Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[ContrarianCrow]

Sure, we can keep acting like everything is a disaster.

We had a TERRIBLE year and still won 12 games. We don't need to fix many things to have dramatic improvement.

15 or 16 wins will ALWAYS make you top four. Once you have a double chance, you're a massive chance for a flag.

Pedantic maybe, but we missed top 4 with 16 wins only 2 years ago. I think it's oversimplifying to use the W/L ratio to say we weren't far off our 2017 form; we had top spot wrapped up with 2 games to spare, then lost to the red-hot Swans by 3 points (courtesy of a garbage 50m against Eddie when we had all the momentum late in the last) and then rested a number of first-choice players away against an Eagles side fighting for their season. Doesn't really compare to a couple of late dead rubber wins to salvage some respectability.

FWIW I agree we can rebound to where we were, but let's not act like we were anything but a shadow of our 2017 pre-GF selves.

 

[TexMachine]

I am optimistic about next year too, and the next couple after. (Then it’s rebuild time.)

However I think 12 wins flattered us. If 12 wins placed us in the finals we would have been smashed. We were miles off the contenders.

We need a great pre season, no injuries, coherent players...and then we have a chance of top 4. But no guarantees, other teams are coming hard.

If we are smart this years trade period is the start of the rebuild. Whilst staying in the window

 

[kulak]

If we are smart this years trade period is the start of the rebuild. Whilst staying in the window

Sounds like you are happy with eternal mediocrity?

I think rebuilding now is a terrible idea because

1. It reduces our chance of winning a flag while we still have Sloane Tex Talia etc

2. It reduces our chance of winning a flag in 10 years because in 4 years we will be mediocre rather than terrible, which means we will get mediocre draft picks rather than good

The only exception is if there is 1-2 SA player who will not be available in any draft in the next 5-10 years.

However I think the AFC will go with your approach. We don’t bottom out. Aim for 6th every year. Win most of our home games to keep the punters happy.

 

[Pugsley]

There is no doubt that if we have a good year with injuries that the line will be that 2018 was a one off and Burton and Hass are quality.

What they will fail to elaborate on is they had to bring in Saunders to clean up there mess.

their.

 

[Elite Crow]

their.

Fanks

 

[Pugsley]

Fanks

Apologies, had hay fever. May have been accidental.

 

[Golumless]

Absolute crazy talk, Doedee is a fine defender and good one on one as well as interceptor. Maybe the money u r saying is right but we need him desperately. We have no one else close who can play that role


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Heres the thing - we don't. Cheney could play that role well, Kelly could play that role well (Kelly kept Doedee out of the side last year doing the exact same thing FYI). Hell you could find state league players that can play that role to an adequate level. That's not to downplay Doedee as a player, as i'm absolutely estatic with how he's developing, but he isn't irreplacable. Irreplacable is only for your Rances/Dangerfields/Kennedys types.

Most players have a price that i'd say is stupid not to accept. Doedee is one of that large group. That was all that comment was meant to state. Whether my price was too low is another thing all together .

Mind you, I highly doubt he'll ever get those offers anyway. Poor guy is about 5cms too short. Not a bad thing for us mind you, seeing he'd be looking at a million + per year if he was that height.

Generally like a lot of your posting golumless but you’re way off on this one. Doedee is a good shot at being multiple AA in a Corey Enright type manner as has already been mentioned. He’s a key to us getting back deep into September over the next 10 years, if we can manage to not Adelaide him into leaving.

Kristof nailed the point I had.

Interesting angle.

So you wouldn't have been keen to lock down say Corey Enright at Geelong because the role he was playing was not "high value"?

Personally, I'd be signing him up for the long term and thanking whatever god floats your boat that we have such a rare talent at our disposal.

You are only in a rush to lockdown talent if you believe their value is going to increase dramatically in the next year (Milera is a good example). The thing however is Doedee is no threat to increase in value, even if he AAs so the goal must be as team friendly as possible. After all, he's already going to be close to max worth regardless

Team friendly has to be the goal of this contract. I would be offering a contract to Doedee now (say 5years x 425k) then potentially upping it in 8 months to 525k seeing what happens.

So no. I'm not rushed. There is no real threat to this deal.

 

[conVINCEd]

If we are smart this years trade period is the start of the rebuild. Whilst staying in the window

Agree but we could literally do nothing and still achieve that.

Refuse to trade a contracted McGovern and let Hamish loose on three top 20 picks and one in the late 30s.

That’s our outcome from doing diddly squat - let’s see what Reid and Burton can achieve beyond that.

 

[jirkago]

Heres the thing - we don't. Cheney could play that role well, Kelly could play that role well (Kelly kept Doedee out of the side last year doing the exact same thing FYI). Hell you could find state league players that can play that role to an adequate level. That's not to downplay Doedee as a player, as i'm absolutely estatic with how he's developing, but he isn't irreplacable. Irreplacable is only for your Rances/Dangerfields/Kennedys types.

Most players have a price that i'd say is stupid not to accept. Doedee is one of that large group. That was all that comment was meant to state. Whether my price was too low is another thing all together .

Mind you, I highly doubt he'll ever get those offers anyway. Poor guy is about 5cms too short. Not a bad thing for us mind you, seeing he'd be looking at a million + per year if he was that height.



Kristof nailed the point I had.



You are only in a rush to lockdown talent if you believe their value is going to increase dramatically in the next year (Milera is a good example). The thing however is Doedee is no threat to increase in value, even if he AAs so the goal must be as team friendly as possible. After all, he's already going to be close to max worth regardless

Team friendly has to be the goal of this contract. I would be offering a contract to Doedee now (say 5years x 425k) then potentially upping it in 8 months to 525k seeing what happens.

So no. I'm not rushed. There is no real threat to this deal.

Not complaining about his money and cents, I did get your point but to compare Doedee now to Kelly or Cheney is poor.
Kelly is an ok lock defender that just doesn’t know when to move the ball quickly and that can destroy momentum.
Cheney is a lot better then Kelly but is older and will only have a few years left.

Doedee is much better at Botha and is the sort of player we need in our back half. For me he is a must keep. We also have to remember that this was his first year in the afl


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[Pugsley]

Not complaining about his money and cents, I did get your point but to compare Doedee now to Kelly or Cheney is poor.
Kelly is an ok lock defender that just doesn’t know when to move the ball quickly and that can destroy momentum.
Cheney is a lot better then Kelly but is older and will only have a few years left.

Doedee is much better at Botha and is the sort of player we need in our back half. For me he is a must keep. We also have to remember that this was his first year in the afl


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Johan has nothing on Tom.

 

[Mego Red]

Sounds like you are happy with eternal mediocrity?

I think rebuilding now is a terrible idea because

1. It reduces our chance of winning a flag while we still have Sloane Tex Talia etc

2. It reduces our chance of winning a flag in 10 years because in 4 years we will be mediocre rather than terrible, which means we will get mediocre draft picks rather than good

The only exception is if there is 1-2 SA player who will not be available in any draft in the next 5-10 years.

However I think the AFC will go with your approach. We don’t bottom out. Aim for 6th every year. Win most of our home games to keep the punters happy.

Yeah, you can actually rebuild without bottoming out. If you have a decent talent spread across the age ranges within your list, you shouldn't necessarily ever have to tank for draft picks.

You can maintain a winning culture and add quality talent to that environment.

 

[spenze]

Johan has nothing on Tom.

He was just chucking it out there

 

[TexMachine]

Sounds like you are happy with eternal mediocrity?

I think rebuilding now is a terrible idea because

1. It reduces our chance of winning a flag while we still have Sloane Tex Talia etc

2. It reduces our chance of winning a flag in 10 years because in 4 years we will be mediocre rather than terrible, which means we will get mediocre draft picks rather than good

The only exception is if there is 1-2 SA player who will not be available in any draft in the next 5-10 years.

However I think the AFC will go with your approach. We don’t bottom out. Aim for 6th every year. Win most of our home games to keep the punters happy.

So you don’t think getting 4 or 5 players in the top 30 or upgrading and gettin 2 or 3 in the top 12 helps us to rebuild without bottoming out and without trading out all our assets (Gov excluded).

 

[Crow till I die]

Just listened to the trade radio podcast and you should hear Damien Barrett cheerleading his disdain of our club - thinks the crows will bend over and just let him walk for late 1st or maybe 2nd rounder because he will tell all about the camp if not and apparently we will be lucky with that result. When we do get a great deal for McGovern much in excess of what that clown thinks - I will personally tweet barrett and tell him he is a flog muppet and should get a new line of work as he is poor at the one he touts himself in

EDIT: My bad - not about the camp specifically but McGovern's last 12 months at the club was barretts' commentary

 

[MRB37]

Just listened to the trade radio podcast and you should hear Damien Barrett cheerleading his disdain of our club - thinks the crows will bend over and just let him walk for late 1st or maybe 2nd rounder because he will tell all about the camp if not and apparently we will be lucky with that result. When we do get a great deal for McGovern much in excess of what that clown thinks - I will personally tweet barrett and tell him he is a flog muppet and should get a new line of work as he is poor at the one he touts himself in

Eh, Barrett is just a thin skinned, negative, miserable person in general whose ego can't handle it when people push back at him. Just look at his vendetta against Beveridge.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Just listened to the trade radio podcast and you should hear Damien Barrett cheerleading his disdain of our club - thinks the crows will bend over and just let him walk for late 1st or maybe 2nd rounder because he will tell all about the camp if not and apparently we will be lucky with that result. When we do get a great deal for McGovern much in excess of what that clown thinks - I will personally tweet barrett and tell him he is a flog muppet and should get a new line of work as he is poor at the one he touts himself in

Yeah I can't see Reid settling for that and letting himself wear the heat for shortcomings in other parts of the footy club. Bad deal = McGovern stays. Simple.

 

[Thetrader15]

So has Gov nominated Carlton yet???

Still waiting...

 

[Elite Crow]

Just listened to the trade radio podcast and you should hear Damien Barrett cheerleading his disdain of our club - thinks the crows will bend over and just let him walk for late 1st or maybe 2nd rounder because he will tell all about the camp if not and apparently we will be lucky with that result. When we do get a great deal for McGovern much in excess of what that clown thinks - I will personally tweet barrett and tell him he is a flog muppet and should get a new line of work as he is poor at the one he touts himself in

So if the Integrity report comes out and says nothing bad happened, Gov is going to admit to not coming clean to the AFL?

 

[GreyCrow]

Just listened to the trade radio podcast and you should hear Damien Barrett cheerleading his disdain of our club - thinks the crows will bend over and just let him walk for late 1st or maybe 2nd rounder because he will tell all about the camp if not and apparently we will be lucky with that result. When we do get a great deal for McGovern much in excess of what that clown thinks - I will personally tweet barrett and tell him he is a flog muppet and should get a new line of work as he is poor at the one he touts himself in

Damian just got a phone call

 

[Crow till I die]

Damian just got a phone call

here is the link..he come across as a smarmy piece of work thats for sure
https://t.co/L9UrYJ3F0I - about 11.30 into it

 

[ams4crows]

Gee Damien is such a douche canoe, im sick of AFL media laying the boot into us, how about picking on Carlton who have been ****ing shithouse for over a decade!

 

[Cleric]

He hasn't argued Doedee isn't good. He's argued that clubs aren't going to prioritise spending big to lure him away, due to the value of that position.

But yet expects Geelong to hand over a first and second for him.

 

[matty p]

Heres the thing - we don't. Cheney could play that role well, Kelly could play that role well (Kelly kept Doedee out of the side last year doing the exact same thing FYI). Hell you could find state league players that can play that role to an adequate level. That's not to downplay Doedee as a player, as i'm absolutely estatic with how he's developing, but he isn't irreplacable. Irreplacable is only for your Rances/Dangerfields/Kennedys types.

Most players have a price that i'd say is stupid not to accept. Doedee is one of that large group. That was all that comment was meant to state. Whether my price was too low is another thing all together .

Mind you, I highly doubt he'll ever get those offers anyway. Poor guy is about 5cms too short. Not a bad thing for us mind you, seeing he'd be looking at a million + per year if he was that height.



Kristof nailed the point I had.



You are only in a rush to lockdown talent if you believe their value is going to increase dramatically in the next year (Milera is a good example). The thing however is Doedee is no threat to increase in value, even if he AAs so the goal must be as team friendly as possible. After all, he's already going to be close to max worth regardless

Team friendly has to be the goal of this contract. I would be offering a contract to Doedee now (say 5years x 425k) then potentially upping it in 8 months to 525k seeing what happens.

So no. I'm not rushed. There is no real threat to this deal.

Actually Cheney was shocking when he was thrust into Doedee’s role for a couple of games this year. He worked okay as a one on one defender but when he had to play as an intercept defender he had no impact on the game whatsoever and was seemingly unable to position himself in the right spots.

 

[ABAB]

What? Their first pick is still going to be likely no1 next year, at minimum pick 3. They're not giving up next years first rounder either.

We will probably get offered their PP (19ish) and some junk. And like chumps we will accept it.

It's not "giving it away", it's because this year first rounder isn't tradeable due to the talent of the top 5 and them needing quality potential gun midfielder in Walsh. So they need to trade with next year pick, so effectively McGovern + pick 14 for top 5 pick next year. Then we offload their future pick for this year top 5 pick, but nothing is certain, they might have a good run next year who knows, hence their future pick will have currency to trade for this year top 5 pick.

 

[latinoheat]

here is the link..he come across as a smarmy piece of work thats for sure
https://t.co/L9UrYJ3F0I - about 11.30 into it

Lol... save that for when the deal actually goes down . If we are only offered a late first for him we shouldn’t do the trade.