Traded Luke Jackson [Traded with #44 and #67 to Fremantle for #13, F1 and F2]

[RanaNaved]

English was elite for disposals/Intercept Possesions/Score Involvments/Marks/Meters Gained Above average for clearances/Inside 50s/Goals/Tackles/Pressure acts. He is average for his tap work would this not be exactly what they want an undersized Jackson to become?

Yeah, I'd take English over Jackson

 

[Duskfire]

The Melbourne fans wants us to look at Jackson’s non ruck stats to show us he is the 3rd best ruck in the league. But when compared to other ruck men those same stats don’t count because they are full time rucks. Can’t have it both ways. Tom Hawkins was pretty good in the ruck on the weekend.

He has played 2 seasons in a side that hardly lost a game

Yeah he is made out to be a prodigy when he hasn't really shown any evidence of that. He is being graded completely on potential which is fine, but he wouldn't be the first player to not reach their potential.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Yeah, I'd take English over Jackson

I was way too harsh and yes moronic about my previous comment about English, who has become a fine player, on the verge of being elite

Jackson has more of an X-Factor, ability to have more potential game changing/winning influence.

Depends on what you are looking for at your footy club.

 

[Foxman98]

I was way too harsh and yes moronic about my previous comment about English, who has become a fine player, on the verge of being elite

Jackson has more of an X-Factor, ability to have more potential game changing/winning influence.

Depends on what you are looking for at your footy club.

Have you not watched English? His ability to follow up and kick goals on the run and take a grab up forward is exactly what Freo are wanting Jackson to grow into. English in 6 less games playing 90% ruck kicked the same amount of goals as Jackson playing 50-60% forward. If you want a reference of what Jackson can be despite being a much shorter version English is the best yard stick to measure him too

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Have you not watched English? His ability to follow up and kick goals on the run and take a grab up forward is exactly what Freo are wanting Jackson to grow into. English in 6 less games playing 90% ruck kicked the same amount of goals as Jackson playing 50-60% forward. If you want a reference of what Jackson can be despite being a much shorter version English is the best yard stick to measure him too

Fair enough, I guess though I am still rating Jackson on last year and the Dees premiership. He was remarkable and had an brilliant finals series..

Will be fun to see how English and Jackson compete against each other over the next decade (hopefully we get several Dogs v Freo finals matches)

I have a theory that Jackson's drop off in form this season was due to fatigue, he was asked to do too much from Goodwin imo and already clocked so many miles for a 3rd year big man at AFL level.

I think he is ahead of English when your lad was the same age as Jackson is now.

Would love either at Carlton, TDK I hope becomes more of a backman like his more talented brother and I like Pittonet, but he is more of an old school ruckman who is limited around the ground.

 

[Foxman98]

Fair enough, I guess though I am still rating Jackson on last year and the Dees premiership. He was remarkable and had an brilliant finals series..

Will be fun to see how English and Jackson compete against each other over the next decade (hopefully we get several Dogs v Freo finals matches)

I have a theory that Jackson's drop off in form this season was due to fatigue, he was asked to do too much from Goodwin imo and already clocked so many miles for a 3rd year big man at AFL level.

I think he is ahead of English when your lad was the same age as Jackson is now.

Would love either at Carlton, TDK I hope becomes more of a backman like his more talented brother and I like Pittonet, but he is more of an old school ruckman who is limited around the ground.

He had a brilliant 3rd quarter in the GF his finals series as a whole was fairly meh, English was a starting ruckman at his age playing with Jackson Trengrove its hard to compare with Jackson sitting behind the perennial AA ruckman. Jackson has the potential to grow into a very good player but if he goes to Freo he is going to be a very expensive utility as he will always be behind Darcy as a ruck

 

[danster168]

The Melbourne fans wants us to look at Jackson’s non ruck stats to show us he is the 3rd best ruck in the league. But when compared to other ruck men those same stats don’t count because they are full time rucks. Can’t have it both ways. Tom Hawkins was pretty good in the ruck on the weekend.

He has played 2 seasons in a side that hardly lost a game

The only stat you need to look at is his age. Why compare him to other rucks who are in their prime in a juicy solo ruck role.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

He had a brilliant 3rd quarter in the GF his finals series as a whole was fairly meh, English was a starting ruckman at his age playing with Jackson Trengrove its hard to compare with Jackson sitting behind the perennial AA ruckman. Jackson has the potential to grow into a very good player but if he goes to Freo he is going to be a very expensive utility as he will always be behind Darcy as a ruck

I am one of those footy fans who still believes a team can function with two talented ruckman.

Darcy is a very good tap ruckman and I think having Jackson as support will actually help him and make him become even a better player..

Provided they stay healthy, I have Freo in my way too soon to predict top 4 for next season with Jackson (despite the players they are losing)

Very confident Jackson will be an absolute superstar for Fremantle.

 

[master bate]

Jackson played 1 game this year as a starting ruck, against Brisbane and he was in the top 3 on the ground. 21 disposals, 9 tackles, 6 inside 50’s.

Some of his best form came early in 2021 when we didn’t play 2 key forwards and he was tasked with a lot of playing CHF and did a great job. Late in 21 we had Brown and McDonald and Jackson had his forward minutes greatly slashed. The way Melbourne moved the ball late last year and this year doesn’t suit his game either. He’s very useful as a forward when the ball moves quickly and he can run, he’s not so good when he has to compete with older bodies or find space in traffic.

Here’s the thing, neither of those roles; primary ruck, forward/ruck are his best roles. That’s the other stuff he can do.

His best role is being the only other player in the competition with the height, fitness, lateral movement and acceleration to play the Blicavs role. On baller/ruck.

Geelong almost play with 19 on the field because they can sit their primary ruck wherever they want and use Blicavs to take ruck contests, contested forward of the ball or tag big mids. Which in turn allows them to keep Cameron at CHF and Hawkins inside 50 having a picnic until the ball comes down.

The demons didn’t want to experiment in the middle of a back to back premiership campaign. If Freo invest the minutes in to Jackson the same way Geelong have with Blicavs - playing key back and wing to round out his game - they’ll have an absolute weapon.

By the way, Blicavs debuted at 22, Jackson isn’t even 21 yet!

 

[danster168]

He had a brilliant 3rd quarter in the GF his finals series as a whole was fairly meh, English was a starting ruckman at his age playing with Jackson Trengrove its hard to compare with Jackson sitting behind the perennial AA ruckman. Jackson has the potential to grow into a very good player but if he goes to Freo he is going to be a very expensive utility as he will always be behind Darcy as a ruck

You mention Tim English being a starting ruckman at Jacksons age but you realise English still wouldn't be a starting ruckman behind Max Gawn. Literally every ruckman in the league is a 2nd ruck when playing for Melbourne. NicNat, Darcy, O'Brien, McEvoy, Grundy, anyone. literally every other ruck in the league is 2nd ruck if playing for Melbourne.

 

[Taylor]

Jackson played 1 game this year as a starting ruck, against Brisbane and he was in the top 3 on the ground. 21 disposals, 9 tackles, 6 inside 50’s.

Some of his best form came early in 2021 when we didn’t play 2 key forwards and he was tasked with a lot of playing CHF and did a great job. Late in 21 we had Brown and McDonald and Jackson had his forward minutes greatly slashed. The way Melbourne moved the ball late last year and this year doesn’t suit his game either. He’s very useful as a forward when the ball moves quickly and he can run, he’s not so good when he has to compete with older bodies or find space in traffic.

Here’s the thing, neither of those roles; primary ruck, forward/ruck are his best roles. That’s the other stuff he can do.

His best role is being the only other player in the competition with the height, fitness, lateral movement and acceleration to play the Blicavs role. On baller/ruck.

Geelong almost play with 19 on the field because they can sit their primary ruck wherever they want and use Blicavs to take ruck contests, contested forward of the ball or tag big mids. Which in turn allows them to keep Cameron at CHF and Hawkins inside 50 having a picnic until the ball comes down.

The demons didn’t want to experiment in the middle of a back to back premiership campaign. If Freo invest the minutes in to Jackson the same way Geelong have with Blicavs - playing key back and wing to round out his game - they’ll have an absolute weapon.

By the way, Blicavs debuted at 22, Jackson isn’t even 21 yet!

That was the game where Oscar McInerney beat him in all the ruck contests and he was mostly useless until he started being used for transition ball movement. Seriously, Oscar had a mountain of clearances that game. He was schooled by a bigger stronger body.

 

[Joose]

Jackson is a 20 yo rising star winner that had a bit of the 2nd year blues which is very common in this business.

If he stays fit he will be a star.

 

[Foxman98]

Jackson is a 20 yo rising star winner that had a bit of the 2nd year blues which is very common in this business.

If he stays fit he will be a star.

How do you work that out when he won the RS in his 2nd year?

 

[Joose]

How do you work that out when he won the RS in his 2nd year?

Sorry..but your facts do not trump my feelings.

Now I must be off to tidy my safe-space.

 

[King Huskii]

Jackson played 1 game this year as a starting ruck, against Brisbane and he was in the top 3 on the ground. 21 disposals, 9 tackles, 6 inside 50’s.

Some of his best form came early in 2021 when we didn’t play 2 key forwards and he was tasked with a lot of playing CHF and did a great job. Late in 21 we had Brown and McDonald and Jackson had his forward minutes greatly slashed. The way Melbourne moved the ball late last year and this year doesn’t suit his game either. He’s very useful as a forward when the ball moves quickly and he can run, he’s not so good when he has to compete with older bodies or find space in traffic.

Here’s the thing, neither of those roles; primary ruck, forward/ruck are his best roles. That’s the other stuff he can do.

His best role is being the only other player in the competition with the height, fitness, lateral movement and acceleration to play the Blicavs role. On baller/ruck.

Geelong almost play with 19 on the field because they can sit their primary ruck wherever they want and use Blicavs to take ruck contests, contested forward of the ball or tag big mids. Which in turn allows them to keep Cameron at CHF and Hawkins inside 50 having a picnic until the ball comes down.

The demons didn’t want to experiment in the middle of a back to back premiership campaign. If Freo invest the minutes in to Jackson the same way Geelong have with Blicavs - playing key back and wing to round out his game - they’ll have an absolute weapon.

By the way, Blicavs debuted at 22, Jackson isn’t even 21 yet!

Some really good points

 

[master bate]

That was the game where Oscar McInerney beat him in all the ruck contests and he was mostly useless until he started being used for transition ball movement. Seriously, Oscar had a mountain of clearances that game. He was schooled by a bigger stronger body.

They both played well and utilised their different strengths. 28 year old mature body is stronger than a 20 year old isn’t a surprise. After an early goal Oscar resorted to snatching the ball and hacking it forward, Jackson frequently got it to his mids who dominated and he had a huge influence away from ruck contests. One of them got a coaches vote, the other didn’t.

 

[Kanye West]

Tim English is an overrated and limited plodder. Luke Jackson and his upside is 1000x better than that inanimate carbon rod.

He was the best ruck in the game before his concussion issues!

 

[Trav 20]

He was the best ruck in the game before his concussion issues!

Not a long enough sample size.

Eight games divided into two seprate blocks isn't a strong enough hand to call someone the best ruckman in the league.

That said, he's a great talent.

He's 25 now comining into year 7. He really should be the AA ruck in 2023.

 

[Kanye West]

Not a long enough sample size.

Didn't get past this TBH. If you didn't read the post I replied to, then there's no reason to go any further!

If you did read it, you shouldn't have started with that comment, and I apologise for not reading more!

 

[danster168]

I almost prefered it when Danster was around...

....almost

Be careful what you wish for lol

 

[King Tenz]

So has this campaigner nominated us yet or what? What's the go here?

 

[Trav 20]

Didn't get past this TBH. If you didn't read the post I replied to, then there's no reason to go any further!

If you did read it, you shouldn't have started with that comment, and I apologise for not reading more!

No, I hadn't.

It doesn't change my comment, although I wouldn't have bothered making it.

 

[s_wd6]

So has this campaigner nominated us yet or what? What's the go here?

I don't think he will tbh. I think the trade will just get done to freo without official nomination.

 

[Scythe94]

That was the game where Oscar McInerney beat him in all the ruck contests and he was mostly useless until he started being used for transition ball movement. Seriously, Oscar had a mountain of clearances that game. He was schooled by a bigger stronger body.

Lol.

Not only was Jackson the one that polled AFLCA and Brownlow votes that game (where he was "mostly useless"), this also happened a few weeks later when he came up against that "bigger, stronger body" again.

 

[tonygeeks]

Jackson played 1 game this year as a starting ruck, against Brisbane and he was in the top 3 on the ground. 21 disposals, 9 tackles, 6 inside 50’s.

Some of his best form came early in 2021 when we didn’t play 2 key forwards and he was tasked with a lot of playing CHF and did a great job. Late in 21 we had Brown and McDonald and Jackson had his forward minutes greatly slashed. The way Melbourne moved the ball late last year and this year doesn’t suit his game either. He’s very useful as a forward when the ball moves quickly and he can run, he’s not so good when he has to compete with older bodies or find space in traffic.

Here’s the thing, neither of those roles; primary ruck, forward/ruck are his best roles. That’s the other stuff he can do.

His best role is being the only other player in the competition with the height, fitness, lateral movement and acceleration to play the Blicavs role. On baller/ruck.

Geelong almost play with 19 on the field because they can sit their primary ruck wherever they want and use Blicavs to take ruck contests, contested forward of the ball or tag big mids. Which in turn allows them to keep Cameron at CHF and Hawkins inside 50 having a picnic until the ball comes down.

The demons didn’t want to experiment in the middle of a back to back premiership campaign. If Freo invest the minutes in to Jackson the same way Geelong have with Blicavs - playing key back and wing to round out his game - they’ll have an absolute weapon.

By the way, Blicavs debuted at 22, Jackson isn’t even 21 yet!

That is exactly what Freo will be hoping but it is all hopes and dreams

The list of mobile talls who look set to dominate the comp in their first few years but just level out to GOP level players ( Jeff White , Kruezer , Rhys Stanley , Daniel Bandy Michael Gardiner etc ) or even worse ( Tom Boyd , Kirk Tippett , Jon Patton , Sam Day )

I’d say it’s 40/60 against that Jackson hits the top of his potential range

2 x 1sts and 800k a year is a pretty big punt as it is