New Zealand v South Africa (2 Tests)

[NYRB]

The old school test batsmen that know to bat time and accumulate a long test innings a dying breed unfortunately.

And thats where T20 cricket has revolutionsed test cricket , to the haters or lovers of some or people who dont have the patience for it.

Scoring and surviving a day used to be the norm. These days scoring at 4-6 runs per over in a days play is the new motto mindset of test batters that have started or grew up in T20 cricket.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Williamson officially a better test batsman now than Smith, Ponting and Tendulkar.

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Don't get me wrong, clearly a quality player but NZ do get to play the minnows a hell of a lot compared to India and Australia.

Williamson against the Big 3

Australia - Average of 41.12
England - Average of 36.85
India - Average of 37.87

13 x 100's v Bangladesh, Windies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe + you can add the 3 against South Africa D side... that's 16 100's v minnows.

Smith only has 5.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Don't get me wrong, clearly a quality player but NZ do get to play the minnows a hell of a lot compared to India and Australia.

Williamson against the Big 3

Australia - Average of 41.12
England - Average of 36.85
India - Average of 37.87

13 x 100's v Bangladesh, Windies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe + you can add the 3 against South Africa D side... that's 16 100's v minnows.

Smith only has 5.

Smith doesn't have to play Australia though.

And playing an opponent so much might help become more familiar with their bowlers?

 

[Around the Wicket]

Smith doesn't have to play Australia though.

And playing an opponent so much might help become more familiar with their bowlers?

However you look at it there is no shying from the fact NZ play weak opponents often, not there fault they don't get a fair shake but its fact.. even the away record against the big 3 are shockingly bad for Williamson.

in England - Average of 30.53
in Australia - Average of 42.85
in India - Average of 33.53

Williamson is a GOAT minnow basher.

 

[Freezin]

NZ after their "historic" series victory over SA....surely means they go into the Aust v NZ series very very warm favourites....TBH SA were only missing Rabada, Nortje, Jansen and Coetzee from their bowling attack.....

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

However you look at it there is no shying from the fact NZ play weak opponents often, not there fault they don't get a fair shake but its fact.. even the away record against the big 3 are shockingly bad for Williamson.

in England - Average of 30.53
in Australia - Average of 42.85
in India - Average of 33.53

Williamson is a GOAT minnow basher.

Sure mate, OK

 

[Plugger35]

Don't get me wrong, clearly a quality player but NZ do get to play the minnows a hell of a lot compared to India and Australia.

Williamson against the Big 3

Australia - Average of 41.12
England - Average of 36.85
India - Average of 37.87

13 x 100's v Bangladesh, Windies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe + you can add the 3 against South Africa D side... that's 16 100's v minnows.

Smith only has 5.

However you look at it there is no shying from the fact NZ play weak opponents often, not there fault they don't get a fair shake but its fact.. even the away record against the big 3 are shockingly bad for Williamson.

in England - Average of 30.53
in Australia - Average of 42.85
in India - Average of 33.53

Williamson is a GOAT minnow basher.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Playing minnows on home soil every year is a obvious advantage... I'll now get out haha.

 

[western royboy]

And thats where T20 cricket has revolutionsed test cricket , to the haters or lovers of some or people who dont have the patience for it.

Scoring and surviving a day used to be the norm. These days scoring at 4-6 runs per over in a days play is the new motto mindset of test batters that have started or grew up in T20 cricket.

Look at our domestic cricket - unless it’s a road they don’t make runs

 

[NYRB]

Look at our domestic cricket - unless it’s a road they don’t make runs

Whats a decent set of shield runs in a season to knock on the door of selection to the Australian team?

Current season (im assuming that includes todays matches):



If I stand to be corrected in the past, you needed a good solid 900 to 1000 runs or more to be knocking on the door. Not sure if its me but those numbers seem a lot lower by inspection.

 

[western royboy]

Whats a decent set of shield runs in a season to knock on the door of selection to the Australian team?

Current season (im assuming that includes todays matches):

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If I stand to be corrected in the past, you needed a good solid 900 to 1000 runs or more to be knocking on the door. Not sure if its me but those numbers seem a lot lower by inspection.

Plenty of blokes made back to back seasons of 900+ and never got a look in.

I will add the season was played primarily in Summer, this doesn’t happen anymore due to BBL knocking out December & January in which you’d expect to see sone flat tracks

 

[Santana]

Damn, Williamson churning out hundreds for fun lately - that's 7 now from his last 12 innings.

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6 of these against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and South Africa's C side at home. Really knows how to fill his boots against the pop gun attacks, got to give him that.

Nice of SA to gift the Black Caps their t20 rejects so the Kiwis could get that monkey off their back

 

[yabsy]

6 of these against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and South Africa's C side at home. Really knows how to fill his boots against the pop gun attacks, got to give him that.

Nice of SA to gift the Black Caps their t20 rejects so the Kiwis could get that monkey off their back

Yeah I know, just thought I'd let others bring up the 'asterisks'

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[KiwiRoo]

Smith doesn't have to play Australia though.

And playing an opponent so much might help become more familiar with their bowlers?

Smith doesn't get to bat against the Aussie bowlers and also gets to bat on the flattest tracks in the world in Aussie. Ball rarely swings or seams like it does in NZ

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Well if we're putting an asterisk next to player records better add

Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood

At least we can see when KW has been given these easy runs. Still to be determined how many wickets of theirs need a question mark.

 

[Sea fog]

However you look at it there is no shying from the fact NZ play weak opponents often, not there fault they don't get a fair shake but its fact.. even the away record against the big 3 are shockingly bad for Williamson.

in England - Average of 30.53
in Australia - Average of 42.85
in India - Average of 33.53

Williamson is a GOAT minnow basher.

Well he certainly dined out in this asterisk series. He bullied South Africa's third XI very expertly.

 

[Sea fog]

NZ after their "historic" series victory over SA....surely means they go into the Aust v NZ series very very warm favourites....TBH SA were only missing Rabada, Nortje, Jansen and Coetzee from their bowling attack.....

Agree but Maharaj is not the worst of all time.

 

[Sea fog]

NZ win by 7 wickets and we have finally won a test series against SA, a bit hollow though as it wasn't against their full strength team.

We will have a much tougher test against Australia in a couple of weeks time.

That's an understatement, none of their bowlers for instance would get a game in their full strength team. They had 8 test debutants in the first test in this series.

 

[Sea fog]

Well if we're putting an asterisk next to player records better add

Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood

At least we can see when KW has been given these easy runs. Still to be determined how many wickets of theirs need a question mark.

I guess you you compared this trio for instance to the likes of Lillee, there is no fair comparison regarding the respective batsmen they bowled to. Lillee bowled to much better Pakistani line-ups too. The other factor worth considering is that in past times bats put more value on their wicket. There was no such thing as T20 and techniques were often better.

 

[PhatBoy]

However you look at it there is no shying from the fact NZ play weak opponents often, not there fault they don't get a fair shake but its fact.. even the away record against the big 3 are shockingly bad for Williamson.

in England - Average of 30.53
in Australia - Average of 42.85
in India - Average of 33.53

Williamson is a GOAT minnow basher.

How is 42.8 in Australia ‘shockingly bad?

 

[Around the Wicket]

Smith doesn't get to bat against the Aussie bowlers and also gets to bat on the flattest tracks in the world in Aussie. Ball rarely swings or seams like it does in NZ

But unlike Williamson Smith averages solidly everywhere in the world. Williamson fills his boots against crap sides.

 

[Around the Wicket]

How is 42.8 in Australia ‘shockingly bad?

I wouldn't say its good.

 

[PhatBoy]

I wouldn't say its good.

It’s literally 2 points off Travis Head’s career average. It’s not shockingly bad is it.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

I guess you you compared this trio for instance to the likes of Lillee, there is no fair comparison regarding the respective batsmen they bowled to. Lillee bowled to much better Pakistani line-ups too. The other factor worth considering is that in past times bats put more value on their wicket. There was no such thing as T20 and techniques were often better.

I meant more they played in a team that was ball tampering, and we don't know long it was going on for.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

It’s literally 2 points off Travis Head’s career average. It’s not shockingly bad is it.

He's just trolling, I wouldn't bother.