a good idea.
We need to try and recruit players who are still developing for that like we did with young.
Being 3rd or 4th ruck or being 3rd or 4th tall forward at Carlton is not appealing. This is the challenge we face. A raw youngster may be keen but it's still not an appealing prospect unless money and/or contract length is overs.
We do have a strong list and most of our best 22 is set. This is the challenge and why hitting the draft is probably a good idea.
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To be fair though ... we're hardly going to come out shouting that we've got cap issues.
I think that there's a combo of waiting for the overall cap to increase, along with us going longer with key assets as risk mitigation for the impending addition of a 19th club ... and that's got us in a bit of a holding pattern this year.
This is why I am adamant we need a Phoenix Foster, Olivier Northam or similar in this draft. Both more forward than ruck, but absolutely project as viable second ruck types at AFL level. Will take a year or three to be AFL ready, but it is an investment in the future. Knowledge that we have our depth developing and in he perfect world, actually provide a long term foil for TDK rather than overface a willing but undersized JSOS. The player would almost immediately provide a tall target for our seconds far more viable than the current Dom Akuei or Glass-McCasker.Players like Mark Blicavs are very hard to find.
Levi Casboult would be very handy right about now, and would have been extremely handier during the course of the past season as well.
There is a difference between having salary cap issues (for example gold coast, who were going to be more than 2mil over next year if they didn’t shed players or GWS who, including hopper, had 6 players netting over 1 million next year each) and having cap space to bring in established players.
We have a little wiggle room that has allowed us to sign our major players, with a contract or two still needing to be sorted out.
But as I said at the start of the trade period, this year is about consolidating our list, making sure we have enough depth players for coverage, but also ensuring we no longer have players who play majority in the vfl team on historically larger contracts.
We are setting ourselves up with a strong core, a salary cap that we have a fair idea about for the next 4 years, with some space opening up at the end of next year if we wish to top up again.
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Nice work.
Can't delist & Re-rookie both Curnow & Fogarty, as we only have one Rookie spot available. Also, highly suspect Fogarty has an extra year on his contract, given he hasn't been spoken about by the club during the trade period. Further, we don't really gain anything by delisting & rookie'ing Ed. It's the difference between a 37/5 senior/rookie split, and a 36/6. Both are viable.
If we can get 18 and 19 from GWS it would definitely be worth considering - 19 can be a very valuable pick, as it is the first pick on day 2 of the draft. Could lead to a number of offers. Which of course, might mean it is hard to pry out of GWS. Think we'd have to use 49 rather than 66.
No one can read minds, so its a fallacy and even the example I gave of the Cats and many other sides, it's more about having repeat experience in these crucial moments, a prime core in an age/experience range
Next year is the start of our prime years, and I believe we will make finals, whether we add flag experience or not
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if the club wanted to make an example to the rest of the list losing an F3 or F4 isn't all that expensive, all things considered.
Seems a decent young man, shows some effort on the field, speaks well about his mental illness and is good looking, it's no wonder he's been a fan favourite but there's been rumours of him falling out with teammates and club officials for years so it's not really a surprise
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Yeah pick up a player who never wanted to come to the club in the first place, that's good list management.
What example did delisting Stocker set for the rest of the players? That he didn’t fit the mould of a typical footballer? Didn’t gel with the group? Ruffled the feathers of the coaching staff?
FWIW, I feel with the outs (Setters & Stocker especially), we are light on for depth. Relying on the likes of Cunners and Philip to come good and play consistently is a risky move without some experienced backup. Really surprised we didn’t take at least one more depth player (mid/wing etc). I’d have liked us to at least consider players such as Sholl, Mathieson etc who at their best can contribute to the senior team if/when required.
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no idea, I'm not on the inside. have heard he had contract expectations not in line with his perceived role and that he didn't following coaching and fitness directives but it's all scuttlebutt.
Players like Mark Blicavs are very hard to find.
Levi Casboult would be very handy right about now, and would have been extremely handier during the course of the past season as well.
Too right - David king made a good point on SEN when people were discussing the merits of a gun ruckman citing Gawn, Grundie etc.
He said Geelong changed the game with Blicavs turning the ruck position into 15-20 disposal player and extra mid.
Cripps is only a few centimetres shorter than Blicavs and he’s a 30 disposal a game player.
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Insufficient time in our new systems. Players are thinking about what to do or where to go and where to expect a teammate next rather than just doing it and knowing they'll be there.
That takes time to bed down.
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Voss and Hansen said the same thing in the preseason, our incredible start to the year papered over that I think.
We seriously have to learn and correct past mismanagement and there will be more clearing of dead wood next year.
I'm reasonably excited with new non nonsense way forward of Sayers and Cook so much better times going forward.
Have full confidence in Austin will bring in some good young talent too and Acres is fine short term.
Securing our best players is normal procedure nothing exceptional a club would have to be a basket case to be unable to do that .
Maybe but how about Docherty's dump kicks out on the full in red time.
Obrien hitting the ball into open space-red time.
Owies inability to hit a 15m pass red time.
Curnow's missing from 30m and failing to take the ball and run into an open goal.
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Got nothing for the players who had currency. Still got Dow. Picked up a list clogger. And no winning experience coming in which is priority number one for this list right now.
I think we have managed our cap really well, we have wiggle room, a really good list and we know where we are at with most of our long term star talent. As you said, it looks like we wont have regular VFL players on big dollars.
As long as the salary cap is sustainable, aren't losing required players and are still able to sign who we need then things are good. This appears to be where we are at.
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