Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[Pugsley]

Pyke is an experienced negotiator from his oil and gas days - his job was to negotiate multi million dollars deals. so no surprises he is involved at the coal face here.

We can just throw rocks at SOS.

 

[Pugsley]

Grow up. Stay out of the adults chatting.

Enjoy your sponge flan.

 

[Fivel_79]

As it stands today counting McGovern as Gone.
The Crows have 6 senior vacancies. with 3 senior players yet to sign in Otten, Cheney and Signorella, Plus 2 Rookie still to sign in Hunter. and CEY who has or is close to signing.

Thanks, so under the proposed trade for McGovern if we add McAdam plus trade for Smith & Stengle plus sign Otten (as rumoured/reported) and I've got my sums correct it'd leave us with 7, 15, 19, 24 & 25 (subject to FA Compo, Father son & Academy picks) of which we'd only use three? If we can't bundle a few to move up or for future picks it's a huge waste. We'd have to have a plan or we're essentially giving McGovern away for nothing.

 

[ad victoriam]

Thanks, so under the proposed trade for McGovern if we add McAdam plus trade for Smith & Stengle plus sign Otten (as rumoured/reported) and I've got my sums correct it'd leave us with 7, 15, 19, 24 & 25 (subject to FA Compo, Father son & Academy picks) of which we'd only use three? If we can't bundle a few to move up or for future picks it's a huge waste. We'd have to have a plan or we're essentially giving McGovern away for nothing.

That why I reckon the 5 way for 2 and 3 would be good for the Crows. and is believable

 

[Shaz2012]

Thanks, so under the proposed trade for McGovern if we add McAdam plus trade for Smith & Stengle plus sign Otten (as rumoured/reported) and I've got my sums correct it'd leave us with 7, 15, 19, 24 & 25 (subject to FA Compo, Father son & Academy picks) of which we'd only use three? If we can't bundle a few to move up or for future picks it's a huge waste. We'd have to have a plan or we're essentially giving McGovern away for nothing.

Why are you adding McAdam though? He isn't worth 25, we would be better off taking 4 players and letting McAdam go to Carlton or GC.

Edit: Same goes for Smith and Stengle by the way, but assuming they are being taken for specific needs. I seriously doubt we would be taking McAdam and Stengle. It would be one or the other. I don't know enough about either to state a preference.

 

[1990crow]

I think the only way they're trading away picks like that is if it's for young established players again. I'm sure their supporters would love to be taking them all to the draft, but if they're trading them for players they at least know that player wants to go to GC.

Thanks, so under the proposed trade for McGovern if we add McAdam plus trade for Smith & Stengle plus sign Otten (as rumoured/reported) and I've got my sums correct it'd leave us with 7, 15, 19, 24 & 25 (subject to FA Compo, Father son & Academy picks) of which we'd only use three? If we can't bundle a few to move up or for future picks it's a huge waste. We'd have to have a plan or we're essentially giving McGovern away for nothing.

Interesting, hadn’t thought about list numbers.

Note we only had 39 in 2018.
Out: McGovern, Hampton, Dear, Gibson, Cheney/Kelly
In: Stengle, Smith, McAdam, Pick 8, Pick 16, Pick 21, Pick 37, Pick 27, Pick 29

So even assuming one of Cheney/Kelly are going to be traded/delisted that leaves us with a maximum six spots to fill. But, we’ve shown we prefer to go 39 due to salary cap recently meaning more likely only going to be 5 spots unless there’s other players going. Keeping Mackay looks like a terrible option when you look at all this.

If the picks proposed GC/Carlton/Adelaide trade is true (Picks 2+3) that would be 4 in with Smith possibly taking the 5th free spot leaving pick 37 not in use.

 

[headache1]

Interesting, hadn’t thought about list numbers.

Note we only had 39 in 2018.
Out: McGovern, Hampton, Dear, Gibson, Cheney/Kelly
In: Stengle, Smith, McAdam, Pick 8, Pick 16, Pick 21, Pick 37, Pick 27, Pick 29

So even assuming one of Cheney/Kelly are going to be traded/delisted that leaves us with a maximum six spots to fill. But, we’ve shown we prefer to go 39 due to salary cap recently meaning more likely only going to be 5 spots unless there’s other players going. Keeping Mackay looks like a terrible option when you look at all this.

If the picks proposed GC/Carlton/Adelaide trade is true (Picks 2+3) that would be 4 in with Smith possibly taking the 5th free spot leaving pick 37 not in use.

Could potentially bundle those picks not being used to trade them for a future first/second round pick depending on what is left over. Might appeal to a club that needs to bid on FS/Academy players this year.

 

[jirkago]

To be fair, some genius thought a good campaign for Adelaide at the start of this year was "Whatever It Takes"

Wasn’t that Essendons slogan when they got caught with peptides?


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[Rory Walkerfield]

Wasn’t that Essendons slogan when they got caught with peptides?


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Yes

 

[Fivel_79]

Why are you adding McAdam though? He isn't worth 25, we would be better off taking 4 players and letting McAdam go to Carlton or GC.

Edit: Same goes for Smith and Stengle by the way, but assuming they are being taken for specific needs. I seriously doubt we would be taking McAdam and Stengle. It would be one or the other. I don't know enough about either to state a preference.

It's all hypothetical but was only throwing around names and draft picks that have been linked to the club.

I agree that all the players at the lower end of the scale in terms of draft value but if they're traded them in for specific needs, then list spots to draft picks doesn't add up. It's just something I've been thinking about in the terms of the likelihood vs. cost in real terms of trying to bundle picks to move up the draft order.

 

[TexForPM]

Nearly spat my drink out when I heard his explanation. It is okay for clubs to hold someone to their contract if they want to leave for family reasons but not okay if they just want more cash and don't go home???

Madness and if anything, surely the reverse of his point would be more true.

Really wanna punch McLure in the knob

In the head then. Can't miss hid enormous knob head

 

[Mismatched]

Interesting, hadn’t thought about list numbers.

Note we only had 39 in 2018.
Out: McGovern, Hampton, Dear, Gibson, Cheney/Kelly
In: Stengle, Smith, McAdam, Pick 8, Pick 16, Pick 21, Pick 37, Pick 27, Pick 29

So even assuming one of Cheney/Kelly are going to be traded/delisted that leaves us with a maximum six spots to fill. But, we’ve shown we prefer to go 39 due to salary cap recently meaning more likely only going to be 5 spots unless there’s other players going. Keeping Mackay looks like a terrible option when you look at all this.

If the picks proposed GC/Carlton/Adelaide trade is true (Picks 2+3) that would be 4 in with Smith possibly taking the 5th free spot leaving pick 37 not in use.

Pretty sure we had 38 on the list this year, 4 + 1 on the rookie list and then 1 free spot.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

That why I reckon the 5 way for 2 and 3 would be good for the Crows. and is believable

But it’s not really believable, is it? GC already have 2,3,17,26,29, plus whatever they might get for May. But they might only have 5-6 spots to fill. Why would they trade their top end picks for even more picks in the 15-30 range that they probably wouldn’t need. It doesn’t really make any sense.

 

[F_therest]

These State players, such as McAdam, literally have zero trade value. It's mind-boggling that they are even being discussed and if we were to accept any of them as part of a deal for a contracted McGovern an administration clean out is in order...

You have no idea what trade value the state players have do you. You're assuming.

 

[ABAB]

No we were not.

2012 we had a super easy draw and everything went our way. We played good sides when they lost key players. We had the better sides at AAMI stadium instead of way.

We were about the 5 to 8th best side but different factors went our way to climb up the ladder.

See the Hawks this year and Port Adelaide in 2007.

Played 2 top 8 teams twice in Geelong (finished 6th) and Fremantle (finished 7th) and bottom 2 team in GWS and GC twice so it wasn't a "super easy draw" and pushed Hawks within a goal in the preliminary final. I consider us border-line top 4 team but we were building something until we lost both our most important players in Tippett and Walker, and Walker was even more so given Tippett left.

 

[Crouch#44]

LOL. Weren't you banned completely the other day as well ?? What was that for ??

Na just yesterday, the blue fans are a bit soft over there

 

[exit]

You have no idea what trade value the state players have do you. You're assuming.

And you're reaching.

 

[F_therest]

Na just yesterday, the blue fans are a bit soft over there

you come to our board and post SOS sniffs Dylan Shiels crack...and surprised youre banned? great input.

Not even witty banter. Just a weird, immature thing to post.

 

[exit]

you come to our board and post SOS sniffs Dylan Shiels crack...and surprised youre banned? great input.

Not even witty banter. Just a weird, immature thing to post.

Please hold, your input is important to us...

 

[Crouch#44]

you come to our board and post SOS sniffs Dylan Shiels crack...and surprised youre banned? great input.

Not even witty banter. Just a weird, immature thing to post.

I also said if you land shiel it would be a great effort if not potentially the best effort out of all clubs this off season.

Your fan base are smashing our culture because one player wants out... eagles just won a flag and they have 2 players wanting out.... is their culture a sinking ship as well?

 

[Crow till I die]

That why I reckon the 5 way for 2 and 3 would be good for the Crows. and is believable

If something like that was at all on the cards i would not doubt that we may even include a player that may have agreed to move there that might be fighting for a starting spot..maybe a himmelberg who has lived in queensland and would be guaranteed more game time or maybe a hartigan who cpuld easily hold down a key defensive post and may struggle to be 1st choice with us...just a thought

 

[Miss Vanessa]

You have no idea what trade value the state players have do you. You're assuming.

And we probably never will know their value because instead of going into the draft like they should, they’re being handed on a platter to two teams who are mightily struggling to do football. Of course we’re assuming their trade value. That’s the whole point of the thread.

 

[Cleric]

I don’t believe his best position is as a forward. It is as a defender

Plenty of underage kids were forwards but never took that next step.

I believe he can play both equally. Was the best talent in his draft year pre injury, playing as a forward. Reality is Hawks needed a backman.

 

[Flip Side]

Out of interest ( not that it’s likely) who would consider a straight swap McGovern for Burton?

Both nearly 50 games, similar height, weight, both can play both ends.

Mitch has been injury prone, but is more explosive, Burton younger but has the knee injury history.

Burton not the pack marker but stays in the game longer.

 

[Pea Nut]

Out of interest ( not that it’s likely) who would consider a straight swap McGovern for Burton?

Both nearly 50 games, similar height, weight, both can play both ends.

Mitch has been injury prone, but is more explosive, Burton younger but has the knee injury history.

Burton not the pack marker but stays in the game longer.

From what I saw of Burton this year, nope. And especially from what I saw during finals. Previously would have considered it, but would probably have wanted something extra coming our way.