Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[WaynesWorld19]

Not sure what games you've been watching but we've been playing, admittedly very inconsistently since we are still very young, fast ball movement transition football with pressure on opposition ball carrier from last year which is why King and even Cornes has been bullish on our development. We've been killed from stoppage goals in the first few games after our young playing group drop their effort after kicking point after point which didn't happened against Port Power.

It seems everyone, even the Crows harshest critics in Cornes & King, can see the development path & "staged" gamestyle development, impacted by the clubs age profile ......everyone except George Kramer ....but front bar barracking does diminish objectivity

Now George, BF etiquette is ...if you're going to talk about a poster, you tag the poster

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Could be their chosen pronoun...


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Who knows these days

 

[ABAB]

It seems everyone, even the Crows harshest critics in Cornes & King, can see the development path & "staged" gamestyle development, impacted by the clubs age profile ......everyone except George Kramer ....but front bar barracking does diminish objectivity

Now George, BF etiquette is ...if you're going to talk about a poster, you tag the poster

Clearly he still hasn't been watching us closely even after we've discussed this previously as recently as a year ago lol.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

Not particularly - Craig would have been floating the Jack Oatey tough love

Jack once sent the runner out to Davies who was killing it racking up stat after stat after stat and wanted to know ( through the runner) wtf was he doing and if he didnt get back to the plan he would be dropped - Davies replied ' tell that old so and so I'm winning the game'

I just think there is a lot of vaderising when justifying a position '' well if we didnt throw him back how do you know it didnt work'' etc its an easy copout for lazy coaching and lazy analysis

Who knows why a player switches on - but its surely not 2pm on a Wednesday in front of the coaches.

And speaking of lazy analysis - your question regarding psychological staff - we used Collective Minds for 2 years

I recall something a little different - the runner was Daffy Duck I think...and Davies told him he was in defence 'to get a kick' basically...and Oatey said 'of course he is'...anyhow...the point still holds...a captain should have the ability to change things up on the ground if he sees a problem. Dawson did this before the game to an extent, given our previous two weeks of getting smashed in the midfield.

 

[George Kramer]

Our ? ......Our point ? ......it's confirmed, George has a multiple personality disorder

I always held suspicians

So I’m the only one that shares my views? Not your finest work Wayne and you’ve had a bad week

 

[Geoffa32]

Who knows these days

Or those days.......

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[George Kramer]

Not sure what games you've been watching but we've been playing, admittedly very inconsistently since we are still very young, fast ball movement transition football with pressure on opposition ball carrier from last year which is why King and even Cornes has been bullish on our development. We've been killed from stoppage goals in the first few games after our young playing group drop their effort after kicking point after point which didn't happened against Port Power.

Breath

 

[George Kramer]

It seems everyone, even the Crows harshest critics in Cornes & King, can see the development path & "staged" gamestyle development, impacted by the clubs age profile ......everyone except George Kramer ....but front bar barracking does diminish objectivity

Now George, BF etiquette is ...if you're going to talk about a poster, you tag the poster

You’re quoting ABAB, not something to hang your hat on.

And Wayne, when I said my old mate Wayne, do you think I was hiding it?

But skip all that, what about the content of the post, what defence has Nicks taught the team by pushing the forwards up?

 

[AFC979810]

It seems everyone, even the Crows harshest critics in Cornes & King, can see the development path & "staged" gamestyle development, impacted by the clubs age profile ......everyone except George Kramer ....but front bar barracking does diminish objectivity

Now George, BF etiquette is ...if you're going to talk about a poster, you tag the poster

Genuine question. Where is the real change between 2022 and 2023 so far?

Rd 1 - 2022 Loss - Dominated in first half (-25) - Dominated in 2nd half (+24).
Rd 1 - 2023 Loss - Dominant first half (+28) - Killed in 2nd half (-44)

Rd 2 - 2022 - Loss - Dominated in first half (-23) - Beaten in 2nd half (-19).
Rd 2 - 2023 - Loss - Destroyed in first half (-45) - Better 2nd half (+13)

Rd 3 - 2022 Win - Beaten in first half (-16) - Dominated 2nd half (+20)
Rd 3 - 2023 Win - Even first half (+0) - Won 2nd half by 31 (10 minute slaughter).

Now to be honest - its not like we are going backwards, but its not like we are playing better footy than 2022. We were a dropped chest mark away from possibly being 0-3 this year. There have clearly some things that I have been ecstatic about that Nicks has done this year (and the past). He has varied up the midfield mix considerably, he has played our youngsters early and often. He has shown a willingness to try new things and listen to those around him.

But what hasn't changed as he is in his 4th year are the mind baffling selection issues and structural issues. Tyler Brown as the sub in round 1 and using him as a tagger when the game was in the balance was terrible. How we lost that game up 31 points at half time, going into the 4th quarter with a lead kicking to the goal scoring end with the Giants down 3 very very good players (Perryman, Whitfield and Kelly) in very hot conditions still boggles the mind. He then followed up that shit show by selecting one key defender over 192cm against Richmond and to nobody's surprise but blind Freddy - Richmonds 3 talls kicked 8 goals between them and our stupid stupid stupid substitute decision didn't help again. These are mistakes a 4th year coach with over 60 games of coaching experience shouldn't be making.

Which leads us to round 4. At home against a Freo side who will be just as young as us and coming off 1 less day of Rest. I am glad we kept Butts in as Freo have gone tall in their forward line. We are missing 3 of our scoring forwards this week (FOG/McAdam/Pedlar) and also will be without two players we have used in the middle a lot this year (Berry/Schoenberg) - so what does Nicks do with Rachele? Who do we use as the SUB? What do we do with Dawson this week?

Lots of questions to be answered in 36 hours.

 

[1970crow]

Too true

Remember when Gerard Neesham was ridiculed, by the footy community & ultimately sacked ....for playing chip footy, zig-zagging the ground ....using thick & thin sides of the ground

"It doesn't work" they said ....you have to go direct ASAP to the forward line, they said ......then proceeded to play Neeshams style of footy, and still do, for 15+ years

Explain "using thick & thin sides of the ground'. You really don't have much of an idea, do you?

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how is that gun CEO Trigg going?

 

[1970crow]

I'm comfortable with my leaning yes vote after another year. Seems to be the right guy to transition out of the tanking phase of a rebuild.

tanking? We have not once prioritised development over the next set of 4 points during Nix tenure. Not once. VB even stated it as plain fact, 'the best way to develop the future is to win now'. We've never tanked, not for a single second, we've just been very poor.

 

[1970crow]

Our ? ......Our point ? ......it's confirmed, George has a multiple personality disorder

I always held suspicians

is the above an example of posting "authenticity'? Have you managed to locate any examples yet?

 

[1970crow]

It seems everyone, even the Crows harshest critics in Cornes & King, can see the development path & "staged" gamestyle development, impacted by the clubs age profile ......everyone except George Kramer ....but front bar barracking does diminish objectivity

Now George, BF etiquette is ...if you're going to talk about a poster, you tag the poster

'authentic' post WW, you're on fire.

 

[John Who]

Genuine question. Where is the real change between 2022 and 2023 so far?

Rd 1 - 2022 Loss - Dominated in first half (-25) - Dominated in 2nd half (+24).
Rd 1 - 2023 Loss - Dominant first half (+28) - Killed in 2nd half (-44)

Rd 2 - 2022 - Loss - Dominated in first half (-23) - Beaten in 2nd half (-19).
Rd 2 - 2023 - Loss - Destroyed in first half (-45) - Better 2nd half (+13)

Rd 3 - 2022 Win - Beaten in first half (-16) - Dominated 2nd half (+20)
Rd 3 - 2023 Win - Even first half (+0) - Won 2nd half by 31 (10 minute slaughter).

Now to be honest - its not like we are going backwards, but its not like we are playing better footy than 2022. We were a dropped chest mark away from possibly being 0-3 this year. There have clearly some things that I have been ecstatic about that Nicks has done this year (and the past). He has varied up the midfield mix considerably, he has played our youngsters early and often. He has shown a willingness to try new things and listen to those around him.

But what hasn't changed as he is in his 4th year are the mind baffling selection issues and structural issues. Tyler Brown as the sub in round 1 and using him as a tagger when the game was in the balance was terrible. How we lost that game up 31 points at half time, going into the 4th quarter with a lead kicking to the goal scoring end with the Giants down 3 very very good players (Perryman, Whitfield and Kelly) in very hot conditions still boggles the mind. He then followed up that s**t show by selecting one key defender over 192cm against Richmond and to nobody's surprise but blind Freddy - Richmonds 3 talls kicked 8 goals between them and our stupid stupid stupid substitute decision didn't help again. These are mistakes a 4th year coach with over 60 games of coaching experience shouldn't be making.

Which leads us to round 4. At home against a Freo side who will be just as young as us and coming off 1 less day of Rest. I am glad we kept Butts in as Freo have gone tall in their forward line. We are missing 3 of our scoring forwards this week (FOG/McAdam/Pedlar) and also will be without two players we have used in the middle a lot this year (Berry/Schoenberg) - so what does Nicks do with Rachele? Who do we use as the SUB? What do we do with Dawson this week?

Lots of questions to be answered in 36 hours.

The highlighted bold text shows your negative bias. We could have been 0-3. And yet, we could also have been 3-0, as in genuinely we were in strong winning positions had we kicked accurately.

If we’re not putting ourselves in a position to win, then that’s on the coaches. If we’re in a position to win, and not kicking the goals, then that’s on the players. The win against Port was pretty significant considering their solitary win was against the Lions, who happened to beat the Pies last night. Ironically, the Pies lost with more scoring shots and poor goal conversion (us in the first 2 rounds).

 

[AFC979810]

The highlighted bold text shows your negative bias. We could have been 0-3. And yet, we could also have been 3-0, as in genuinely we were in strong winning positions had we kicked accurately.

Same as last year. We could have been 2-1.

If we’re not putting ourselves in a position to win, then that’s on the coaches. If we’re in a position to win, and not kicking the goals, then that’s on the players. The win against Port was pretty significant considering their solitary win was against the Lions, who happened to beat the Pies last night. Ironically, the Pies lost with more scoring shots and poor goal conversion (us in the first 2 rounds).

No comment on Richmonds talls kicking 8 between them? That didn't factor in the round 2 loss?
How did we get over run in the last quarter with the game in the balance against a massively depleted GWS in the heat?

So coaching can't be blamed because we had more scoring shots than GWS and Richmond?

 

[John Who]

Same as last year. We could have been 2-1.



No comment on Richmonds talls kicking 8 between them? That didn't factor in the round 2 loss?
How did we get over run in the last quarter with the game in the balance against a massively depleted GWS in the heat?

So coaching can't be blamed because we had more scoring shots than GWS and Richmond?

I’m just trying to point out the negative bias with the “we could have been 0-3. Therefore Nicks is shit”. You could have easily stated your case without the 0-3 possibility.

Did you watch the Pies vs Lions game last night? The Pies were the exact replica of us (in the first 2 rounds) with the poor goal conversion. Unsurprisingly, they lost!

 

[AFC979810]

I’m just trying to point out the negative bias with the “we could have been 0-3. Therefore Nicks is s**t”. You could have easily stated your case without the 0-3 possibility.

Out of my entire post - thats your take. It isn't that we could have been 0-3 and therefore Nicks is shit. Read my stance throughout the thread - I have listed many of Nicks positive qualities.

What I have also done (apparently with Bias) is point out his flaws. Once more - care to discuss this?

"But what hasn't changed as he is in his 4th year are the mind baffling selection issues and structural issues. Tyler Brown as the sub in round 1 and using him as a tagger when the game was in the balance was terrible. How we lost that game up 31 points at half time, going into the 4th quarter with a lead kicking to the goal scoring end with the Giants down 3 very very good players (Perryman, Whitfield and Kelly) in very hot conditions still boggles the mind. He then followed up that s**t show by selecting one key defender over 192cm against Richmond and to nobody's surprise but blind Freddy - Richmonds 3 talls kicked 8 goals between them and our stupid stupid stupid substitute decision didn't help again. These are mistakes a 4th year coach with over 60 games of coaching experience shouldn't be making."

Did you watch the Pies vs Lions game last night? The Pies were the exact replica of us (in the first 2 rounds) with the poor goal conversion. Unsurprisingly, they lost!

I did watch it. It was a hell of a lot closer to our final against Essendon in 2009 than it was to our first 2 games.

 

[George Kramer]

I’m just trying to point out the negative bias with the “we could have been 0-3. Therefore Nicks is s**t”. You could have easily stated your case without the 0-3 possibility.

Did you watch the Pies vs Lions game last night? The Pies were the exact replica of us (in the first 2 rounds) with the poor goal conversion. Unsurprisingly, they lost!

Do you have a positive bias?

 

[George Kramer]

Out of my entire post - thats your take. It isn't that we could have been 0-3 and therefore Nicks is s**t. Read my stance throughout the thread - I have listed many of Nicks positive qualities.

What I have also done (apparently with Bias) is point out his flaws. Once more - care to discuss this?

"But what hasn't changed as he is in his 4th year are the mind baffling selection issues and structural issues. Tyler Brown as the sub in round 1 and using him as a tagger when the game was in the balance was terrible. How we lost that game up 31 points at half time, going into the 4th quarter with a lead kicking to the goal scoring end with the Giants down 3 very very good players (Perryman, Whitfield and Kelly) in very hot conditions still boggles the mind. He then followed up that s**t show by selecting one key defender over 192cm against Richmond and to nobody's surprise but blind Freddy - Richmonds 3 talls kicked 8 goals between them and our stupid stupid stupid substitute decision didn't help again. These are mistakes a 4th year coach with over 60 games of coaching experience shouldn't be making."



I did watch it. It was a hell of a lot closer to our final against Essendon in 2009 than it was to our first 2 games.

That’s the thing with these cheerleaders, they claim negative bias but ignore the positive comments. You are providing a far more balanced opinion than someone whose contributions are “Crows are good, stop picking on them”

 

[John Who]

Out of my entire post - thats your take. It isn't that we could have been 0-3 and therefore Nicks is s**t. Read my stance throughout the thread - I have listed many of Nicks positive qualities.

What I have also done (apparently with Bias) is point out his flaws. Once more - care to discuss this?

"But what hasn't changed as he is in his 4th year are the mind baffling selection issues and structural issues. Tyler Brown as the sub in round 1 and using him as a tagger when the game was in the balance was terrible. How we lost that game up 31 points at half time, going into the 4th quarter with a lead kicking to the goal scoring end with the Giants down 3 very very good players (Perryman, Whitfield and Kelly) in very hot conditions still boggles the mind. He then followed up that s**t show by selecting one key defender over 192cm against Richmond and to nobody's surprise but blind Freddy - Richmonds 3 talls kicked 8 goals between them and our stupid stupid stupid substitute decision didn't help again. These are mistakes a 4th year coach with over 60 games of coaching experience shouldn't be making."



I did watch it. It was a hell of a lot closer to our final against Essendon in 2009 than it was to our first 2 games.

Not comparing last night’s game to our previous ones in terms of the quality, but in terms of the goal kicking conversion and the bad outcome (a loss). Of course Nicks could have done things better, nobody’s perfect on any given day. When there is poor goal conversion, team morale tends to drop and this could affect the psyche of players nearing the finish line in the last quarters.

I’m not necessarily arguing about your points, but picking on Nicks for the obvious poor goal conversion is an unfair analysis, that’s all. Had we kicked a few extra goals from the plethora of behinds, then the Tyler and Butts decision may well have been justifiable. All what ifs, really.

 

[John Who]

Do you have a positive bias?

Yes, I like to be positive in life. It’s good for my soul. You should try it some day.

 

[LoBu]

That’s the thing with these cheerleaders, they claim negative bias but ignore the positive comments. You are providing a far more balanced opinion than someone whose contributions are “Crows are good, stop picking on them”

Calling posters who disagree with you "cheerleaders" may be fun for you but devalues everything else you say, as if we can't tell it's ad hominem.

This type of argument style is fallious and considered the bottom end of disagreement. This may work in the school yard but just makes you look childish here.

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[George Kramer]

Calling posters who disagree with you "cheerleaders" may be fun for you but devalues everything else you say, as if we can't tell it's ad hominem.

This type of argument style is fallious and considered the bottom end of disagreement. This may work in the school yard but just makes you look childish here.

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There are plenty of posters on here I disagree with that I don’t refer to cheerleaders. It’s purely for posters who only have one thing to say, whatever the club would like them to say.

As for childish, what would you call grown men who can’t voice an opinion?

As for your opinion of me and my posting, you know that doesn’t mean much to me right?

 

[John Who]

There are plenty of posters on here I disagree with that I don’t refer to cheerleaders. It’s purely for posters who only have one thing to say, whatever the club would like them to say.

As for childish, what would you call grown men who can’t voice an opinion?

As for your opinion of me and my posting, you know that doesn’t mean much to me right?

So I’ve been one to repeatedly say the players kicking have been absolutely deplorable/shit in the first 2 rounds. And you think that’s me being a “cheerleader”? LOL

 

[George Kramer]

So I’ve been one to repeatedly say the players kicking have been absolutely deplorable/s**t in the first 2 rounds. And you think that’s me being a “cheerleader”? LOL

You’re just stating a fact, that’s not an opinion and the only reason you are saying it is to try and show that we’ve improved. LOL