Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[Zach Package]

Would have been cool if he punched Tim in the face

 

[Duckworth]

Getting conditioned for a tank to get Reid. Let's do it!

 

[yodellinhank]

Getting conditioned for a tank to get Reid. Let's do it!

I wouldn't. Too much of an injury risk - he's been doing some pre season training at Essendon.

 

[Zach Package]

Getting conditioned for a tank to get Reid. Let's do it!

You know how this ends, we tank, Hawks have a better, more organised tank and finish below us

 

[Duckworth]

You know how this ends, we tank, Hawks have a better, more organised tank and finish below us

Well, I was being a bit silly. Just have to lose Round 1.

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

Getting conditioned for a tank to get Reid. Let's do it!

Or we can try our best and still finish low enough to get Reid (Archer, that is).

 

[Mercurial89]

Daddy Brad with The Wisp

Speaks very impressively and his resume makes you believe that he can do what he is setting out to do.
Willing to give him time, we are not close.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Full thing for those who haven't seen it.

 

[ant555]

Inexperienced coach says it will take time. Sorry mate no time.
Experienced coach says it will take time. No worries . Carry on Sir .

In all seriousness yes I do think it will take time. To get to the top 4. I think they are playing down where we are at though.

 

[D3K91]

Inexperienced coach says it will take time. Sorry mate no time.
Experienced coach says it will take time. No worries . Carry on Sir .

In all seriousness yes I do think it will take time. To get to the top 4. I think they are playing down where we are at though.

Personally and with no disrespect to the playing group, I feel this is as much a reflection of the list as it is the coach. We’ve had some nice picks but also some yet to be proven.

Understand it’s also coach-speak for hedging your bets, but Scott went from “pleasantly surprised” to “it’s going to take some time” and I think that depth of knowledge comes from being around the club a bit more.


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[Yoda_]

Inexperienced coach says it will take time. Sorry mate no time.
Experienced coach says it will take time. No worries . Carry on Sir .

In all seriousness yes I do think it will take time. To get to the top 4. I think they are playing down where we are at though.

Under promise + over deliver = success

Business 101

 

[ant555]

Under promise + over deliver = success

Business 101

Truck did the same in year 1 . Did not work out so well for him

 

[citizen-erased]

Inexperienced coach says it will take time. Sorry mate no time.
Experienced coach says it will take time. No worries . Carry on Sir .

In all seriousness yes I do think it will take time. To get to the top 4. I think they are playing down where we are at though.

Top 4 usually requires depth, critical pieces in place and largely experienced, and a bit of luck.

Our key defensive positions and depth need too much work.
As do our small forwards.
In pretty happy with the tracking of the rest of the list with weideman and setterfield added.

 

[faible]

Truck did the same in year 1 . Did not work out so well for him

We accidentally overachieved in year 1, then people stopped listening to him in year 2 when he kept trying to keep expectations low.

 

[Keystone agony]

Truck did the same in year 1 . Did not work out so well for him

Year 1 was forgotten about a few weeks into year 2

 

[BrunoV]

Rutten's problem was that he didn't emphasise defence from the start. An interesting approach for a guy who had been trying to strengthen defence for 2 years (and who had nothing to show for that).

He fed the beast and then didn't have the credibility to reign in back in.

Whether he felt he had the backing of the club required to ride out an ugly 2021 is likely to be one of the key problems.

But then that takes me back to the pretty simple reality that he was given the job as a pr management stunt. The key person that believed in him wasn't even part of the team and the holdovers were trying to deflect away from the debacle of the premature extension of Worsfold followed by his checking out.

There was virtually no basis for anyone at the club to be satisfied that Rutten was the man for the job or even something approaching the best candidate.

We should then face what was staring us in the face the whole time. The guy was incapable of articulating anything meaningful about the game. It should not be a surprise that he failed.

 

[faible]

Rutten's problem was that he didn't emphasise defence from the start.

Um.

 

[Zach Package]

Rutten's problem was that he didn't emphasise defence from the start. An interesting approach for a guy who had been trying to strengthen defence for 2 years (and who had nothing to show for that).

He fed the beast and then didn't have the credibility to reign in back in.

Whether he felt he had the backing of the club required to ride out an ugly 2021 is likely to be one of the key problems.

But then that takes me back to the pretty simple reality that he was given the job as a pr management stunt. The key person that believed in him wasn't even part of the team and the holdovers were trying to deflect away from the debacle of the premature extension of Worsfold followed by his checking out.

There was virtually no basis for anyone at the club to be satisfied that Rutten was the man for the job or even something approaching the best candidate.

We should then face what was staring us in the face the whole time. The guy was incapable of articulating anything meaningful about the game. It should not be a surprise that he failed.

Disagree.

He tried to implement something like advanced algebra to a group incapable of counting into double figures, and then obviously tried to backtrack from there after that blew up and then seemingly everyone lost respect for him and basically killed him off from there.

His sin was thinking what worked with a group of ultra elite runners and organisers in all 3 thirds that took a good 3 or 4 years to come to fruition would just magically work immediately without having any of those things. Wishful thinking even at the time.

 

[BrunoV]

Um.

Nothing about the way we played indicates that he did.

 

[faible]

Nothing about the way we played indicates that he did.

I can only assume you didn't watch us very closely then.

First season we played a simple high pressure gameplan, with guys like AMT and Snelling fit and providing pressure.

Second season he tried to ramp up the complexity of the system (basic high pressure only takes you so far) with both AMT and Snelling not playing, it didn't work.

You often type a lot of words, but don't seem to read a lot in return. ant555 has posted at length about how we played, and whilst you might disagree with his conclusions, I don't see how you can gloss over the whole thing - repeatedly - and pretend Rutten didn't attempt to play a defensive gameplan.

We played a simple high-pressure game, we drafted two-ways runners, we tried to ramp up the complexity to build a system capable of standing up in finals.

 

[andleanback]

Inexperienced coach says it will take time. Sorry mate no time.
Experienced coach says it will take time. No worries . Carry on Sir .

In all seriousness yes I do think it will take time. To get to the top 4. I think they are playing down where we are at though.

Better to play down than pump up and flop.
In seriousness though, no one can look at our list profile and and think we should be a contender in 2023. If we win 10 games that’s a good result this year.

 

[andleanback]

Looking like heppell will keep the captaincy. Not sure you can have a borderline 22 captain. Coupled with he almost walked out the door at the end of the season.

 

[Keystone agony]

For me i think the theory Rutten was trying to teach something to complicated for the group is over estimated as to our demise

More so in 2021 we had Stringer as the best player in the comp for a 10 week stretch, had a soft run and the confidence was as high as it will just about get amongst the group. Coupled with an up tick in having a new coach which is pretty common in the first year. We only won 4 more games and were clearly no where near finals capable

4 less wins result of. Injuries, tougher draw, no up tick from 1st year coach, didnt get the confidence run

Nothing and if so very little to do with any dramatic change in complicity in coaching

 

[MiguelM]

For me i think the theory Rutten was trying to teach something to complicated for the group is over estimated as to our demise

More so in 2021 we had Stringer as the best player in the comp for a 10 week stretch, had a soft run and the confidence was as high as it will just about get amongst the group. Coupled with an up tick in having a new coach which is pretty common in the first year. We only won 4 more games and were clearly no where near finals capable

4 less wins result of. Injuries, tougher draw, no up tick from 1st year coach, didnt get the confidence run

Nothing and if so very little to do with any dramatic change in complicity in coaching

& no Tippa did not help Rutten at all.

 

[Chucks]

Looking like heppell will keep the captaincy. Not sure you can have a borderline 22 captain. Coupled with he almost walked out the door at the end of the season.

I think it's a good choice. For me there's no blinding stand-out to be the next skipper at the moment. Merrett, McGrath, Redman all in the conversation of course, but there's no clear-cut choice at the moment. I think going into this year - where all players will know the handover is imminent - will really make the leader candidates rise to the top, and make it an easier decision hopefully.