Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[WaynesWorld19]

And yet some can point to our lack of ultimate success as an indication of not having top 5s

I'm not sold but its worth considering

Maybe we could ask CARL Management for their view ?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Maybe we could ask CARL Management for their view ?

To be fair our development of young players is in another stratosphere compared to theirs

Imagine what we could possibly turn Rankine or Luko into, going by our past track record with first rounders alone

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To be fair our development of young players is in another stratosphere compared to theirs

Imagine what we could possibly turn Rankine or Luko into, going by our past track record with first rounders alone

This, which has to brought into the conversation of the essential need for top 5 picks ....but it's also our recruiters who can identify "latent" unexposed talent

More often, top 10 players are those that have maximized their form in their Draft Year ....not necessarily the best players of the Draft Year

 

[kulak]

And yet some can point to our lack of ultimate success as an indication of not having top 5s

I'm not sold but its worth considering

I would point to the lack of being a consistent contender.

Once in the last 12 years we were a genuine premiership threat and fell short in the GF.

Every other finals campaign we were making up the numbers.

Now we are a few years away from the end for Sloane, Tex, Talia etc. I hope we can contend in the next 3 ish years but that’s probably best case.

At the end of the cycle we will have been a genuine premiership chance in maybe 1-3 years out of 15. That’s having nailed pretty much every draft pick otherwise it would have been worse.

I just think we are battling uphill with the “never bottom out” mentality. Yes the punters are happy because we win 6+ home games - but we are rarely a premiership threat.

Vs a different team who gets early draft picks but still fights hard and develops their players like Paul Roos Melbourne, early GWS, Chris Fagan Brisbane, early Hardwick Richmond - they will have a talent advantage over us.

 

[GROTTO]

And yet some can point to our lack of ultimate success as an indication of not having top 5s

I'm not sold but its worth considering

FFS we were so close to last year proving you dont need to tank/rebuild/etc and can win a flag without top 5 draft picks.

Hard to forgive the playing group for not turning up on GF day. I guess they live with that for the rest of their lives, mind you we do too.

 

[GROTTO]

I would point to the lack of being a consistent contender.

Once in the last 12 years we were a genuine premiership threat and fell short in the GF.

Every other finals campaign we were making up the numbers.

Now we are a few years away from the end for Sloane, Tex, Talia etc. I hope we can contend in the next 3 ish years but that’s probably best case.

At the end of the cycle we will have been a genuine premiership chance in maybe 1-3 years out of 15. That’s having nailed pretty much every draft pick otherwise it would have been worse.

I just think we are battling uphill with the “never bottom out” mentality. Yes the punters are happy because we win 6+ home games - but we are rarely a premiership threat.

Vs a different team who gets early draft picks but still fights hard and develops their players like Paul Roos Melbourne, early GWS, Chris Fagan Brisbane, early Hardwick Richmond - they will have a talent advantage over us.

2012

We should have rolled the Hawks in the prelim. Would have beaten imo the Swans in the GF.

True other years we were making up the numbers.

 

[GreyCrow]

I would point to the lack of being a consistent contender.

Once in the last 12 years we were a genuine premiership threat and fell short in the GF.

Every other finals campaign we were making up the numbers.

Now we are a few years away from the end for Sloane, Tex, Talia etc. I hope we can contend in the next 3 ish years but that’s probably best case.

At the end of the cycle we will have been a genuine premiership chance in maybe 1-3 years out of 15. That’s having nailed pretty much every draft pick otherwise it would have been worse.

I just think we are battling uphill with the “never bottom out” mentality. Yes the punters are happy because we win 6+ home games - but we are rarely a premiership threat.

Vs a different team who gets early draft picks but still fights hard and develops their players like Paul Roos Melbourne, early GWS, Chris Fagan Brisbane, early Hardwick Richmond - they will have a talent advantage over us.

FFS we were so close to last year proving you dont need to tank/rebuild/etc and can win a flag without top 5 draft picks.

Hard to forgive the playing group for not turning up on GF day. I guess they live with that for the rest of their lives, mind you we do too.

As I said I think its at least worth thinking about it. I dont think you can dismiss it , as ww did , by pointing to those teams that fail to develop etc.

You look at Richmond last year, and I was as guilty as everybody else , and nobody picks them to win. They did it on the back of Dusty (3), Reiwoldt (13) , Houli (42) and Rance (18) , Cotchin (2)

Dusty and Cotchin are their only 2 top 5 players to play in the GF. Dustin got the Norm and Cotchin 21 disposals. Do Richmond win that game without the 2 of them? I dont know .

I'm not saying top 5 picks guarantee you a Premiership but gee it would be nice to find out over the next few years

 

[mistylake]

Maybe we could ask CARL Management for their view ?

Well let’s forget about Carlton for a few more years and look to the other laughing stock Melbourne. We thought they would continue on their losing ways but finally it’s clicked and with their high draft picks have finally rocketed up into premiership contention.
We know we can’t compete with their stacked midfield.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Well let’s forget about Carlton for a few more years and look to the other laughing stock Melbourne. We thought they would continue on their losing ways but finally it’s clicked and with their high draft picks have finally rocketed up into premiership contention.
We know we can’t compete with their stacked midfield.

It not just about talent clicking, it needs to be well coached and both Roos and Goody need to take a fair bit if credit here

With Carlton and Bolton I don't have the same confidence and IMO Carlton are very poorly coached, they win clearances however have 8 players behind the ball so when they win it forward it just comes back quickly the other way, it's insane

Even Brisbane has gone past them and Fagan has achieved this is less time than Bolton

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[Crouch#44]

I say let McGoven go even for a late 1st round pick. This could be the off season his value is at it's highest.

I say this because player movement's of the "BIG FISH" variety will be very busy next year.

Grab a draft pick, play himmelburg and prepare for a 2019 prize winning Bass

Losing Gov wont effect us as bad as it feels.

 

[mickfaxis]

I say let McGoven go even for a late 1st round pick. This could be the off season his value is at it's highest.

I say this because player movement's of the "BIG FISH" variety will be very busy next year.

Grab a draft pick, play himmelburg and prepare for a 2019 prize winning Bass

Losing Gov wont effect us as bad as it feels.

You are clutching at straws to think that a 'big fish' / 'bass' / 'king tuna' would have any interest in coming to the AFC.

We are not a destination club. Best 22 players leave every year. What makes you think an A grade player would nominate Adelaide? And no Gibbs doesn't count as a big fish as he's come to us at the end of his career.

With a new player wanting out of their club almost every day, it's not like our football department are falling over themselves trying to deals for them as not one is at all linked to us. Hell...Brisbane have become more of a destination club than we have in the last 24 months!

Can't see how this changes next year...even with an extra first rounder in 2019.

 

[headache1]

Maybe we could ask CARL Management for their view ?

Or Hawthorn's. A couple of top end picks combined with good drafting, recruiting and development across the board worked out okay for them.

The argument that we don't need top picks to find good players can also be used to support going all out for one year to access top end talent that also happens to be from SA. If the club can find and develop good players through other avenues next year and the years beyond, then why not?

 

[Thetrader15]

How many rebuilds have we done .....how many top 5 players have we had ?

Dangerfield, Goodwin, Rutten, Sloane, Mackay ......all have shown, we don't need Top 5 picks, or even Top 10 picks

But it certainly makes it easier...Roughead, Hodge, Franklin, Lewis

 

[Vhaluus]

As I said I think its at least worth thinking about it. I dont think you can dismiss it , as ww did , by pointing to those teams that fail to develop etc.

You look at Richmond last year, and I was as guilty as everybody else , and nobody picks them to win. They did it on the back of Dusty (3), Reiwoldt (13) , Houli (42) and Rance (18) , Cotchin (2)

Dusty and Cotchin are their only 2 top 5 players to play in the GF. Dustin got the Norm and Cotchin 21 disposals. Do Richmond win that game without the 2 of them? I dont know .

I'm not saying top 5 picks guarantee you a Premiership but gee it would be nice to find out over the next few years

This question is a joke right?

They dont even make finals let alone the grand final without dusty last year. He won them enough games on his own to make the difference between top 4 and ninethmond

He won a norm smith premiership and brownlow all in the same year in what a decade from now will be considered one of the best seasons from a player of this era

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Or Hawthorn's. A couple of top end picks combined with good drafting, recruiting and development across the board worked out okay for them.

The argument that we don't need top picks to find good players can also be used to support going all out for one year to access top end talent that also happens to be from SA. If the club can find and develop good players through other avenues next year and the years beyond, then why not?

Oh i agree ....the point is Draft Picks in isolation is not the answer (CAR, MEL, BRIS) .....would i love Luko, Rankine, Rozzee, King ......I'll be absolutely hysterically happy

 

[Crouch#44]

You are clutching at straws to think that a 'big fish' / 'bass' / 'king tuna' would have any interest in coming to the AFC.

We are not a destination club. Best 22 players leave every year. What makes you think an A grade player would nominate Adelaide? And no Gibbs doesn't count as a big fish as he's come to us at the end of his career.

With a new player wanting out of their club almost every day, it's not like our football department are falling over themselves trying to deals for them as not one is at all linked to us. Hell...Brisbane have become more of a destination club than we have in the last 24 months!

Can't see how this changes next year...even with an extra first rounder in 2019.

2019 We wont have MM & will lose a couple vets. We should have the money to shop!

Yes clearly we are not a destination club i get that BUT my point is:

Lose Mcgovern and our 2019 playing list is still good enough to win a flag

Our 2020 playing list will look grim with contracts expiring hence we will NEED a big 2019 off season

Let him walk now, he will only be a hassle later on

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But it certainly makes it easier...Roughead, Hodge, Franklin, Lewis

It's interesting .....HAW & GEE got one Draft nailed, with 4-5 stalwart players .....just nail one draft & it can set you up for a decade

 

[Vhaluus]

Oh i agree ....the point is Draft Picks in isolation is not the answer (CAR, MEL, BRIS) .....would i love Luko, Rankine, Rozzee, King ......I'll be absolutely hysterically happy

Brisbane will push for top 8 next year. Melbourne are a small premiership chance this year.

Hawks created a dynasty off draft picks to counter the carlton example

 

[Mego Red]

If a deal like Barrett has suggested was done, there would have to be Tippett like scandalous cary on happening behind the scenes. Unless we have something to hide and want it to slip through to the keeper undetected, his trade valuation is laughable. I don’t thnk we have anything to hide, so can’t see that happening. ATM, I can’t see how a trade with Carlton happens at all.

Well, McGovern has only had about five or six good games. If he was uncontracted, an early second would be about right.

 

[Crouch#44]

Brisbane will push for top 8 next year. Melbourne are a small premiership chance this year.

Hawks created a dynasty off draft picks to counter the carlton example

Send McGovern to Brisbane. Better to deal with than carlton

 

[Mego Red]

And yet some can point to our lack of ultimate success as an indication of not having top 5s

I'm not sold but its worth considering

Which clubs have had the most early picks, and are they the most successful?

 

[Vhaluus]

Send McGovern to Brisbane. Better to deal with than carlton

And as we know noble likes to overpay.

Brisbane well stocked on key forwards after investing very heavily in that area with first round picks.

Only way bris want mcgovern would be to turn him into a defender but i suspect gov wants to stay a forward.

 

[conVINCEd]

I say let McGoven go even for a late 1st round pick. This could be the off season his value is at it's highest.

I say this because player movement's of the "BIG FISH" variety will be very busy next year.

Screw the dreaming of landing a player who wouldn’t be on our list til 2020.

We’re trying to win a premiership NOW.

 

[conVINCEd]

Brisbane well stocked on key forwards after investing very heavily in that area with first round picks.

Only way bris want mcgovern would be to turn him into a defender but i suspect gov wants to stay a forward.

Realy? Who have that got apart from Hipwood?

 

[Crouch#44]

And as we know noble likes to overpay.

Brisbane well stocked on key forwards after investing very heavily in that area with first round picks.

Only way bris want mcgovern would be to turn him into a defender but i suspect gov wants to stay a forward.

Are you telling me McGovern knows what he wants?