List Mgmt. Next Generation Academy Discussion

[Hearts to hearts]

So does it just go back to how it was before, or is it somewhere in between?

 

[giantroo]

The lost drafts: Demons, Dockers biggest losers from NGA rule change as Dons clear winners​

Mac Andrew at Melbourne. Ryley Sanders at the Roos. Recruiters have been left ruing what could have been after the AFL’s call to restore next generation academy protection. We track the clubs who were robbed the most by the three years of open season.


Eyebrows were raised across the AFL recruiting landscape at the news all AFL clubs would be allowed access to their Next Generation Academy prospects after three drafts of open slather in the top 40.

Only four clubs – Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS – have had secured access to their NGA prospects in the past two drafts following uproar over the Western Bulldogs having priority access to the best talent in the 2020 draft by matching Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at pick 1.

It meant NGA prospects from 14 other clubs were up for grabs in the opening 40 selections, and cost several clubs highly-touted prospects, but clubs were able to match bids outside the top 40.

Six clubs lost highly-touted prospects to the open draft pool, while it looks like two clubs will come up as winners on draft night in November.

LOSERS​

North Melbourne – Ryley Sanders

The Kangaroos made several pitches to the AFL to have access to Sanders as part of its assistance package, which would have left them with picks 2, 3 and Sanders after trade week. However, they were knocked back and then took Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma with their first two picks of the draft, leaving the Western Bulldogs to pounce on the highly-touted Tasmanian – but the Roos can’t cry too much considering they did have two chances to select him.

Melbourne – Mac Andrew

Andrew was the first and most high-profile casualty of the changing rules, with the South Sudanese prospect whisked off to the Gold Coast with pick 5. Melbourne had believed they would have access to him the whole way through his development under regular NGA rules. Initially projecting as a ruckman, Andrew has blossomed into a key defender for the Suns over the past 18 months. Ironically, the NGA backflip means the Demons will have access to Mac’s brother Riak, who is shorter but has more speed. However, if the Demons had held onto Mac and matched a bid at Pick 5, they wouldn’t have brought in Jacob van Rooyen with pick 19.

St Kilda – Cam Mackenzie

London-born, French-speaking tall midfielder Mackenzie was quickly apparent as a first round prospect in 2022, meaning St Kilda would never be able to match a bid on its academy prospect. While there may have had faint hope Mackenzie would slide to the Saints’ first pick (which ended up at 10), Hawthorn nabbed him two picks earlier, leaving St Kilda with South Australian Mattaes Phillipou.


West Coast – Lance Collard

He has just been handed a six-game suspension for homophobic language, but that won’t stop Eagles fans from being annoyed they didn’t have access to the speedy small forward in last year’s draft. He ended up going to St Kilda, who used pick 20 on him. He’s played three games so far for St Kilda, debuting as the sub in Round 1 2024, but will miss the next six games at any level after using slurs against Williamstown players in the VFL.


Fremantle – Jesse Motlop and Mitch Edwards

Fremantle has been dudded out of two highly-touted NGA prospects over the past three seasons, with now Carlton forward Jesse Motlop and developing Geelong ruck Mitch Edwards two players who could be on the Dockers’ list. Motlop was one of the first victims of the change, being selected at pick 27 of the 2021 draft, and could have been a successor to Michael Walters

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up forward. He’s played 33 games for the Blues as part of a revolving door of small forwards, while the 206cm Edwards was taken with pick 32 in 2023 and is a long-term project ruckman.

Hawthorn – Tew Jiath

Hawthorn was within three picks of matching Tew Jiath – the brother of Changkuoth – before Collingwood swept in with pick 37 to take him off the board before the Hawks had the chance to match a bid.

Western Bulldogs – Luamon Lual

The Bulldogs may have secured access to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, but lost out in one of the cruellest manners on raw defender Luamon Lual. Adrian Dodoro and the Bombers swooped with pick 39 to pluck the dashing half-back, just one pick before the Dogs would have been able to match a bid.

WINNERS​

Essendon: Isaac Kako

The Bombers are the huge winners out of the changes, with possible top 10 pick Isaac Kako now likely wearing red and black next year. Touted as a similar – if not better – small forward to Hawthorn’s Nick Watson, he perfectly fills the biggest void in the Bombers’ side. A huge coup for the red and black, who now can trade back and load up for the 2025 draft pending changes to the bidding system.

West Coast: Malakai Champion

Champion was looking like Western Australia’s highest prospect in the draft before the rise of Bo Allan in the National Championships, but Champion is still one of WA’s brightest prospects as a damaging player forward of centre. Certainly not expected to be a first-round prospect, but Champion would have been on the edge of the top 40 picks, but it will save the Eagles running through lots of scenarios to figure out how to use their picks.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

LOSERS​

North Melbourne – Ryley Sanders

The Kangaroos made several pitches to the AFL to have access to Sanders as part of its assistance package, which would have left them with picks 2, 3 and Sanders after trade week. However, they were knocked back and then took Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma with their first two picks of the draft, leaving the Western Bulldogs to pounce on the highly-touted Tasmanian – but the Roos can’t cry too much considering they did have two chances to select him.

What a garbage take. The net benefit of the NGA, especially for first round picks is that it allows you to get ahead of the bids and select additional highly rated prospects or trade out of the round to maximise the value you receive from the NGA pick.

Essendon essentially get a free first round talent player for the cost of a few later picks.

 

[shinboner magic]

What a garbage take. The net benefit of the NGA, especially for first round picks is that it allows you to get ahead of the bids and select additional highly rated prospects or trade out of the round to maximise the value you receive from the NGA pick.

Essendon essentially get a free first round talent player for the cost of a few later picks.

Thought they were bringing in that you need to match with a pick in the same round

 

[Passmore]

What a garbage take. The net benefit of the NGA, especially for first round picks is that it allows you to get ahead of the bids and select additional highly rated prospects or trade out of the round to maximise the value you receive from the NGA pick.

Essendon essentially get a free first round talent player for the cost of a few later picks.

What’s the latest with the matching process? Club’s were cutting up about proposed changes a while back.

The problem with NGA’s and FS has always been the ability to pay with junk picks. That needs to stop. You shouldn’t be able to double dip in the first round unless you have first round picks to pay with.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Thought they were bringing in that you need to match with a pick in the same round

What’s the latest with the matching process? Club’s were cutting up about proposed changes a while back.

The problem with NGA’s and FS has always been the ability to pay with junk picks. That needs to stop. You shouldn’t be able to double dip in the first round unless you have first round picks to pay with.

Clubs like Carlton and GC complained about it because they had already tailored their draft strategy because they knew they had F/S's and Academy players available, so I don't think that is coming in this year. They'll be able to match with junk picks.

 

[So You Think]

What a garbage take. The net benefit of the NGA, especially for first round picks is that it allows you to get ahead of the bids and select additional highly rated prospects or trade out of the round to maximise the value you receive from the NGA pick.

Essendon essentially get a free first round talent player for the cost of a few later picks.

Late picks is what Sanders would have cost too.

 

[hilly]

Clubs like Carlton and GC complained about it because they had already tailored their draft strategy because they knew they had F/S's and Academy players available, so I don't think that is coming in this year. They'll be able to match with junk picks.

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[Only Forwards]

So does it just go back to how it was before, or is it somewhere in between?

The only constant will be change.

Which will occur frequently.

I my main gripe with this change though is I thought having an exclusion period was actually a good more equal thing.

 

[Luke72]

The lost drafts: Demons, Dockers biggest losers from NGA rule change as Dons clear winners​

Mac Andrew at Melbourne. Ryley Sanders at the Roos. Recruiters have been left ruing what could have been after the AFL’s call to restore next generation academy protection. We track the clubs who were robbed the most by the three years of open season.


Eyebrows were raised across the AFL recruiting landscape at the news all AFL clubs would be allowed access to their Next Generation Academy prospects after three drafts of open slather in the top 40.

Only four clubs – Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS – have had secured access to their NGA prospects in the past two drafts following uproar over the Western Bulldogs having priority access to the best talent in the 2020 draft by matching Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at pick 1.

It meant NGA prospects from 14 other clubs were up for grabs in the opening 40 selections, and cost several clubs highly-touted prospects, but clubs were able to match bids outside the top 40.

Six clubs lost highly-touted prospects to the open draft pool, while it looks like two clubs will come up as winners on draft night in November.

LOSERS​

North Melbourne – Ryley Sanders

The Kangaroos made several pitches to the AFL to have access to Sanders as part of its assistance package, which would have left them with picks 2, 3 and Sanders after trade week. However, they were knocked back and then took Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma with their first two picks of the draft, leaving the Western Bulldogs to pounce on the highly-touted Tasmanian – but the Roos can’t cry too much considering they did have two chances to select him.

Melbourne – Mac Andrew

Andrew was the first and most high-profile casualty of the changing rules, with the South Sudanese prospect whisked off to the Gold Coast with pick 5. Melbourne had believed they would have access to him the whole way through his development under regular NGA rules. Initially projecting as a ruckman, Andrew has blossomed into a key defender for the Suns over the past 18 months. Ironically, the NGA backflip means the Demons will have access to Mac’s brother Riak, who is shorter but has more speed. However, if the Demons had held onto Mac and matched a bid at Pick 5, they wouldn’t have brought in Jacob van Rooyen with pick 19.

St Kilda – Cam Mackenzie

London-born, French-speaking tall midfielder Mackenzie was quickly apparent as a first round prospect in 2022, meaning St Kilda would never be able to match a bid on its academy prospect. While there may have had faint hope Mackenzie would slide to the Saints’ first pick (which ended up at 10), Hawthorn nabbed him two picks earlier, leaving St Kilda with South Australian Mattaes Phillipou.


West Coast – Lance Collard

He has just been handed a six-game suspension for homophobic language, but that won’t stop Eagles fans from being annoyed they didn’t have access to the speedy small forward in last year’s draft. He ended up going to St Kilda, who used pick 20 on him. He’s played three games so far for St Kilda, debuting as the sub in Round 1 2024, but will miss the next six games at any level after using slurs against Williamstown players in the VFL.


Fremantle – Jesse Motlop and Mitch Edwards

Fremantle has been dudded out of two highly-touted NGA prospects over the past three seasons, with now Carlton forward Jesse Motlop and developing Geelong ruck Mitch Edwards two players who could be on the Dockers’ list. Motlop was one of the first victims of the change, being selected at pick 27 of the 2021 draft, and could have been a successor to Michael Walters up forward. He’s played 33 games for the Blues as part of a revolving door of small forwards, while the 206cm Edwards was taken with pick 32 in 2023 and is a long-term project ruckman.

Hawthorn – Tew Jiath

Hawthorn was within three picks of matching Tew Jiath – the brother of Changkuoth – before Collingwood swept in with pick 37 to take him off the board before the Hawks had the chance to match a bid.

Western Bulldogs – Luamon Lual

The Bulldogs may have secured access to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, but lost out in one of the cruellest manners on raw defender Luamon Lual. Adrian Dodoro and the Bombers swooped with pick 39 to pluck the dashing half-back, just one pick before the Dogs would have been able to match a bid.

WINNERS​

Essendon: Isaac Kako

The Bombers are the huge winners out of the changes, with possible top 10 pick Isaac Kako now likely wearing red and black next year. Touted as a similar – if not better – small forward to Hawthorn’s Nick Watson, he perfectly fills the biggest void in the Bombers’ side. A huge coup for the red and black, who now can trade back and load up for the 2025 draft pending changes to the bidding system.

West Coast: Malakai Champion

Champion was looking like Western Australia’s highest prospect in the draft before the rise of Bo Allan in the National Championships, but Champion is still one of WA’s brightest prospects as a damaging player forward of centre. Certainly not expected to be a first-round prospect, but Champion would have been on the edge of the top 40 picks, but it will save the Eagles running through lots of scenarios to figure out how to use their picks.

What a horrible take! We miss out on a pick 5 but aren’t as unlucky as the Bulldogs who missed out on a pick 39!! Righto

 

[Roostorm]

The lost drafts: Demons, Dockers biggest losers from NGA rule change as Dons clear winners​

Mac Andrew at Melbourne. Ryley Sanders at the Roos. Recruiters have been left ruing what could have been after the AFL’s call to restore next generation academy protection. We track the clubs who were robbed the most by the three years of open season.


Eyebrows were raised across the AFL recruiting landscape at the news all AFL clubs would be allowed access to their Next Generation Academy prospects after three drafts of open slather in the top 40.

Only four clubs – Gold Coast, Brisbane, Sydney and GWS – have had secured access to their NGA prospects in the past two drafts following uproar over the Western Bulldogs having priority access to the best talent in the 2020 draft by matching Jamarra Ugle-Hagan at pick 1.

It meant NGA prospects from 14 other clubs were up for grabs in the opening 40 selections, and cost several clubs highly-touted prospects, but clubs were able to match bids outside the top 40.

Six clubs lost highly-touted prospects to the open draft pool, while it looks like two clubs will come up as winners on draft night in November.

LOSERS​

North Melbourne – Ryley Sanders

The Kangaroos made several pitches to the AFL to have access to Sanders as part of its assistance package, which would have left them with picks 2, 3 and Sanders after trade week. However, they were knocked back and then took Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma with their first two picks of the draft, leaving the Western Bulldogs to pounce on the highly-touted Tasmanian – but the Roos can’t cry too much considering they did have two chances to select him.

Melbourne – Mac Andrew

Andrew was the first and most high-profile casualty of the changing rules, with the South Sudanese prospect whisked off to the Gold Coast with pick 5. Melbourne had believed they would have access to him the whole way through his development under regular NGA rules. Initially projecting as a ruckman, Andrew has blossomed into a key defender for the Suns over the past 18 months. Ironically, the NGA backflip means the Demons will have access to Mac’s brother Riak, who is shorter but has more speed. However, if the Demons had held onto Mac and matched a bid at Pick 5, they wouldn’t have brought in Jacob van Rooyen with pick 19.

St Kilda – Cam Mackenzie

London-born, French-speaking tall midfielder Mackenzie was quickly apparent as a first round prospect in 2022, meaning St Kilda would never be able to match a bid on its academy prospect. While there may have had faint hope Mackenzie would slide to the Saints’ first pick (which ended up at 10), Hawthorn nabbed him two picks earlier, leaving St Kilda with South Australian Mattaes Phillipou.


West Coast – Lance Collard

He has just been handed a six-game suspension for homophobic language, but that won’t stop Eagles fans from being annoyed they didn’t have access to the speedy small forward in last year’s draft. He ended up going to St Kilda, who used pick 20 on him. He’s played three games so far for St Kilda, debuting as the sub in Round 1 2024, but will miss the next six games at any level after using slurs against Williamstown players in the VFL.


Fremantle – Jesse Motlop and Mitch Edwards

Fremantle has been dudded out of two highly-touted NGA prospects over the past three seasons, with now Carlton forward Jesse Motlop and developing Geelong ruck Mitch Edwards two players who could be on the Dockers’ list. Motlop was one of the first victims of the change, being selected at pick 27 of the 2021 draft, and could have been a successor to Michael Walters up forward. He’s played 33 games for the Blues as part of a revolving door of small forwards, while the 206cm Edwards was taken with pick 32 in 2023 and is a long-term project ruckman.

Hawthorn – Tew Jiath

Hawthorn was within three picks of matching Tew Jiath – the brother of Changkuoth – before Collingwood swept in with pick 37 to take him off the board before the Hawks had the chance to match a bid.

Western Bulldogs – Luamon Lual

The Bulldogs may have secured access to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, but lost out in one of the cruellest manners on raw defender Luamon Lual. Adrian Dodoro and the Bombers swooped with pick 39 to pluck the dashing half-back, just one pick before the Dogs would have been able to match a bid.

WINNERS​

Essendon: Isaac Kako

The Bombers are the huge winners out of the changes, with possible top 10 pick Isaac Kako now likely wearing red and black next year. Touted as a similar – if not better – small forward to Hawthorn’s Nick Watson, he perfectly fills the biggest void in the Bombers’ side. A huge coup for the red and black, who now can trade back and load up for the 2025 draft pending changes to the bidding system.

West Coast: Malakai Champion

Champion was looking like Western Australia’s highest prospect in the draft before the rise of Bo Allan in the National Championships, but Champion is still one of WA’s brightest prospects as a damaging player forward of centre. Certainly not expected to be a first-round prospect, but Champion would have been on the edge of the top 40 picks, but it will save the Eagles running through lots of scenarios to figure out how to use their picks.

Hahaha…what a trash article…oh well north should have selected Sanders with one of their two picks
Missed the whole friggen point of why we couldn’t have him.

Well l guess we should just post this article with the responses that the AFL and every journalist and opposition supporter quoted to us last year when we were also denied proper assistance.. “For the integrity of the draft”. This flies in the face of any so called keeping draft integrity…let the big clubs use their junk picks for top selections coz they sooked. Then screw the rest next year….

 

[theoracle]

I think having Wyndham over the next number of years will make us huge winners. There are so many migrant families in Wyndham from African and sub-continental backgrounds particularly. In time (and many have already) the kids of those born overseas will take up the game (including the kids born overseas who in 20-30 years will have kids): unfortunately it may take time but they’ll come I reckon.

 

[giantroo]

Jase talking about the NGA ~11min

 

[Lomas]

Jase talking about the NGA ~11min

He's right about the NGAs, there hasn't been a single player come through who wasn't already in the development pathways when identified to join an academy. The first thing clubs did was to send forms to every kid in development squads asking about their backgrounds.

 

[Sphynx]

He's right about the NGAs, there hasn't been a single player come through who wasn't already in the development pathways when identified to join an academy. The first thing clubs did was to send forms to every kid in development squads asking about their backgrounds.

He's right.

But he's also a hypocrite for saying that the Northern Acadamies are essential because there's no other pathway than the NSW school system without them.

It's because they shut the entire pathways system down so the Northern Academy system was the only pathway any footballer could take and were effectively forced to.

The Syd AFL is not a nothing comp either. Dane Rampey was drafted straight out of the UNSW Bulldogs.

Matthew Knicks started his coaching career at the same club also.

There's nothing stopping a Sydney South, Sydney North and NSW Country side entering the Coates Talent League and the NSW side playing in a Div 2 carnival for selection in the Allies like they previously did, except this is the way Sydney and GWS prefer it.

As they get every kid under their roof, they can circumvent draft rules, they can pump years of resources into these kids before other clubs are even allowed to inverview prospects.

They can't miss out on prospects like what occured previously. This ensures they hoover up everyone.

 

[justroyal]

Well one positive if that the AFL thought 3 later picks was going going to be the end of their hard work. Now with royally shafting us last year and with the Tasmania NGA, they’re going to have to be working overtime to correct their monumental **** up

 

[King Corey]

Well one positive if that the AFL thought 3 later picks was going going to be the end of their hard work. Now with royally shafting us last year and with the Tasmania NGA, they’re going to have to be working overtime to correct their monumental **** up

Nah they won't.

 

[ChairmanZia]

You can tell that the big clubs have influenced this.

We need to really get that nga in nt, i mean all of it including darwin plus it has to be total academy and not fringe diversity academy that doesn't cover darwin.

If not, then northern country victoria for our academy is another.

If we can get the NT academy then we will also need to get COLA to help out relocation of players.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

What a horrible take! We miss out on a pick 5 but aren’t as unlucky as the Bulldogs who missed out on a pick 39!! Righto

Yes we can't cry too loud because we could have taken Sanders with our two prior picks yet the poor old Bulldogs obviously had no chance to take Lual earlier than 39. Except that they also had picks available before 39 and chose not to use them on Lual. Dear journo, get consistent or get ****ed.

 

[giantroo]

Unapologetic about opening up NGA access for all clubs but seems keen to fix points system at the same time THIS YEAR.

"We have a proposal to reopen (NGA) access, we are also proposing to make the access fairer so it won’t be the same system as last time."

 

[justroyal]

So do we have anyone in our academy this year of worthy mention?

 

[nelroo]

Unapologetic about opening up NGA access for all clubs but seems keen to fix points system at the same time THIS YEAR.

"We have a proposal to reopen (NGA) access, we are also proposing to make the access fairer so it won’t be the same system as last time."

****ing joke .. all of that

 

[kool kangas]

Unapologetic about opening up NGA access for all clubs but seems keen to fix points system at the same time THIS YEAR.

"We have a proposal to reopen (NGA) access, we are also proposing to make the access fairer so it won’t be the same system as last time."

She doing everything she can to disassociated herself from coming from North Melbourne..

 

[shinboner magic]

I think having Wyndham over the next number of years will make us huge winners. There are so many migrant families in Wyndham from African and sub-continental backgrounds particularly. In time (and many have already) the kids of those born overseas will take up the game (including the kids born overseas who in 20-30 years will have kids): unfortunately it may take time but they’ll come I reckon.

Then it’ll be taken off us

 

[Sphynx]

You can tell that the big clubs have influenced this.

We need to really get that nga in nt, i mean all of it including darwin plus it has to be total academy and not fringe diversity academy that doesn't cover darwin.

If not, then northern country victoria for our academy is another.

If we can get the NT academy then we will also need to get COLA to help out relocation of players.