Mitch McGovern (please read OP)

[Mego Red]

Well let’s forget about Carlton for a few more years and look to the other laughing stock Melbourne. We thought they would continue on their losing ways but finally it’s clicked and with their high draft picks have finally rocketed up into premiership contention.
We know we can’t compete with their stacked midfield.

They've had 20 years of high picks.

Would you be happy with 20 years of being a laughing stock?

And obviously just adding picks doesn't change things, otherwise they would have rocketed up the ladder 20 years ago.

Sydney hasn't needed them. Hawthorn got two picks 15 years ago and didn't need much since.

 

[Thetrader15]

Which clubs have had the most early picks, and are they the most successful?

You need ro throw f/s in as well, but drafting is no good if you can't develop (eg port)

 

[Vhaluus]

They've had 20 years of high picks.

Would you be happy with 20 years of being a laughing stock?

And obviously just adding picks doesn't change things, otherwise they would have rocketed up the ladder 20 years ago.

Sydney hasn't needed them. Hawthorn got two picks 15 years ago and didn't need much since.

Sydney had cola and now acadamies.

Geelong had the broken original father son rule.

 

[Crouch#44]

Screw the dreaming of landing a player who wouldn’t be on our list til 2020.

We’re trying to win a premiership NOW.

Well do 90% of BF posters who think a top 5 draft pick for McGovern will be good for next year?

Goodluck to that 90% if they do

Losing McGovern this off season will highly unlikely give us anything in return to assist our 2019 campaign.

Gotta look beyond end of story

 

[Cleric]

2019 We wont have MM & will lose a couple vets. We should have the money to shop!

Yes clearly we are not a destination club i get that BUT my point is:

Lose Mcgovern and our 2019 playing list is still good enough to win a flag

Our 2020 playing list will look grim with contracts expiring hence we will NEED a big 2019 off season

Let him walk now, he will only be a hassle later on

Do you follow AFC at all? We lost Danger, Lever, Tippett and still didnt have any money to shop. We have three warchests sitting waiting to be used....

 

[Mego Red]

Brisbane will push for top 8 next year. Melbourne are a small premiership chance this year.

Hawks created a dynasty off draft picks to counter the carlton example

Hawks got two early picks, under a model that doesn't exist any more. It would be like comparing us to Geelong getting Ablett in the third round as a father son. It doesn't exist.

The amazing thing about Hawthorn is how aggressively they've traded picks AWAY.

Brisbane have had a dozen years of being shit. They may push up next year. More likely is closer to nine wins, but who knows - Essendon and the Crows will probably both be in the 8, and Brisbane might get there too. It seems like a few finalists are on their way out.

Bottoming out will take more than a decade. Without the option of multiple priority picks, you can't rebuild quickly through low picks. Freo, St Kilda, Melbourne, Carlton, Brisbane, GCS - there's a lot of evidence of how slow and difficult a bottoming out can be.

 

[Crouch#44]

Do you follow AFC at all? We lost Danger, Lever, Tippett and still didnt have any money to shop. We have three warchests sitting waiting to be used....

And we had

MCrouch, Doedee & Jenkins all step up.

For the cost of each I woukd be happy with their output

Now please tell me other than gibbs or Polec any failed attemps of trying to get a decent player?

I honestly dont think we have tried that hard

 

[Kenny Dee]

And we had

MCrouch, Doedee & Jenkins all step up.

For the cost of each I woukd be happy with their output

Now please tell me other than gibbs or Polec any failed attemps of trying to get a decent player?

I honestly dont think we have tried that hard

Luke Parker? Did we try for him a few years back?

 

[Pea Nut]

Realy? Who have that got apart from Hipwood?

I've read similar posts on this board numerous times and also questioned them every single time. Brisbane are overstocked with quality midfielders/half forwards/half backs. Quality key position players is exactly what they need. They have Hipwood and Andrews and not much else. This year they played Josh Walker in defense, McStay as a second forward target and Mcinerney came in and played as a second ruckman/key forward. That's not a lot to get excited about in key position stocks.

 

[jackster83]

If we're serious about challenging for a flag next year, we tell McGovern he is going nowhere and don't even bother starting trade discussions. If he has a good year his value will only increase (will still be contracted), but if he plays shit/gets injured then he will have proven himself too unreliable and should be moved on anyway.

 

[crowsup]

If we're serious about challenging for a flag next year, we tell McGovern he is going nowhere and don't even bother starting trade discussions. If he has a good year his value will only increase (will still be contracted), but if he plays shit/gets injured then he will have proven himself too unreliable and should be moved on anyway.

This is exactly what I would do.
I don't understand how some people here value MM so low. Last year just about everyone was saying How good he's going to be and how much we missed him in the GF. Now all at once, he's worth less than CC. Do people believe that a late first round or early second round pick would be offered more than $750k/y? Because that is what other teams are valuing him at.

 

[craig crowing]

If we're serious about challenging for a flag next year, we tell McGovern he is going nowhere and don't even bother starting trade discussions. If he has a good year his value will only increase (will still be contracted), but if he plays shit/gets injured then he will have proven himself too unreliable and should be moved on anyway.

Yes great post as seems good tactics especially if we take that approach then someone this year might throw a ridiculous trade at us can't refuse this year.

 

[Crowked]

Well, McGovern has only had about five or six good games. If he was uncontracted, an early second would be about right.

But he’s not and they are into him.

They want a contracted player, they pay the premium. Barrett knows that. Carlton do too. He’s just being a twat.

 

[Thetrader15]

But he’s not and they are into him.

They want a contracted player, they pay the premium. Barrett knows that. Carlton do too. He’s just being a twat.

Barrett being a twat...who would have thought

 

[Cleric]

And we had

MCrouch, Doedee & Jenkins all step up.

For the cost of each I woukd be happy with their output

Now please tell me other than gibbs or Polec any failed attemps of trying to get a decent player?

I honestly dont think we have tried that hard

Motlop last year. Jeremy Cameron a few years ago. Plus all the ones we never heard about.

 

[Thetrader15]

Motlop last year. Jeremy Cameron a few years ago. Plus all the ones we never heard about.

Add Lachie Neale to the list too

However, we have been too busy trying to keep the players we have to worry about getting new ones in

 

[jenny61_99]

I don't think he watches much AFL judging from some of the shit he says.

It always astounds me how some of these blokes who put themselves forward as "experts" of the game, often have the temerity to say "I haven't seen a lot of [insert Interstate club name here], but" and then go on with an "in-depth analysis" of strengths and weaknesses of a team they haven't "seen a lot of this year". **** me... it's your bloody JOB! You should be watching EVERY bloody game. Or at the very least, highlights of every bloody game. Make a fricken effort!

 

[hey shorty]

Well do 90% of BF posters who think a top 5 draft pick for McGovern will be good for next year?

Goodluck to that 90% if they do

Losing McGovern this off season will highly unlikely give us anything in return to assist our 2019 campaign.

Gotta look beyond end of story

If Gov can net us Rankine I think he would contribute just as much.

Lukosius perhaps not, as we probably wouldn't have a spot for him for the next year to 18 months.

 

[Mego Red]

But he’s not and they are into him.

They want a contracted player, they pay the premium. Barrett knows that. Carlton do too. He’s just being a twat.

Yeah, I agree with that. This whole idea that contracted players should be traded for their out of contract value is ridiculous.

 

[Mego Red]

Add Lachie Neale to the list too

However, we have been too busy trying to keep the players we have to worry about getting new ones in

When were we into Neale?

Cameron, sure. But Neale was never a fantastic fit as we always had players of his type. I never really felt like we rated him.

 

[Crows#1]

Push Carlton hard, and hold out for their best offer, just as they did with Gibbs. And if we end up keeping McGovern, it's not the end of the world. If he sooks too much, or underperforms, play him in the SANFL.

 

[Thetrader15]

When were we into Neale?

Cameron, sure. But Neale was never a fantastic fit as we always had players of his type. I never really felt like we rated him.

By all (BF) reports we were into him a couple of years ago before he resigned

 

[FAITH]

Gov hasn't nominated anyone yet right?

Seems to be waiting on swans/Maggies/Hawks.

 

[Crouch#44]

Gov hasn't nominated anyone yet right?

Seems to be waiting on swans/Maggies/Hawks.

True, not even a whisper though of any of these clubs biting

 

[Crows I Am]

But it certainly makes it easier...Roughead, Hodge, Franklin, Lewis

Same for Western Bulldogs with their top 5 picks - If you take out Bont, Stringer, Macrae and Boyd i'm pretty sure they wouldn't have got the win or even made the GF

Would be interesting to go through all the premiership teams from the last 10 years to see how many high draft picks they had playing.