List Mgmt. National & Rookie Draft 2021

[Lore]

Hey guys, thought you might like to have this resource on your board (scuse the intrusion!) – mods might like to sticky it so it's visible at the top of the thread

 

[bird_man]

Now how does that work?
Don’t the rules stipulate you can trade either the first, or the others, but not both?

You can't trade both of your future first and second.

You can trade a future first and then trade the 2nd the year of the draft though.

 

[Strahany]

edit: beaten to the punch by several. Sandra’d.

The rules only apply to future trading. You can trade either your future first (only) or any combination of future picks provided one of them isn’t the first (e.g 2nd and 4th). But because this only applies to future training, you are able to trade any other picks when that year’s trade period rolls around.

 

[sunny3193]

So in 2021, we can only trade either our 2022 1st rounder or our 2022 2nd and 3rd rounders.

But come 2022, we can trade any of the 2022 picks even if we have already traded some the year before.

You can't trade both of your future first and second.

You can trade a future first and then trade the 2nd the year of the draft though.

edit: beaten to the punch by several. Sandra’d.

The rules only apply to future trading. You can trade either your future first (only) or any combination of future picks provided one of them isn’t the first (e.g 2nd and 4th). But because this only applies to future training, you are able to trade any other picks when that year’s trade period rolls around.

Many thanks.

 

[stfan]

It’s less than 2 weeks since we inherited the title of the competition’s longest Premiership Drought.

As a long suffering Saints supporter (aren’t we all ) it warms the cockles of my heart to contemplate that other clubs, perhaps including the 2 most recent drought breakers, may be maneuvering themselves to prevent us obtaining the small benefit that we may get from securing our NGAs at a nice price.

Bless their cotton socks

Our recruiters would be incompetent if the deal we did to position the club to better be able to match for the NGA's was the same deal that would allow the Dees to nominate one of them.

So I assume the club will have had a conversation with the Dees about not using the pick for either of our NGA's.

If the Dees did use their new pick we would have ben better to have kept our pick 49 as it are locked out would be more likely to achieve a better player if we beaten to our player.


There are at least two dozen good players on offer and I would assume that the Dees will have some in mind for that pick whom they think will still be there.

 

[Savage Kent]

Nick Dal Santo just did a good job on trade radio saying our NGA’s need to put in a lot of work and have injury issues, that should stave some clubs off

I was the one who phoned in with the question. Thought at the time didn't sound like a good wrap but now makes sense to downplay both.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Idk although it’s rare some players improve their kicking techniques

1. Jobe Watson,

2. Jack crisp
I think with Mitch, his kicking can be worked but considering how strong the other parts of his game are mainly strength and power perhaps we can deal with it.

Apparently Choco’s the man. Maybe we can borrow him in the off season.
( Nobody mention Ben Dixon please.)

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Apparently Choco’s the man. Maybe we can borrow him in the off season.
( Nobody mention Ben Dixon please.)

Nah Melbourne need all the help they can get fixing Dunstan’s kicking. Back in Roughy to help with kicking. I know it was goal kicking but Max managed to turn it around and get a consistent technique

 

[Diehard Saint]

I think he was one of the playing group who destabilised Watter's coaching stint as they were still bitter at failing to win the GF and then Lyon walking out.

I think it was Watters who destabilised them actually. Sounds like he gave them no time or space to “grieve” at all and basically told them that not to win was a failure and not to celebrate even getting up there.

On 360 recently, Roo was talking about just how much it took out of the group emotionally - giving everything for those few years and walking away empty handed and then the coach basically walking out. We could see they were a shadow of themselves for a couple of years afterwards. Watters was probably the worst possible choice for that team at that time.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Might be good, might be bad. Hopefully it halts any last minute moves.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Might be good, might be bad. Hopefully it halts any last minute moves.

Someone post the ITS HAPPENING GIF

 

[botts]

Might be good, might be bad. Hopefully it halts any last minute moves.

The one good thing about Covid

 

[Remboy]

I think it was Watters who destabilised them actually. Sounds like he gave them no time or space to “grieve” at all and basically told them that not to win was a failure and not to celebrate even getting up there.

On 360 recently, Roo was talking about just how much it took out of the group emotionally - giving everything for those few years and walking away empty handed and then the coach basically walking out. We could see they were a shadow of themselves for a couple of years afterwards. Watters was probably the worst possible choice for that team at that time.

As a supporter I know I lost any interest in going to a game of football for 18 months after 2010. I did wonder how the players managed to get themselves up the following year.

 

[sammm]

I love dal. He still clearly loves the club and knows the kids. What time did he say that? Wouldn’t mind having a listen. On another note. Goddard is a dick

He is also working for the club.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

He is also working for the club.

probably got a memo from Ratten to stfu about the NGAs on air

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Draft prospect Sam Butler

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has strengthened his first-round claims by blitzing the Vic Country draft combine on Friday in Bendigo.

Butler, the brother of St Kilda goalsneak Dan, recorded the fastest 20m sprint time (2.970-seconds) and finished second in both the running and standing vertical jump tests.

A 184cm midfielder-forward, Butler shares his older brother’s speed and manic defensive pressure but has the scope to be used as a centre bounce midfielder, spending more time at the coalface for the GWV Rebels later in the season.

Rebels coach David Loader said his results, which prompted “a couple” of clubs to touch base about Butler, solidified an impressive season for the explosive talent.

This probably solidifies what Sam is capable of and puts a tick to the end of the season … It shores up that he’s a really nice player,” Loader told News Corp.

“I had fairly high expectations of Sam because I know how talented the boy he is.

“When he moved from playing forward into the midfield this year, he gave it a different look with his ability to break away from contested footy.

“(His) biggest positive is his versatility … I could see him playing footy at the next level in a number of different positions.”

Murray Bushrangers defender Tom Brown, the son of former Cat Paul and sister of Geelong AFLW gun Millie, was another standout on the testing day.

The 186cm defender pipped Butler by a centimetre to take out the standing vertical jump and finished third in the 20m sprint.

He has impressed with his intercepting ability and speed across five NAB League matches this season, but the talented prospect does not qualify for father-son status, with Paul playing 84 games for Geelong in the 90s.

Clearance specialist Mitch Knevitt finished second in the 2km trial trial and it was revealed on Thursday by the NAB League that he also recorded the second fastest 20m sprint time.

The hulking 193cm midfielder finished his Geelong Falcons season with a bang, generating 30 disposals, 14 contested possessions, six marks and a whopping 150 SuperCoach points per game across his last three matches.

Butler’s Rebels teammate Josh Gibcus also tested strongly with the 195cm intercept defender recording the top running vertical jump (89cm) and a 3.04-second 20m sprint.

However, the leading key-backman in the pool was unable to properly compete against his 95cm personal best, with weather conditions forcing the event to be conducted under cover.

He basically jumped over the height stick on the first one. It was done under a little awning due to the weather conditions,” Loader, who attended the testing day, explained.

“There was a support beam there and we were joking and said, ‘just hit that, because you’ll be hitting the roof.’”

“He’s got an incredible vertical leap, whether it’s standing still or getting a run at things.”

Bendigo Pioneers midfielder Cooper Hamilton showed off his elite endurance base with a time of 5:48 in the 2km time trial.

Jai Serong, brother of Fremantle Rising Star winner Caleb, finished third in the running vertical jump discipline.

Loader said potential top-five selection Ben Hobbs “didn’t set the world on fire” with his results but was solid across the board.

“Ben’s one of those athletes that is really competent at everything … Ben is just such a good, solid, reliable player. He’s a really safe bet I would have thought for the draft,” he said.

Seventeen prospects tested at the combine in total on Friday — nine of those from the Rebels program — with first-round hopeful Campbell Chesser a notable omission.

The Vic Metro combine will take place on Saturday.

VIC COUNTRY DRAFT COMBINE RESULTS

Find out the top three in every event

20m SPRINT (sec)

1. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 2.970
2. Mitch Knevitt (Geelong Falcons) 2.976*
3. Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers) 2.983
4. Kai Lohmann (GWV Rebels) 2.986

Knevitt’s 20m sprint time was not included in the initial results.

2km TIME TRIAL(min:sec)

1. Cooper Hamilton (Bendigo Pioneers) 5:48
2. Hamish Sinnott (GWV Rebels) 5:58
3. Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons) 6.18

STANDING VERTICAL JUMP (cm)

1. Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers) 72
2. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 71
3. Josh Gibcus (GWV Rebels) 68

RUNNING VERTICAL JUMP (cm)

1. Josh Gibcus (GWV Rebels) 89
2. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 87
3. Jai Serong (Gippsland Power) 86

*Due to inclement weather the jumps had to be conducted under an awning. Josh Gibcus jumped higher than the top of the yardstick/awning (his personal best is 95cm).

Will North make Pies pay up for Daicos?

• Marc McGowan

Opposition recruiters are tipping North Melbourne to next month make South Adelaide phenom Jason Horne-Francis the dux of this year’s AFL draft class.

The 2021 draft is one of the most fascinating in years, given two of the other top three prospects – Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy – are linked to Collingwood and Western Bulldogs, respectively, as father-son picks.

Only two of the 11 AFL recruiters the Herald Sun spoke to said they would place a bid on Daicos and/or Darcy at No.1, with both talent scouts rating Daicos the best player in it.

But most believed Horne-Francis’ blistering form throughout the SANFL finals, particularly his 24-disposal, three-goal, 11-clearance preliminary final effort, had shot him to the top.

Others struggled to split Horne-Francis and Daicos, including one saying not being able to watch the latter at the national championships or in an equivalent senior competition worked against him.

The feeling was Daicos was capable of similar performances if he had played in the SANFL.

Horne-Francis told the Herald Sun this week he had set himself the challenge of being the first picked, and several recruiters said he was the type of personality who would appreciate that honour.

This year’s scenario follows Adelaide bidding last year on the Bulldogs’ Next Generation Academy graduate Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at No.1 before grabbing South Australian Riley Thilthorpe after the Dogs matched.

The Crows’ decision owed to more than making the Western Bulldogs accountable.

Their intel suggested the Dogs shared an interest with them in small forward James Rowe later in the draft, so by placing a bid on Ugle-Hagan it forced them to use most of their draft points to match.

That meant the Bulldogs didn’t re-enter the draft until pick 55, with Adelaide selecting Rowe at No.38.

The Magpies are prepared to match any bid for Daicos, who has already agreed to a four-year contract rather than the usual two seasons for a national draftee.

There is a good chance the son of club great Peter Daicos and brother of current Collingwood footballer Josh will tumble to No.3 if, as expected, the Kangaroos select Horne-Francis first.

That would be a major win for the Pies, because they would have to use only 1787 draft points to match the bid rather than 2400 if North calls Daicos’ name No.1 overall.

Those points are after the 20 per cent, first-round discount is applied.

Collingwood has almost 1600 points from its draft hand of picks 36, 41, 43 and 48, but still has to broker trades for Patrick Lipinski

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Patrick Lipinski

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

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M/F

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Last 5

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18.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

18.3

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.3

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.2

4star

and Nathan Kreuger, who want to cross to the Magpies.

They can go into draft points deficit if required, but that would result in their first pick next year sliding down the order to compensate.

Collingwood traded its 2021 first-round pick to the Giants last year in anticipation of drafting Daicos, but the club’s tumble to 17th on the ladder was a shock.

GWS has the second pick from that deal and its national recruiting manager, Adrian Caruso, is on record saying he would likely bid on key-position talent Darcy before Daicos on a needs basis.

That same logic is why recruiters believe the Giants will target 200cm ruckman Mac Andrew or key defender Josh Gibcus rather than the next-best midfielder, Finn Callaghan.

Andrew came through Melbourne’s Next Generation Academy, but the Demons can’t match a bid on him unless he falls outside the first 20 picks, because of new rules introduced this year.

 

[Minga]

I was the one who phoned in with the question. Thought at the time didn't sound like a good wrap but now makes sense to downplay both.

Yeah nah I got that impression as well, I think they were about to go into an ad so it was done fairly quickly. Keep up the calls tho, always good to hear some saints content.

 

[hangdog]

Draft prospect Sam Butler has strengthened his first-round claims by blitzing the Vic Country draft combine on Friday in Bendigo.

Butler, the brother of St Kilda goalsneak Dan, recorded the fastest 20m sprint time (2.970-seconds) and finished second in both the running and standing vertical jump tests.

A 184cm midfielder-forward, Butler shares his older brother’s speed and manic defensive pressure but has the scope to be used as a centre bounce midfielder, spending more time at the coalface for the GWV Rebels later in the season.

Rebels coach David Loader said his results, which prompted “a couple” of clubs to touch base about Butler, solidified an impressive season for the explosive talent.

This probably solidifies what Sam is capable of and puts a tick to the end of the season … It shores up that he’s a really nice player,” Loader told News Corp.

“I had fairly high expectations of Sam because I know how talented the boy he is.

“When he moved from playing forward into the midfield this year, he gave it a different look with his ability to break away from contested footy.

“(His) biggest positive is his versatility … I could see him playing footy at the next level in a number of different positions.”

Murray Bushrangers defender Tom Brown, the son of former Cat Paul and sister of Geelong AFLW gun Millie, was another standout on the testing day.

The 186cm defender pipped Butler by a centimetre to take out the standing vertical jump and finished third in the 20m sprint.

He has impressed with his intercepting ability and speed across five NAB League matches this season, but the talented prospect does not qualify for father-son status, with Paul playing 84 games for Geelong in the 90s.

Clearance specialist Mitch Knevitt finished second in the 2km trial trial and it was revealed on Thursday by the NAB League that he also recorded the second fastest 20m sprint time.

The hulking 193cm midfielder finished his Geelong Falcons season with a bang, generating 30 disposals, 14 contested possessions, six marks and a whopping 150 SuperCoach points per game across his last three matches.

Butler’s Rebels teammate Josh Gibcus also tested strongly with the 195cm intercept defender recording the top running vertical jump (89cm) and a 3.04-second 20m sprint.

However, the leading key-backman in the pool was unable to properly compete against his 95cm personal best, with weather conditions forcing the event to be conducted under cover.

He basically jumped over the height stick on the first one. It was done under a little awning due to the weather conditions,” Loader, who attended the testing day, explained.

“There was a support beam there and we were joking and said, ‘just hit that, because you’ll be hitting the roof.’”

“He’s got an incredible vertical leap, whether it’s standing still or getting a run at things.”

Bendigo Pioneers midfielder Cooper Hamilton showed off his elite endurance base with a time of 5:48 in the 2km time trial.

Jai Serong, brother of Fremantle Rising Star winner Caleb, finished third in the running vertical jump discipline.

Loader said potential top-five selection Ben Hobbs “didn’t set the world on fire” with his results but was solid across the board.

“Ben’s one of those athletes that is really competent at everything … Ben is just such a good, solid, reliable player. He’s a really safe bet I would have thought for the draft,” he said.

Seventeen prospects tested at the combine in total on Friday — nine of those from the Rebels program — with first-round hopeful Campbell Chesser a notable omission.

The Vic Metro combine will take place on Saturday.

VIC COUNTRY DRAFT COMBINE RESULTS

Find out the top three in every event

20m SPRINT (sec)

1. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 2.970
2. Mitch Knevitt (Geelong Falcons) 2.976*
3. Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers) 2.983
4. Kai Lohmann (GWV Rebels) 2.986

Knevitt’s 20m sprint time was not included in the initial results.

2km TIME TRIAL(min:sec)

1. Cooper Hamilton (Bendigo Pioneers) 5:48
2. Hamish Sinnott (GWV Rebels) 5:58
3. Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons) 6.18

STANDING VERTICAL JUMP (cm)

1. Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers) 72
2. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 71
3. Josh Gibcus (GWV Rebels) 68

RUNNING VERTICAL JUMP (cm)

1. Josh Gibcus (GWV Rebels) 89
2. Sam Butler (GWV Rebels) 87
3. Jai Serong (Gippsland Power) 86

*Due to inclement weather the jumps had to be conducted under an awning. Josh Gibcus jumped higher than the top of the yardstick/awning (his personal best is 95cm).

Will North make Pies pay up for Daicos?

• Marc McGowan

Opposition recruiters are tipping North Melbourne to next month make South Adelaide phenom Jason Horne-Francis the dux of this year’s AFL draft class.

The 2021 draft is one of the most fascinating in years, given two of the other top three prospects – Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy – are linked to Collingwood and Western Bulldogs, respectively, as father-son picks.

Only two of the 11 AFL recruiters the Herald Sun spoke to said they would place a bid on Daicos and/or Darcy at No.1, with both talent scouts rating Daicos the best player in it.

But most believed Horne-Francis’ blistering form throughout the SANFL finals, particularly his 24-disposal, three-goal, 11-clearance preliminary final effort, had shot him to the top.

Others struggled to split Horne-Francis and Daicos, including one saying not being able to watch the latter at the national championships or in an equivalent senior competition worked against him.

The feeling was Daicos was capable of similar performances if he had played in the SANFL.

Horne-Francis told the Herald Sun this week he had set himself the challenge of being the first picked, and several recruiters said he was the type of personality who would appreciate that honour.

This year’s scenario follows Adelaide bidding last year on the Bulldogs’ Next Generation Academy graduate Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at No.1 before grabbing South Australian Riley Thilthorpe after the Dogs matched.

The Crows’ decision owed to more than making the Western Bulldogs accountable.

Their intel suggested the Dogs shared an interest with them in small forward James Rowe later in the draft, so by placing a bid on Ugle-Hagan it forced them to use most of their draft points to match.

That meant the Bulldogs didn’t re-enter the draft until pick 55, with Adelaide selecting Rowe at No.38.

The Magpies are prepared to match any bid for Daicos, who has already agreed to a four-year contract rather than the usual two seasons for a national draftee.

There is a good chance the son of club great Peter Daicos and brother of current Collingwood footballer Josh will tumble to No.3 if, as expected, the Kangaroos select Horne-Francis first.

That would be a major win for the Pies, because they would have to use only 1787 draft points to match the bid rather than 2400 if North calls Daicos’ name No.1 overall.

Those points are after the 20 per cent, first-round discount is applied.

Collingwood has almost 1600 points from its draft hand of picks 36, 41, 43 and 48, but still has to broker trades for Patrick Lipinski and Nathan Kreuger, who want to cross to the Magpies.

They can go into draft points deficit if required, but that would result in their first pick next year sliding down the order to compensate.

Collingwood traded its 2021 first-round pick to the Giants last year in anticipation of drafting Daicos, but the club’s tumble to 17th on the ladder was a shock.

GWS has the second pick from that deal and its national recruiting manager, Adrian Caruso, is on record saying he would likely bid on key-position talent Darcy before Daicos on a needs basis.

That same logic is why recruiters believe the Giants will target 200cm ruckman Mac Andrew or key defender Josh Gibcus rather than the next-best midfielder, Finn Callaghan.

Andrew came through Melbourne’s Next Generation Academy, but the Demons can’t match a bid on him unless he falls outside the first 20 picks, because of new rules introduced this year.

Reckon we could get both Knevitt and Butler with Brisbane's picks if we did a swap. Both explosive, Knevitt a ball winner, Butler versatile. Want.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Might be good, might be bad. Hopefully it halts any last minute moves.

 

[Teflon]

Geezus it’s a slow period...

 

[austinnn]

Knevitt hasn't been talked about much on this board, seems exactly what we need on the face of it.

Whats the knock on him compared to oft raved about faves like Ward Sonsie Sinn Chesser etc?

 

[botts]

Mitch knevitt pick 9. Got the bont clone written all over him.

Knevitt hasn't been talked about much on this board, seems exactly what we need on the face of it.

Whats the knock on him compared to oft raved about faves like Ward Sonsie Sinn Chesser etc?

late riser. Not sure if he played any Vic country footy. He had some absolute dominate nab games though. Reckon he will be a steal if he falls late 20s

 

[austinnn]

Mitch knevitt pick 9. Got the bont clone written all over him.

late riser. Not sure if he played any Vic country footy. He had some absolute dominate nab games though. Reckon he will be a steal if he falls late 20s

How's his disposal?

 

[botts]

How's his disposal?

Think he uses it well. Havnt heard any knocks on it

 

[CaptainRisky]

Mitch knevitt pick 9. Got the bont clone written all over him.

late riser. Not sure if he played any Vic country footy. He had some absolute dominate nab games though. Reckon he will be a steal if he falls late 20s

He sounds good , shame we have bugger all picks

 

[pebblesofsand]

He sounds good , shame we have bugger all picks

This is the reason why we should be looking at a Pick swap to get two in the teens.

Not sure if whoever we get at Pick 9 will be so much better than two from the late teens.