List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[Chewy316]

He’s contracted, do you recon he’s going to sit of out of the AFL until his contract with us expires?

No, obviously not.

He’d come back here and be motivated to put in an other good year to attract big money offers from Victoria.

As I said in the above post which you have quoted, I don't think anything that Dan said on Monday night influenced their decision to accept or reject the deal.

 

[TeeKray]

Why don't people just accept that the club is rightfully happy to move on and give an opportunity to a talented and hungry young player instead of an entitled and toxic jerk?

 

[Lambot]

Haha FMD. Dan was in our leadership group, so clearly not considered an "entitled and toxic jerk" until 15 minutes ago.

Fans are so stupid. As soon as a player gets traded they're toxic. Regardless of the years he spent at our club as highly regarded person.

Enjoy eating up what the club is feeding you.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Dunno where I originally posted this but here it is again.

I've been banging on about the development of key position players for a while now. It started as just defence but eventually overflowed to forwards and then to rucks.

During Hinkley's reign he's struggled to develop the majority of tall players and the LIst Development haven't given him any favours.

We've got year, player, draft selection, then brackets game played.
If no, number then traded in.

2012, Tom Clurey 29 [124], Mason Shaw 30 [0], Jack Hombsch [89]
2013, Mitchell Harvey 45 [0], Brent Renouf R44 [16]
2014 Dougal Howard 56 [45], Logan Austin 59 [13], Billy Frampton 84 [3], Paddy Ryder [73]
2015
2016, Todd Marshall 16 [116], Peter Ladhams R9 [32], Bretty Eddy R26 [3], Jarrod Lienert R42 [23], Charlie Dixon [156]
2017, Sam Hayes 47 [11], Jack Watts [21], Trent McKenzie [58]
2018, Riley Grundy 73 [0], Scott Lycett [71]
2019, Mitch Georgiades 19 [69], Jake Pasini R8 [0], Wylie Buzza [9]
2020, Ollie Lord 49 [19], Aliir Aliir [92]
2021, Dante Visentini 56 [6], Jeremy Finlayson [54], Sam Skinner [2]
2022, Tom McCallum 36 [0], Tom Scully 53 [0], Kyle Marshall 59 [0] Brynn Teakle M8 [6]
2023, Xavier Walsh R13 [0], Esava Ratugolea [23], Brandon Zerk-Thatcher [26], Ivan Soldo [8], Jordon Sweet [17]

From the home grown talent, we have three lower draft picks in Clurey, Marshall and Georgiades getting games. Next is Dougal Howard. Then not a lot after.

With trades we have clear winners in Dixon, Aliir, Hombsch, Ryder, Lycett, Finlayson, McKenzie and recently Sweet and Zerk-Thatcher.

It is around 2020 when we started to get some issues with the tall timber. In 2020, by all accounts, we luck upon Aliir. In 2021, we try out Skinner. In 2022, all of the picks we bring in are key position players, including Teakle. By 2023, we are super desperate and overpay for four missing key position players.

I'm not going to go super deep into analysis but you can see the lack of key position players being picked in the first or second round and when we have invested it has been pretty good with Clurey, Marshall and Georgiades. After those early picks, the majority of our tall stocks have come from trading.

In recent times, the poor list management and development coaching has meant we've had to pay overs to be at least competitive with our tall players.

KEY FORWARDS

Mitch Georgiades - looking great
Todd Marshall - serious injury issues
Esava Ratugolea - honest tryer
Jeremy Finlayson - soft, more backup
Ollie Lord - young and unknown
Tom Scully - yet to debut for the Power

There is Mitch and five question marks. Hopefully Lukosius can play that third tall. He will give us a good, second tall option.

KEY DEFENDERS

Aliir Aliir - very good, 30 but a young 30
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher - pretty good
Miles Bergman - excellent up and coming 3rd tall
Tom Clurey - Clayton's delisting
Kyle Marshall - yet to debut
Xavier Walsh - yet to debut

We should be happy with our tall defenders but we could always upgrade Zerk but he's pretty good.

RUCK

Jordon Sweet - number 1 but would love a bit more around the ground
Ivan Soldo - wanting to be traded
Dante Visentini - talented and waiting in the wings

We should be happy with our ruck situation. Once again, it could be better but we have rucks. I guess another developing ruck should be brought in.

Excellent research, I’ve only ever bothered to look at it from the lens of first and second round picks when it comes to KPP so it’s great to have a view of them all.

I think this just reinforces my view that it’s not a lack of development per se but just piss poor list management. Something I’ve been going on about for years in particular regarding our KPD.

The fact that Clurey from back in 2012 remains the highest pick we’ve spent on a KPD is insanity to me. Haven’t used a first rounder on a KPD since Chaplin in 03. A lazy 21 years.

We atleast tried to correct this up forward and finally used some earlier picks on Marshall and Georgiades and lo and behold, they have had much greater success to no surprise.

A breakdown of those KPP draft positions is as below (ignoring trade ins).

1-19: 2
20-29: 1
30-39: 2
40-49: 3
50-59: 6
60+ and Rookie: 10

3/24 picks on KPP have been top 30 picks. We’re not going to have much success with that. The success rate of KPP from 50+ is low. Yet we are continuing to put over 50% of our eggs into that basket for our stocks then we wonder why we don’t have anyone or need to blow even more picks at the trade table.

We’ve just been bloody lucky we were able to trade in some of those players as otherwise we simply hadn’t even tried to draft to fill those holes. Imagine Aliir didn’t come. Lycett (was decent for a bit) or Ryder and hopefully Luko pays off big. Then we have also thrown some Hail Mary shots at terrible KPP players like Buzza, Skinner etc who were just simply big and tall and we hoped would fill in space.

However the fact we have dug ourselves a hole from a list management perspective is known to other teams. They know how desperate we are to fill those gaps and then we end up getting ripped off with trading first rounders or splitting earlier picks to fill those gaps, as we did last year.

I think our list management has been crap for years yet as we have enough midfield talent to carry the team to enough wins, the complete lack of attention to the other areas gets ignored.

Ken gets piled onto and for good reason however IMO our poor list management needs to be put under the spotlight as well.

We haven’t been able to rely on academies or FS hits so we have to actually invest in good players. Which we’ve chosen not to do to instead try and remain competitive.

 

[snozulu]

Why don't people just accept that the club is rightfully happy to move on and give an opportunity to a talented and hungry young player instead of an entitled and toxic jerk?

I'm just so happy that McEntee is still in our best 22.

 

[TeeKray]

Haha FMD. Dan was in our leadership group, so clearly not considered an "entitled and toxic jerk" until 15 minutes ago.

Fans are so stupid. As soon as a player gets traded they're toxic. Regardless of the years he spent at our club as highly regarded person.

Enjoy eating up what the club is feeding you.

So highly regarded that he was described as "idiotic" by the GM of football a few years ago.

Such a great leader that he upped and left with 4 years left on a contract less than 12 months after being added to the leadership group.

Such a great guy that he made it clear on Tuesday night in the coldest way imaginable to a very senior person at the club who has supported him for the last decade and who he actually owes his entire football career to (as well as the millions that come with it) that he would not be returning to the club.

If you think that his behaviour is indicative of the type of person you want at your football club, let alone supposedly leading your football club, then you have a very different idea of what that looks like than I do.

 

[Powerade 08]

Haha FMD. Dan was in our leadership group, so clearly not considered an "entitled and toxic jerk" until 15 minutes ago.

Fans are so stupid. As soon as a player gets traded they're toxic. Regardless of the years he spent at our club as highly regarded person.

Enjoy eating up what the club is feeding you.

The Port Adelaide leadership group? Impressive.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

So highly regarded that he was described as "idiotic" by the GM of football a few years ago.

Such a great leader that he upped and left with 4 years left on a contract less than 12 months after being added to the leadership group.

Such a great guy that he made it clear on Tuesday night in the coldest way imaginable to a very senior person at the club who has supported him for the last decade and who he actually owes his entire football career to (as well as the millions that come with it) that he would not be returning to the club.

If you think that his behaviour is indicative of the type of person you want at your football club, let alone supposedly leading your football club, then you have a very different idea of what that looks like than I do.

If this is correct, I’m glad the club traded him. Why accomodate someone who clearly doesn’t want to be here & has the audacity to tell the club he has no intention of coming back.

It sounds like his mind was made up a long time ago & his public declaration of club loyalty & affection was complete bollocks.

 

[Lambot]

If this is correct

Highly doubtful

 

[Minotaur2]

Why don't people just accept that the club is rightfully happy to move on and give an opportunity to a talented and hungry young player instead of an entitled and toxic jerk?

What evidence do you have to support any of that?

 

[Rising Power]

Is jaksch short for what Port got out of the trade?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

According to 7 news:

Boak to announce future plans in the coming days.

Additional delistings to be announced next week.

 

[TeeKray]

Highly doubtful

Do you think I just made that up out of nowhere?

 

[rainwizard39]

Oh, it’s Kristian Jaksch

Kristian Jaksch

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

MG

212.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.4

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

’s sister. Port is playing the long game here with the Jaksch height genetics and Houston’s ability, we’ll get a good fs. Well played, Jason Cripps.

Player not found

He’s outsmarted everyone.

 

[Port 2004]

We’ll get a late first rounder from Geelong for butters

Butters isn’t leaving ffs.

 

[Relativity]

The 23 or 29 pick stuff comes down to whether or not they believed it was worth kyboshing the deal over a difference of 6 selections in a point of the draft that is very even talent wise.

Not having a shot at you but clearly Richmond (3 premierships over the last 7 years) thought it was worth kyboshing. And they got 23. And 6 clubs get to pick the eyes out of the remaining top end talent before we do.

Every now and then the lion needs to roar and eat the feck out of the jackals. We whimper.

 

[Chewy316]

Not having a shot at you but clearly Richmond (3 premierships over the last 7 years) thought it was worth kyboshing. And they got 23. And 6 clubs get to pick the eyes out of the remaining top end talent before we do.

Every now and then the lion needs to roar and eat the feck out of the jackals. We whimper.

My point was more that Gold Coast had no incentive to trade 23 to Port. It wasn't as if Port had any leverage when it came to pick 23. Whereas Richmond had the leverage because Rioli wanted to get to Gold Coast and Hardwick wanted him big time. Put that together with the way Gold Coast swiped Hardwick away from Richmond and there's a lot of bad blood there.

If Port were dealing directly with Gold Coast on a trade whereby a player from Port wanted to get to the GC, then they may have had more leverage to get further involved in the pick 23 discussion.

 

[TeeKray]

Hardwick is still yet to address the most pressing issue at the SUNS - that is, their inability to correctly sing their club song.

We are the SUNS of the Gold Coast sky, we are the ones in the red, gold and blue

We are the SUNS of the Gold Coast sky, we are one in the red, gold and blue

As seemingly the only person in the world who is aware of this issue, I'm willing to offer my services as a consultant to help them work through it.

 

[Relativity]

...... It wasn't as if Port had any leverage when it came to pick 23. .....

But they did. Via the wobblers.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I’ll spew up if Butters ever plays for Geelong

I'd rather trade Butters to any other club for a future third than trade him to Geelong for every pick in the first round put together.

 

[Schulzenfest]

What incentive did Gold Coast have to give 23 to Port as opposed to 29?

Why didn't we give them an incentive? Say we're not doing the deal without it. They don't get Noble and they're stuck with Luko and Ratkins' unwanted contracts.

This is what you somehow don't seem to understand about trading. You just accept that we always have to bend over because some other club refuses to. Somehow it doesn't occur to you that maybe we could be the club who stands up for itself for a change. If that means some deals don't get done, so be it.

 

[longdonkey]

I'd rather trade Butters to any other club for a future third than trade him to Geelong for every pick in the first round put together.

we owe Geelong the rogering of a lifetime

 

[Chewy316]

Why didn't we give them an incentive? Say we're not doing the deal without it. They don't get Noble and they're stuck with Luko's contract.

This is what you somehow don't seem to understand about trading. You just accept that we always have to bend over because some other club refuses to. Somehow it doesn't occur to you that maybe we could be the club who stands up for itself for a change. If that means some deals don't get done, so be it.

I'm going to put you on ignore now because 1) I understand a helluva lot more about the intricacies of the situation than you, and 2) I'm sick of you arguing about the same bloody viewpoints just from a tiny different angle.

We are oil and water on this and that is perfectly ok. Go and argue with someone who actually gives a shit.

 

[dirty2]

Isn’t Aliir in his thirties too? Might not be long until Esava is holding down CHB for the

It's official you have GWS flag under ya name now.

That makes you an official troll!

 

[Schulzenfest]

I'm going to put you on ignore now because 1) I understand a helluva lot more about the intricacies of the situation than you, and 2) I'm sick of you arguing about the same bloody viewpoints just from a tiny different angle.

We are oil and water on this and that is perfectly ok. Go and argue with someone who actually gives a shit.

Hahahaha. Ignore! You're just as gutless as our list management team

Tell us more about how Hinkley is going to get sacked any day now.