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Hearing Wallan almost a lock to re-join.
Will reservoir be okay for next year? 9 team comp next year is passable however 10 would be the ultimate goal one would think
Surely the could drop Epping back and Wallan could go into D2I think it’s the opposite about Wallan.
I’m hearing that the players have been told that they will be staying in the RDFL next year while the club looks into it further.
The way there travelling in the finals series at the moment, why would they wanna come to div 3.
From the outside, it sounds and looks like a lot going right at Greenhill off the field and on field in both football and netball departments.
Do you think it's fair though, if one club does their budget planning and doesn't pay up to the salary cap limit to ensure they pay their league fees but miss finals, then another club throws caution to the wind, pays up to the full salary cap limit, don't pay up their league fees and play finals?Running a footy club is like running a small business, 400K turnover, employees etc. There can be a range of reasons why you can't service any of your suppliers trading terms, not just NFNL. Delays in sponsor monies coming through, poor results means less supporters turning up & bar/canteen sales down Vs forecast turnover. For the league to threaten pay by set time or we will drop your salary cap even further for following season means you put your other creditors under pressure - players, coaches, club staff, bar/canteen suppliers etc. This just shows you how far removed from club land that nfnl management are. Maybe the league could reduce some of their profit margins i.e: 25% mark up on jumpers for starters & you're forced to buy from their approved suppliers. Or maybe work with clubs (not just Div 1), instead of the salary cap reduction & further threat of sanctions for 2020 laid on clubs on 29/08, that conversation could of been April or May. Yes clubs should work within their financial restraints & service all their suppliers trading terms, but don't move the goal posts mid stream. Everyone working in club land want their club successful both on & off field & work towards that every day.
25% TuesdayJust putting it out there what's everyone's thoughts on training and work life with young kids coming into senior footy. If a young bloke is having to work and has to miss training would you drop him or give the the benefit of the doubt if they have contacted the coach with a valid reason? It's been a discussion point around a few clubs and I have my opinion just want to hear what this forum has to offer.
Good luck to Morang and Hilliers this weekend.
Hmmm... Let’s see if that theory stacks up.Running a footy club is like running a small business, 400K turnover, employees etc. There can be a range of reasons why you can't service any of your suppliers trading terms, not just NFNL. Delays in sponsor monies coming through, poor results means less supporters turning up & bar/canteen sales down Vs forecast turnover. For the league to threaten pay by set time or we will drop your salary cap even further for following season means you put your other creditors under pressure - players, coaches, club staff, bar/canteen suppliers etc. This just shows you how far removed from club land that nfnl management are. Maybe the league could reduce some of their profit margins i.e: 25% mark up on jumpers for starters & you're forced to buy from their approved suppliers. Or maybe work with clubs (not just Div 1), instead of the salary cap reduction & further threat of sanctions for 2020 laid on clubs on 29/08, that conversation could of been April or May. Yes clubs should work within their financial restraints & service all their suppliers trading terms, but don't move the goal posts mid stream. Everyone working in club land want their club successful both on & off field & work towards that every day.
I think it’s a breach of the rules with the blessing of the league...Do you think it's fair though, if one club does their budget planning and doesn't pay up to the salary cap limit to ensure they pay their league fees but miss finals, then another club throws caution to the wind, pays up to the full salary cap limit, don't pay up their league fees and play finals?
All clubs should be budget planing to meet all their obligations. Some clubs will operate to 100% of the cap some clubs maybe 40%.Do you think it's fair though, if one club does their budget planning and doesn't pay up to the salary cap limit to ensure they pay their league fees but miss finals, then another club throws caution to the wind, pays up to the full salary cap limit, don't pay up their league fees and play finals?
It's not about not paying the league.Hmmm... Let’s see if that theory stacks up.
D3, 4 wins in two years... lowest suburban median house prices in the leauges boundries, no junior feeders, ageing and diverse demographics, blank piece of paper basically... $65k turn-around in 24 months... Clubs are not budgeting correctly or responsibly, simple.
Maybe... I should have used one of the excuses above to kid myself it was someone else’s fault for poor management and play outside our means to win...?
While I agree...90k goes pretty quick.Honestly I’d be staggered I’d any div 3 club was anywhere near 90k to begin with. If you are that is poor management because other than PH the lists are nowhere near that sort of money especially with teams such as SM Kilmore and laurimar being quite young.
Honestly I’d be staggered I’d any div 3 club was anywhere near 90k to begin with. If you are that is poor management because other than PH the lists are nowhere near that sort of money especially with teams such as SM Kilmore and laurimar being quite young.
Depends... if he trains regularly and this is a once off then I’d believe him.
If he has a new excuse every week then again that would be a different story.
There isn’t a one size fits all but it’s usually the same blokes making the same excuses i find.
Depends what job as well.
Depends is the kid of $800 a game or $50
But no missing training because of work doesn’t mean instant dropping
Most have known there would be a reduction... The notification and method of inclusion with clubs is horrendous. We can agree on that.It's not about not paying the league.
It's poor management, poor governance by the league
A club could be financially responsible and operate within 100% of the salary cap, but if overnight the goal post are moved & you have multiple players on 2 yr contracts, the league has now put yr club at risk of being in breach of contract if you legitimately can not meet yr contract obligations.
Communication is key
Lots of overtime on Tuesday night yet membership/rego is a strech... it’s a similar story across all clubs.Agree in part , to a degree.
Work is of course priority, family too. But it's amazing how many players work later than 7pm every Tuesday & Thursday night.
So I'd say there's leeway, but there's also some taking the piss.
Imagine most clubs have jnrs training every night of the week , so there's 5 days of opportunity to train.
If it's genuinely work commitments then I guess it comes i)down to affect on rest of playing group & ii) FORM.
It makes retention virtually impossible...While I agree...90k goes pretty quick.
For example Laurimar have 2 ex AFL players half the cap could nearly be gone there
Young or not there is always another club chasing kids which can drive the price up
It makes retention virtually impossible...
Development or project players get contacted fairly easily with social media... Put lots of work into a player and they quickly get offered double at D1 or 2 what the budget allows at D3.
Points and caps should be standardised, reduced AND “means tested”
A. Payment plans for affiliation fees is a breach - shouldn’t qualify for finals (that’s if this is an issue, I’m only going on what the league has communicated)
B. Salary caps need to consistent across all metro comps
B.1 $150k
B.2 $100k
B.3 $75k
C. Points need to be “means tested” in a sense
C.1 Finals year prior 35
C.2 Out of finals year prior 40
C.3 promotion 45
C.4 U19 need to be considered as senior games
D. Clubs acting outside the rules get stripped of all points (this makes committees accountable)
I wonder how a promotion/relegation idea would work around the metropolitan comps and VFL...?!?
I enjoy helping club volunteers and will always be available for suggestions/support/advice... Have been for over a decade.Reading the last block of posts, its a crying shame when learned and passionate football figures like Ben are often ignored or simply not listened to or included in conversation that could lead to constructive learnings.
And herein lies one of my biggest concerns going forward for the local football landscape, as I sit here waiting replay to an email a week ago regarding what criteria should I be working off in regards to the 2020 NFNL junior rep programs.
A lot of leagues all around the state could benefit greatly from insight and inclusion from those on the front line, many who have lived and breathed the game, albeit voluntarily for years ... whilst those earning the quid (from club raised fee's) may not actually always possess such knowledge to tell you all how to run your (volunteer) clubs and leagues, and boast the experience and in some cases the human element to build genuine community sporting relationships.
And in regards to clubs not being financial, surely this doesn't affect this division? Reckon I'd be pretty pi$$ed off if Panton Hill or South Morang were allowed to run out this week having not met their financial commitment to the league, and even now be raising the alarm and making some noise on the topic ... simply not cool if players are being paid at the detriment to you blokes who have covered their umpire fee's, not to mention other things across 2019.
There needs to be some restrictions around U19 to avoid the player poaching and enticement to leave.Great ideas what’s thoughts on this
Eg a player transfers to your club if he plays 10 games off 19s footy before a senior game
Can he be reduce to 3 points
I know a few clubs that struggled with this a little this it made it to pick their best side
And kids at 18 19 have a different outlook on life they want to play with their mates
I enjoy helping club volunteers and will always be available for suggestions/support/advice... Have been for over a decade.
I love community footy for so many reasons but the way it’s all heading is so far removed from the environment I grew up around.
I think you know the reply to your email will get " LOST " in mail trail and they never received. Thats tyhe usual excuse I have been hearing. Im sure 1 of the clubs running out on Saturday are run by the league and have no idea what goes on there. Thats whyt they apparently agreed on people runniong the club that have been involved in all the Rubbish that went on a few years ago. Anyway good luck to both sides, we know which club is ready for promotion.Reading the last block of posts, its a crying shame when learned and passionate football figures like Ben are often ignored or simply not listened to or included in conversation that could lead to constructive learnings.
And herein lies one of my biggest concerns going forward for the local football landscape, as I sit here waiting replay to an email a week ago regarding what criteria should I be working off in regards to the 2020 NFNL junior rep programs.
A lot of leagues all around the state could benefit greatly from insight and inclusion from those on the front line, many who have lived and breathed the game, albeit voluntarily for years ... whilst those earning the quid (from club raised fee's) may not actually always possess such knowledge to tell you all how to run your (volunteer) clubs and leagues, and boast the experience and in some cases the human element to build genuine community sporting relationships.
And in regards to clubs not being financial, surely this doesn't affect this division? Reckon I'd be pretty pi$$ed off if Panton Hill or South Morang were allowed to run out this week having not met their financial commitment to the league, and even now be raising the alarm and making some noise on the topic ... simply not cool if players are being paid at the detriment to you blokes who have covered their umpire fee's, not to mention other things across 2019.
So what is your opinion swooping??Just putting it out there what's everyone's thoughts on training and work life with young kids coming into senior footy. If a young bloke is having to work and has to miss training would you drop him or give the the benefit of the doubt if they have contacted the coach with a valid reason? It's been a discussion point around a few clubs and I have my opinion just want to hear what this forum has to offer.
Good luck to Morang and Hilliers this weekend.
I think you know the reply to your email will get " LOST " in mail trail and they never received. Thats tyhe usual excuse I have been hearing. Im sure 1 of the clubs running out on Saturday are run by the league and have no idea what goes on there. Thats whyt they apparently agreed on people runniong the club that have been involved in all the Rubbish that went on a few years ago. Anyway good luck to both sides, we know which club is ready for promotion.