Malthouse - umpires hold some blame for Grand Final defeat

[i_need_a_pencil]

Mick Malthouse has come out with this in defence of his GF tactics....

"Five minutes before halftime we were three goals up. One blatant error where a backline player (Tarrant) didn't take the ball over, and a boundary umpire got it wrong when Jolly punched the ball out. It hit the line, that's not out, and they are within one goal.

"We were eight points down at three-quarter time, not 10 goals down, for those who want to say the game style fell apart."

"We kept their backline (man on man) and that's their vulnerability," Malthouse said. "Sydney proved it five weeks before. Our midfield - I can't help it if Dane Swan got one kick in the last quarter. Dane Swan is a Brownlow medallist.

"Maybe I am patting myself on the back. The game structure was good. If it was no good, I am sorry, we did our best."

from the Herald Sun (you need a subscription for this one though)


This quote would be fine with me.... except for the Wellingham goal.

If your going to acknowledge umpiring error's which directly effected the score at 3/4 time, you can't single out the Geelong one. In my book, they go hand in hand. You got one with Wellingham and we got one back with Bartel (which would have ended up a throw-in in our forward 50 anyway).

I don't mean to start a discussion about the free kicks specifically, but rather how Malthouse has explained the loss which IMO is somewhat discrediting to Geelong. Player errors are fine (but probably unfair) to discuss, but not the umpiring when it was quite clearly two-sided.

His explanation does not sit right with me. How do you feel about it?

 

[Turbocat]

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I'm not sure its worthy of a response. Even if I concede that decision may be debatable, what about the free kick against (Enright?) when he kicked it , what about the headhigh against Ottens to for Johnson ducking the head ..dead in front? , what about the poster... When you get don by 36 he really is debasing himself by making the comment

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

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The guy is a w***er. Never liked him. He just doesn't want to admit they were beaten by a better team. His ego is enormous. It doesn't really matter what he says because history will always say Geelong won the Grand Final in 2011, and really thats all that matters. Nothing he or anyone says can change it.

 

[thejester]

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Think you're missing the wood for the trees here mate. His argument is that the game was tight enough that individual decisions like that mattered; it's not like we had blown them out of the water by that stage. I think there's some pretty strong and obvious rebuttals against his argument (their shift to man on man defence, our 3-0 record over them, our last quarter) but I don't think he's saying that umpires lost them the game.

 

[you pick one]

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I'm not sure its worthy of a response. Even if I concede that decision may be debatable, what about the free kick against (Enright?) when he kicked it , what about the headhigh against Ottens to for Johnson ducking the head ..dead in front? , what about the poster... When you get don by 36 he really is debasing himself by making the comment

That's it end of discussion.

 

[i_need_a_pencil]

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Think you're missing the wood for the trees here mate. His argument is that the game was tight enough that individual decisions like that mattered; it's not like we had blown them out of the water by that stage. I think there's some pretty strong and obvious rebuttals against his argument (their shift to man on man defence, our 3-0 record over them, our last quarter) but I don't think he's saying that umpires lost them the game.

Was trying not to sound like that... he's not saying that.

I just think its ridiculous and completely biased to single out that one error as a contributor to the 3/4 time score, especially when it was so obviously countered by the Wellingham 'goal'.

 

[AM]

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You’re right TJ. Mick's attempt to justify the GF loss in the piece offers more than an umpiring decision.

As you also suggest it’s a very selective analysis by Mick. It hasn’t been his best week media wise you'd have to say.

 

[Connoisseur]

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Flog of the highest order.

Can never bring himself to actually admit his coaching decisions (i.e. leaving Reid on the Tomahawk) may have contributed. Nah it was all down to the umpires, players, etc... he had nothing to do with it.

Absolute tosser of a bloke.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

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How petty highlighting that incident. Unsurprisingly no mention of the Wellingham goal which hit the post? Funny that.

 

[romeoh]

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Beyond me how he can have picked that in any case-what footage has he seen to say the ball was on the line? You can't tell from the coverage as players are in the way aren't they?
I suspect Malthouse was a good coach and probs a decent person but he really needs to stop talking now. All very undignified.

 

[allrighty]

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Who was the best team in 2008? Geelong. Who's name is on the 2008 Cup? Hawthorn. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. All that matters is who won the big one. MM has always had to say something about everything under the sun, and that has always annoyed me. Two things come out of this latest verbiage for me. One is that we should just sit back and watch these two egos rip into each other and enjoy the show. The other is that Mighty Mick may not have too many media gigs after this year - he has been woeful and his fellow commentators do not gel with him, nor do they seem to like him that much.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

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I dont think he is blaming the umpires-i just think he is defending his tactics-and in that 2nd qtr especially when Pods went down -i thought we were on the ropes -thats what makes that premiership so unbelievably good .

I think Malthouse has taken the loss pretty badly -he has savaged Dane Swan -and i heard him give Ling a great rap for the job he did on Swan

Malthouse reaction and attitude after the gf loss is not dissimilar to Blights after our 92 gf loss when in a winning position at half time -apparently didnt talk to the players for about 6 weeks after the game -and was pretty stinging in his criticism of certain big players -i can remember him being pretty sarcastic (and for good reason ) re Bairstow having a shot for goal from 35 metres out in last qtr and couldnt even make the distance

 

[patience]

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MM has relevance depravation syndrome. It's the loss of the coaching gig that is eating him. I know, captain obvious is in the house.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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What an absolute tosser basing tactics on a relatively meaningless H&A loss to the Swans. Now he's burning relationships because of an out of control ego as well.
Ok Mick , lolol

 

[Beth]

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All these sides that cant score goals in the last term always seem to blame umpires and injuries..hmmmm

 

[Russcats]

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Since our defeats to the W.A. state team on steroids who went by the alias of West Coast eagles in 1992 and 1994, I enjoyed every time MM went to the trough and came home empty handed. The sheer joy of watching him lose in 2002 and 2003 and last year was soured a little by StKilda failing to take the prize away in 2010. Anyone else would have been given his marching orders a couple of years earlier but Maguire's love of MM saved him and allowed him 2 more years in which time he jagged a flag and left on bad terms because MM felt he was the man for the job and not Bucks.

This latest episode just continies my enjoyment of watching this flog turn on everyone who he has ever worked with. He is not welcome back at West Coke and the same will be said at Collingwood in time. Good on ya MM. Burn every bridge you can and end up a lonely old man.

 

[fpm84]

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Absolute cop out by Malthouse.

Collingwood by far got the better run with the umpires on GF day. This is pretty much universally agreed upon by commentators and neutral supporters alike.

Yes, the Jolly OOB just before half time may have been an umpiring error (the replay is inconclusive as to whether the ball is on or over the line), but let's look at the other side:

- Holding the ball paid against Enright when he clearly kicked the ball. Result - point to L Brown.
- High tackle against Ottens when Ben Johnson threw his head back and no high contact was made. Result - goal to Johnson.
- Goal paid to Wellingham when ball hit the post DESPITE umpire initially motioning to signal a behind.

As for Swan, he has a poor record in the three grand finals he has played and had one of the best taggers of all time right behind him. To imply that Swan's bad game was partially responsible for the Pies losing is completely disrespectful to a Geelong side that has achieved a hell of a lot more - collectively and individually - than Collingwood over the past five years.

 

[winty]

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It's funny how Malthouse thinks the umpires hold some blame for their GF defeat, yet commentators like Jason Dunstall were saying halfway through the third quarter that the umpires have been on Collingwood's side up until then.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. IMO, the scoreboard on the day flattered the Pies, and half of that was due to the umpiring. In addition to the Wellingham, Johnson and Brown incidents, which gifted the Pies 2 goals, Bundy was also taken high 25m out straight in front, but that was let go.

 

[year of the cat]

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It's funny how Malthouse thinks the umpires hold some blame for their GF defeat, yet commentators like Jason Dunstall were saying halfway through the third quarter that the umpires have been on Collingwood's side up until then.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. IMO, the scoreboard on the day flattered the Pies, and half of that was due to the umpiring. In addition to the Wellingham, Johnson and Brown incidents, which gifted the Pies 2 goals, Bundy was also taken high 25m out straight in front, but that was let go.

We also gifted them the Luke Ball goal after a soft 50m penalty

 

[Cursed Cat]

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The guy is a w***er. Never liked him. He just doesn't want to admit they were beaten by a better team. His ego is enormous. It doesn't really matter what he says because history will always say Geelong won the Grand Final in 2011, and really thats all that matters. Nothing he or anyone says can change it.

All of this is correct.

 

[Jemaine]

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I'm not sure its worthy of a response. Even if I concede that decision may be debatable, what about the free kick against (Enright?) when he kicked it , what about the headhigh against Ottens to for Johnson ducking the head ..dead in front? , what about the poster... When you get don by 36 he really is debasing himself by making the comment

Don't give the scum a point, let alone two!

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

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I'm sick of him already and it's only 3 rounds in to the season. His reverence as this alleged 'master coach' of two of the richest and most well supported clubs in the league is a joke considering he only won 3 premierships over 20 years. He's now using his god like status to take shots and anyone and everyone for his own amusement and ego. We won by a fair margain, this alleged master of the game was outcoached by a FIRST YEAR COACH IN A GRAND FINAL and that will be his epitah on his final game of his coaching career.

I don't normally agree with Eddie but I agreed with him when yesterday he said basically said that Mick should shut up and protect his legacy.

 

[iameviljez]

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I dont think he is blaming the umpires-i just think he is defending his tactics-and in that 2nd qtr especially when Pods went down -i thought we were on the ropes -thats what makes that premiership so unbelievably good .

I agree with you. He's copped a bit of a caning from within Collingwood, I can't blame him for wanting to defend himself.

 

[romeoh]

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It's funny how Malthouse thinks the umpires hold some blame for their GF defeat, yet commentators like Jason Dunstall were saying halfway through the third quarter that the umpires have been on Collingwood's side up until then.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. IMO, the scoreboard on the day flattered the Pies, and half of that was due to the umpiring. In addition to the Wellingham, Johnson and Brown incidents, which gifted the Pies 2 goals, Bundy was also taken high 25m out straight in front, but that was let go.

Indeed -if Stokes and Hawkins could have kicked straight - 10 goal thumping.

 

[STC]

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Can't really blame him. I doubt he honestly believes that they were robbed by the umps, but he's trying to justify his performance particularly in light of Buckley's recent failures, attempting to highlight that he was robbed of the job. He probably was. The succession plan backfired and there's no doubt about that.

But the fact of the matter is we beat them three times last year, outplaying them in all. They were lucky to even make the Grand Final, they were unconvincing in all of their finals whereas we beat every top 4 team by more than 30 points when it counted the most. It was as comprehensively deserved a premiership as there ever was.