Matthew Pavlich, Nick Riewoldt or Jonathan Brown

[twentydollarnote]

On the back of an easy draw and playing a number of sides towards the end of the season that had nothing to play for. One win less and they would've been 6th, with a terrible percentage.

How'd they go the next year?

And no, not capish.

Neither of those 3 players you listed are anything better than good players. Headland was made to look good by Voss/Black/Lappin, Haselby was lazy and not that great, and McPharlin is good, but not great.

Again, if they are 3 of the best 4 players in the side, and you can't name anymore, than you've proven my point.

Well if they finished top4 clearly they had the talent to finish there whatever excuses you make (and wasnt just talk like you said). Also i never said they were a good developer of talent but those players mentioned were talented but not that consistent, i'm sure there are others but i never particularly cared about freo enough to notice, sandilands and schammer come to mind. Definitely capish now i think.

 

[King Elvis]

Well if they finished top4 clearly they had the talent to finish there whatever excuses you make (and wasnt just talk like you said). Also i never said they were a good developer of talent but those players mentioned were talented but not that consistent, i'm sure there are others but i never particularly cared about freo enough to notice, sandilands and schammer come to mind. Definitely capish now i think.

Where did they finish the year before, and the year after, with their super talented list, including the 3 slightly above average players you brought up?

As I said, they were 1 win away from being 6th, had a terrible percentage, and got in that position due to player a number of teams (Swans/Eagles and others) who had their position on the ladder stitched up and were resting players, loading for the finals and so on.

You say in this very post that you never cared enough about Freo to notice so basically, you're taking their ladder position, not bothering to look at the circumstances around it, and using that as a basis for them being a good side.

Essendon made the top 8 last year with more losses than wins, does that make them a genuine top 8 side?

 

[Ricmel]

probably not the greatest example but the derby round 6 last season. something like 5 goals down at half time with no chance..come back to win the game..haselby has tears after the game saying they won the game for pav on his 200th..good enough for you??

Actually I think it proves my point. They can get up and play good football when they are fired up. They just don't seem to get fired up often enough. And that goes to their coach and player leadership group.

 

[twentydollarnote]

yep i'd say if they made the top 8 then they are a top8 side or thereabouts, regardless of any perception before the season, capish? But seriously as we are just going in circles i think we should just agree to disagree.

 

[estibador]

Also i never said they were a good developer of talent but those players mentioned were talented but not that consistent, i'm sure there are others but i never particularly cared about freo enough to notice,

Lol... I love it how often people who act like they are experts on Freo come out and say stuff like that.

 

[twentydollarnote]

dont worry its not just you west coast are fairly irrelevant as well, that whole state pretty much no one cares about.

 

[Offsider]

Personally I would choose Brown, only just over Pav and Roo, infact I would be happy with any of them. To me Brown since 2006 has been the better, he is a better all round package as a CHF. although Pav can play more positions, he kicks more goals and can take a game by the scruff of the neck, but his leadership and Aura, make him standout more.

Another thing to take into account is that, since 2006 Brisbane have only made the finals this year, and our kicking to him on the lead has been attrocious, cue Scott Harding! We miss him in the clear way to many times, and we have failed to capatalise on his dominant years thus far as we have been an average team, apart from now, guess whos back. Pav is in the same boat except he is more of the one man show in even worse Freo team, yet for mine Roo has played in a very good team for the last 5 years and has recieved better support.

So Brown over Pav over Roo, but the margin is so small it is barely there.

 

[masai]

that whole state pretty much no one cares about.

Canberra cares .............

Money money money for the tax coffers.

 

[loki04]

Brown.

 

[tribey]

wow six pages before you (or any other port supporter) managed to mention tredrea, you're getting slow old man!

Just getting in before you, m80

You said they never were a top 4 team but they finished 3rd in 06 according to wiki. You also said they didnt have the talent McPharlin, Headland & Haselby are examples of very talented players just freo didnt get the best out of them + a bit of injury didnt help. Capish?

Well if they finished top4 clearly they had the talent to finish there whatever excuses you make (and wasnt just talk like you said). Also i never said they were a good developer of talent but those players mentioned were talented but not that consistent, i'm sure there are others but i never particularly cared about freo enough to notice, sandilands and schammer come to mind. Definitely capish now i think.

yep i'd say if they made the top 8 then they are a top8 side or thereabouts, regardless of any perception before the season, capish? But seriously as we are just going in circles i think we should just agree to disagree.

It's actually "capisc'/capisci", capisc?

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Mate you picked the wrong example. Riewoldt is a Gold Coast boy. Regardless of playing ability, he was clearly the early target of Gold Coast and the player they originally wanted to build their team around. Money was not the problem.

There is absolutely no contest there.

So it would be easier for them to coax him back up there. Which means they'd probably be able to pay less. Money wouldn't be an issue whoever the player - but your logic seems quite flawed.

 

[g_TRAIN]

What really annoys me is the fact brown is always talked about as a great player in finals.

I can't remember how he did this year but previous to then he had never kicked more than 3 goals in a final at the MCG.

 

[sabre_ac]

Right now its Riewoldt without a doubt...At his peak Browne was incredible

Over a career it has to be Pavlich.

Considering what we know now...If all three were 17 yo kids up for draft it would be a tough call.

I may be biased but while the other two have had down or quieter years, Pavlich seems to step up and perform every year..He is the kind of player a team can win a flag with..bottom out..rebuild and have another crack with with. Unfortunate that we missed the mark the first generation and he is relying on the second generation to get him there.

 

[Omen]

Who would you pick. the 3 prime center half forwards of the league

- One chokes in front of goals and has 0 Premierships
- One cries everytime he gets a little bump and has 0 Premierships
- One dominates every game he plays and has 3 Premierships

I think we have a winner....

 

[ballanFYNE]

- One chokes in front of goals and has 0 Premierships
- One cries everytime he gets a little bump and has 0 Premierships
- One dominates every game he plays and has 3 Premierships

I think we have a winner....

One has 5 best and fairests and 6 AA the first one at age 20 and again at 21.

one has 5 best and fairests 4 AA and3 minor prems and captained the AAs once

one has 2 AAs and 1 coleman.


(see, you can make any of them look worse than they are. Your just desperate for one.)

 

[Ricmel]

So it would be easier for them to coax him back up there. Which means they'd probably be able to pay less.

Yeah that makes sense. Just like Carlton got Judd back at $200,000 a year. He wanted to come home so he accepted a haircut.

StKilda signed Riewoldt to a huge 3 year contract. My understanding is it was not quite the numbers that GC were talking but he was commited to StKilda and wanted to be a 1 club man. I don't believe GC ever talked to Pavlich (I could be wrong).

 

[Omen]

One has 5 best and fairests and 6 AA the first one at age 20 and again at 21.

one has 5 best and fairests 4 AA and3 minor prems and captained the AAs once

one has 2 AAs and 1 coleman.


(see, you can make any of them look worse than they are. Your just desperate for one.)

Meh, that just proves that Pavlich and Riewoldt are more selfish players then Brown, who only care about personal accolades; That doesn't make them great, more like the opposite.

Brown plays for team accolades.... that makes him better

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Yeah that makes sense. Just like Carlton got Judd back at $200,000 a year. He wanted to come home so he accepted a haircut.

StKilda signed Riewoldt to a huge 3 year contract. My understanding is it was not quite the numbers that GC were talking but he was commited to StKilda and wanted to be a 1 club man. I don't believe GC ever talked to Pavlich (I could be wrong).

I have zero information - however GC would be absolutely negligent not to even touch base with the managers of all the stars of our game.

I dare say a pleasant phonecall would have taken place, and perhaps a polite no thanks back.

 

[The_Eagles]

one has 2 AAs and 1 coleman.

and 3 premiership medals and 3 best and fairests....

 

[MCG-Unit]

Would gladly add Pavlich to the Saints

 

[loki04]

One has 5 best and fairests and 6 AA the first one at age 20 and again at 21.

one has 5 best and fairests 4 AA and3 minor prems and captained the AAs once

one has 2 AAs and 1 coleman.


(see, you can make any of them look worse than they are. Your just desperate for one.)

Brown has something the other 2 lack, intimidation factor, it wins games.

 

[AG]

Brown has something the other 2 lack, intimidation factor, it wins games.

I'd say pure ability win games. Guys like Hird had no intimidation factor but he was one of the best match winners of all time. Intimidation is bluff most of the time.

 

[ballanFYNE]

Meh, that just proves that Pavlich and Riewoldt are more selfish players then Brown, who only care about personal accolades; That doesn't make them great, more like the opposite.

Brown plays for team accolades.... that makes him better

Do you know what your talking about. You are calling Pav a selfish player. Are you 10?. and if you want definition of selfish is Demons tanking.

 

[ballanFYNE]

Brown has something the other 2 lack, intimidation factor, it wins games.

Exactly what aussie gun said. It is a bluff. How many times do you hear Brown hurt someone badly. Very little. and BTW Pav has something the other 2 lack as well. a reliable kick under pressure. and before every one starts talking about how pav chokes and every one starts mocking me may i say Pav had the yips for 1 year.

 

[AG]

I'd actually want Brown kicking for my life out of the three. That is a strength of his.