News Media Thread, 2023: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

[Luuuc]

Probably cause we're paying him 800k or so

Yeah, there are valid reasons for doing so. It's just that none of them relate to him being in our best 22 players atm. So I understand the frustration and feel it intensely myself every time he does something utterly pointless on the field. Which is too frigging often.

 

[Godfather32]

Yeah, there are valid reasons for doing so. It's just that none of them relate to him being in our best 22 players atm. So I understand the frustration and feel it intensely myself every time he does something utterly pointless on the field. Which is too frigging often.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending it at all, I can't wait for him to get dropped.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

“It’s interesting, you do need your captain out there playing, ideally,” Shuey said on Wednesday.

“If this was this time next year and I had another season where I hadn’t played too much footy, it (handing over the captaincy) would definitely be something I’d consider.” Luke Shuey

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[Keys]

“It’s interesting, you do need your captain out there playing, ideally,” Shuey said on Wednesday.

“If this was this time next year and I had another season where I hadn’t played too much footy, it (handing over the captaincy) would definitely be something I’d consider.” Luke Shuey - Jan 2022

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He played 17 games in 2022 and played every game from R10 onwards

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Did anyone else see the CH.7 half-time interview with Boots, where they were talking about the Captaincy being rotated though a couple of different players?
I thought it telling that Shuey said "something, something, something...new Captain very soon...something..."

Can't be sure exactly what was said as it was over in a flash. Any chance someone has a clip?

Would assume he means next year after he retires at the end of season.
Regardless Shuey would know if the end is nigh for his career despite his optimism.

 

[Astro7]

I see they have released '5 Things We Learnt Against The Bombers', yet failed
to release '5 Things' after the Hawks (first time?)...mustn't have learn't anything?

 

[Tugga27]

Good to see Barrett doesn't have any favourites and really sticks the boots into Richmond here

So the facts are, Richmond have one more crack at a flag.
Recruit 2 highly paid mids.

After round 11, are sitting 15th with 3 wins and a draw.
But by all reports, when they lost Tom Lynch, the dream was over.

But at least they had a crack.
Even when they got beaten by 44 points.

"The flag dream never took shape, and become impossible when Tom Lynch broke down in round four. Despite having a genuine crack in every match, even in a 44-point loss to Sydney in round five and troubling some good teams, it officially ended last week when coach Damien Hardwick informed senior Richmond people after a one-point loss to Essendon."

 

[DanWCE]

The more interesting part of Shueys half time chat was mentioning again that he wants to get into coaching after footy. Maybe I'm reading into it a bit much but it feels a little like auditioning for potential roles, like announcing on LinkedIn you're open to offers.

Reckon this is his last year and he's casting a net to see what interest there is out there.

I would love for him to move into a development / WAFL coach role early on.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Good to see Barrett doesn't have any favourites and really sticks the boots into Richmond here

The difference is that Richmond are sitting 15th, have 3.5 wins, and a few narrow losses. If they are on the decline, it's only the start. How far they dip... we haven't seen yet. West Coast are sitting 18th, have a single win and just got flogged by (at the time) the last placed team. We are beyond rock-bottom, and that's after our worst season ever in 2022. It's not clear that we will win another game this year. Our current run, makes Fitzroy look pretty good.

I don't have a problem with commentators sticking the boot into West Coast harder than Richmond... this year.

Next year, if Richmond are getting belted by 10 goal margins, week-in and week-out... they'll deserve more stick.

 

[Tugga27]

The difference is that Richmond are sitting 15th, have 3.5 wins, and a few narrow losses. If they are on the decline, it's only the start. How far they dip... we haven't seen yet. West Coast are sitting 18th, have a single win and just got flogged by (at the time) the last placed team. We are beyond rock-bottom, and that's after our worst season ever in 2022. It's not clear that we will win another game this year. Our current run, makes Fitzroy look pretty good.

I don't have a problem with commentators sticking the boot into West Coast harder than Richmond... this year.

Next year, if Richmond are getting belted by 10 goal margins, week-in and week-out... they'll deserve more stick.

But the difference is, no one expected WC to finish outside of the bottom 4.
So apart from the Hawthorn game, we're pretty much as expected, especially given the injury crisis.

Richmond played finals last year and were expected to make a play for the flag
Two big name recruits to make a push.

They've beaten us, Adelaide early and Geelong.
Close losses or not, they're 15th.

But let's not stick the boot in to them.
It's double standards whichever way you look at it IMO.

 

[kane249]

“It’s interesting, you do need your captain out there playing, ideally,” Shuey said on Wednesday.

“If this was this time next year and I had another season where I hadn’t played too much footy, it (handing over the captaincy) would definitely be something I’d consider.” Luke Shuey - Jan 2022

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Said it elsewhere but Shuey did try to step down as captain this season, it was the players who wanted him back.

Source on that is Will Schofield on his pod

 

[TheNewAnchor]

The eastern state commentators wouldn’t have a clue what’s happening in WA. In the last week or so they’ve been focussing on the injury woes of St Kilda, Geelong and Sydney and how their unfortunate circumstances have been a primary factor in their recent performances. According to Damien Barrett West Coast are just a rabble and the blowtorch needs to be applied to the whole club, apparently our injuries are a minor side issue. Then there’s Cornes and his perception of WC’s arrogance. At this point in time I’d say we’re more dispirited, lacking in confidence and frustrated with our season…….I’m not seeing much in the way of arrogance.

It was refreshing to hear Brad Scott come out and acknowledge the impact of our injury issues on the weekend. I go to all our home games and while the last year and a half has been a Greek tragedy there are signs that the performance curve will start to move upwards over the coming months if we can get a few more of the experienced campaigners up and running. Get another pre-season into the young blokes, hit the draft in November, and things will start to improve measurably rather than exponentially. Once the young guys start to garner confidence and feel they belong in the AFL environment we’ll have a lot to enthuse about.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

But the difference is, no one expected WC to finish outside of the bottom 4.
So apart from the Hawthorn game, we're pretty much as expected, especially given the injury crisis.

I just don't understand this attitude... everyone expected us to be bad, so it's ok that we are bad?

We were bad last year. We've been epically bad this year. There is no evidence to suggest we won't be really bad again next year. Whether it is expected or not, doesn't change the outcome. So of course the media are going to focus on it.

And it's easy to point to injuries, but during the Hawthorn game our players looked like Auskick kids. Will Schofield made a really good point... if you muff a shot running into an open goal, or fumble a loose ball pickup, that has nothing to do with the other players on the field. I think that's what took the media by surprise... up until the Hawthorn game, they were willing to give us some latitude because of injuries. After the Hawthorn game, the media started to sit up and pay more attention because they realised the problem is deeper than just the current injury crisis.

Richmond played finals last year and were expected to make a play for the flag
Two big name recruits to make a push.

They've beaten us, Adelaide early and Geelong.
Close losses or not, they're 15th.

But let's not stick the boot in to them.
It's double standards whichever way you look at it IMO.

It really isn't. Damian Hardwick, one of the greatest coaches of the modern era, has just stood down. It's understandable the media will focus (at the moment) on Richmond's success and Hardwick's legacy.

If Richmond run 15th (or worst) next year and don't get a blow-torch, then you can claim it is a double standard.

 

[Tugga27]

I just don't understand this attitude... everyone expected us to be bad, so it's ok that we are bad?

We were bad last year. We've been epically bad this year. There is no evidence to suggest we won't be really bad again next year. Whether it is expected or not, doesn't change the outcome. So of course the media are going to focus on it.

And it's easy to point to injuries, but during the Hawthorn game our players looked like Auskick kids. Will Schofield made a really good point... if you muff a shot running into an open goal, or fumble a loose ball pickup, that has nothing to do with the other players on the field. I think that's what took the media by surprise... up until the Hawthorn game, they were willing to give us some latitude because of injuries. After the Hawthorn game, the media started to sit up and pay more attention because they realised the problem is deeper than just the current injury crisis.



It really isn't. Damian Hardwick, one of the greatest coaches of the modern era, has just stood down. It's understandable the media will focus (at the moment) on Richmond's success and Hardwick's legacy.

If Richmond run 15th (or worst) next year and don't get a blow-torch, then you can claim it is a double standard.

No one has said it's ok that we're bad, it's just being realistic.
The Hawthorn game was an outlier TBF.

It's easy to point to injuries but it's a fact.
Look at Sydney and Geelong with half of our injuries and they have more depth.
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Take 8 to 10 first starters out of any team and this is what you will get.

Of course it's double standards.
You can celebrate Hardwick all you want.
He's now gone.

They're 2 separate issues.
They're currently sitting 15th after playing finals last year and having drafted 2 big recruits.
You think they get a pass because a successful coach has quit?

I don't see how you can't see that.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

But the difference is, no one expected WC to finish outside of the bottom 4.
So apart from the Hawthorn game, we're pretty much as expected, especially given the injury crisis.

Richmond played finals last year and were expected to make a play for the flag
Two big name recruits to make a push.

They've beaten us, Adelaide early and Geelong.
Close losses or not, they're 15th.

But let's not stick the boot in to them.
It's double standards whichever way you look at it IMO.

So you expected 50 point losses to be considered a good performance heading in the season? If not, that's where we are at. There are of course reasons for it but we are getting criticised and Richmond is not because we are non-competitive and Richmond are.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

“It’s interesting, you do need your captain out there playing, ideally,” Shuey said on Wednesday.

“If this was this time next year and I had another season where I hadn’t played too much footy, it (handing over the captaincy) would definitely be something I’d consider.” Luke Shuey - Jan 2022

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Story start of year was that Shuey offered to stand down from the captaincy but the club and playing group backed him in to keep it.

 

[flyinghi64]

Yes everyone expected us to be bad and this over the top injury list we copped for the first half of the year Has helped prove them all more than right.
I personally believe if we hadn't suffered so many injuries to key/experienced players all at once we would be battling it out mid table.
Just getting 3 back last week we took about 10 goals off the losing margin.
Our game plan is good and will stack up and we actually have one, some teams are still working on one to take them forward.

Anyone thinking we are in Fitzroy territory are a bit off. Results wise yes but we are already a year and half into our next rebuild and have pumped more games into the next crop of players than we would have been expecting. Take out half of any teams starting line up and replace them with 10 players from the bottom of their list and they would be in the same position, or close to. We have a solid group of experience in the 22-28 year mark with some exciting young talent on the list and yet to arrive.

As long as we do not have a 3rd year of this injury fiasco I think our recovery will be quicker than most think.

C,mon
WE'RE THE EAGLES!!

 

[Bender_]

C,mon
WE'RE THE EAGLES!!

Were you one of the plane singing choir?

 

[Tyberious Funk]

So you expected 50 point losses to be considered a good performance heading in the season? If not, that's where we are at. There are of course reasons for it but we are getting criticised and Richmond is not because we are non-competitive and Richmond are.

Exactly.

People like to talk about the injury crisis, but let's look a the facts. Out of the medium- and long-term injuries this year that have really hurt us, who do we have:

Yeo, Shuey, Naitanui, McGovern, Cripps, Ryan.

Shuey, Naitanui, McGovern and Cripps are all over 31, while Yeo is 29. And now we have Jack Darling (almost 31) also injured, after a horror run of form.

Players at West Coast have a tendency to struggle much past 30, due to the impact of travel. Look at some of our longest-serving players over the past few years... how many of them played much past 30-31? Dean Cox retired at 33. Glen Jakovich was only 31, Darren Glass was 33, Guy McKenna was 31, Drew Banfield was 31, Peter Matera was 33, Andrew Embley was 32.

A lot of those players were travelling pretty well, until their last season when their performances started to fall off a cliff. By contrast, Shuey, Naitanui and McGovern all have extensive injury histories... how unrealistic is it to expect much from them past the age of 31? Even Jamie Cripps... one of the fittest players in the team... turns 32 in a few days and recovering from a badly broken ankle. How much are we going to get out of him next year? And then you have Andrew Gaff, who isn't even injured (at least, not officially) but is a shadow of his former self at the age of almost 31.

Any media pundit doing their research will look at our injury list, look at how much we are relying on aging players, and look at our track record of getting performances out of aging players, and they'll realise that we are in the deepest hole in the league, bar (maybe) North. And despite all of that, the criticism of Simpson has still been pretty tepid, at least from the Victorian media -- it took the flogging at the hands of Hawthorn for anyone to actually dare to question his position. A week later, and a pretty insipid performance against Essendon... and the knives disappeared.

 

[Tugga27]

So you expected 50 point losses to be considered a good performance heading in the season? If not, that's where we are at. There are of course reasons for it but we are getting criticised and Richmond is not because we are non-competitive and Richmond are.

Richmond don't have our injury list for a start.
They also played finals last year.

I'm not comparing the two side, just saying Richmond have escaped any if all criticism.
Richmond haven't got a young side or are injury hit.

Competitive or not, they're sitting 15th.

 

[Tugga27]

Exactly.

People like to talk about the injury crisis, but let's look a the facts. Out of the medium- and long-term injuries this year that have really hurt us, who do we have:

Yeo, Shuey, Naitanui, McGovern, Cripps, Ryan.

Shuey, Naitanui, McGovern and Cripps are all over 31, while Yeo is 29. And now we have Jack Darling (almost 31) also injured, after a horror run of form.

Players at West Coast have a tendency to struggle much past 30, due to the impact of travel. Look at some of our longest-serving players over the past few years... how many of them played much past 30-31? Dean Cox retired at 33. Glen Jakovich was only 31, Darren Glass was 33, Guy McKenna was 31, Drew Banfield was 31, Peter Matera was 33, Andrew Embley was 32.

A lot of those players were travelling pretty well, until their last season when their performances started to fall off a cliff. By contrast, Shuey, Naitanui and McGovern all have extensive injury histories... how unrealistic is it to expect much from them past the age of 31? Even Jamie Cripps... one of the fittest players in the team... turns 32 in a few days and recovering from a badly broken ankle. How much are we going to get out of him next year? And then you have Andrew Gaff, who isn't even injured (at least, not officially) but is a shadow of his former self at the age of almost 31.

Any media pundit doing their research will look at our injury list, look at how much we are relying on aging players, and look at our track record of getting performances out of aging players, and they'll realise that we are in the deepest hole in the league, bar (maybe) North. And despite all of that, the criticism of Simpson has still been pretty tepid, at least from the Victorian media -- it took the flogging at the hands of Hawthorn for anyone to actually dare to question his position. A week later, and a pretty insipid performance against Essendon... and the knives disappeared.

We're a poor side even at full strength.
Obviously not as bad with them in though.

Yeo, Shuey, Naitanui, McGovern, Cripps, Ryan and Darling.

Take 7 first starters out of all sides and they will struggle.
Take them out of our side and it's a horror show.

We were a lot better this week with the inclusions of Hurn, Yeo and Barrass.

 

[flyinghi64]

Were you one of the plane singing choir?

F-me if I could afford the time and money to fly around the country watching the Eagles get flogged I would be singing along to anything and everything.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Richmond don't have our injury list for a start.
They also played finals last year.

I'm not comparing the two side, just saying Richmond have escaped any if all criticism.
Richmond haven't got a young side or are injury hit.

Competitive or not, they're sitting 15th.

Lack of competitiveness gives of the impression of lack of effort. Naturally people tend to criticise those that look like they're not trying and failing more than those that look like they're trying and failing. Case in point Mark Waugh.

Competitiveness may not mean much to you but I'm afraid you're battling against human nature as regardless of fair or not people judge based on perception.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Can someone "ask simmo" why is gaff a walk up best 22 each weak given he has become such a mediocre player

I must be the minority but of all the Senior players I'm least annoyed with it's Gaff. The best ability really is availability and week in week out he's putting his body on the line and trying to set an example the best he can.

 

[KERRPOW]

I must be the minority but of all the Senior players I'm least annoyed with it's Gaff. The best ability really is availability and week in week out he's putting his body on the line and trying to set an example the best he can.

I used to think that also