NFNL div 3 2025

[bertybeetle]

There’s cheating and then there’s blatantly cheating. People aren’t being attracted to the club for culture plain and simple. League approving 55 points has fuelled the fire.
Swanny next

Scanlon - 4
Palazollo - 5
Grabowski - 4
Cantwell - 3
Schwarzer - 3
Sandric - 4
Beckwith - 4
Ferraro - 2
El Moussali -3
Dyson - 4
Edwards - 4
Greenwood - 4

44 points from 12 players

 

[Champ or Chump]

There’s cheating and then there’s blatantly cheating. People aren’t being attracted to the club for culture plain and simple. League approving 55 points has fuelled the fire.
Swanny next

They were on 50 points last year Berry, not sure any of the clubs would be happy to cop a 10 point difference each weekend. There will be interested clubs on how many points they are allowed to play with in 2025 that's is for certain. Especially, when points are the only real regulator against salary caps being totally irrelevant.

 

[local footy fan]

They were on 50 points last year Berry, not sure any of the clubs would be happy to cop a 10 point difference each weekend. There will be interested clubs on how many points they are allowed to play with in 2025 that's is for certain. Especially, when points are the only real regulator against salary caps being totally irrelevant.

this will be a factor but how does the league cope with a couple of trams hopping 200 point flogging week in week out ,its not a good look for the competition . and as long as the points results are monitored each week and if needed be then adjust the points mid year to even out any anomalies

 

[Thing]

Seeing this from the mustangs really make me worry for Lalor. They have spent the last few years going head to head for bottom of the ladder. Now the mustangs gave made a HUGE amount of recruitment and if they play every week or not it will be a big boost for the club on and off the field.
Meanwhile at Lalor they have made a few ok additions but had a few of last year's better recruits leave. Hoping for a few bigger announcements in the coming weeks.

 

[Champ or Chump]

this will be a factor but how does the league cope with a couple of trams hopping 200 point flogging week in week out ,its not a good look for the competition . and as long as the points results are monitored each week and if needed be then adjust the points mid year to even out any anomalies

Sorry LFF but I politely disagree. You can't have teams with 10 player points difference playing each other and think that it supports both:

A) the improvement of a team/club who has struggled in recent seasons
AND
B) maintain some sort of equity within the competition.

No one forced Reservoir to go out and get all 3, 4 and 5 point players, so maybe a more balanced approach might have been acceptable as part of the 'mix' to rebuild.

IF they are expecting other clubs to cop a 10 point difference each weekend and use it to solely bring in older, higher point players - then that is talking the P155 a bit - IMHO.

They were much more competitive last year and this list will have them very, competitive - no doubt. So well done to all involved, but you can't have 10 points difference, that is too much.

I also don't think points adjustments mid-year work for them or other sides.

• They can't plan properly
• Other sides disadvantaged and creating more inequity in an uneven fixture.

 

[local footy fan]

Sorry LFF but I politely disagree. You can't have teams with 10 player points difference playing each other and think that it supports both:

A) the improvement of a team/club who has struggled in recent seasons
AND
B) maintain some sort of equity within the competition.

No one forced Reservoir to go out and get all 3, 4 and 5 point players, so maybe a more balanced approach might have been acceptable as part of the 'mix' to rebuild.

IF they are expecting other clubs to cop a 10 point difference each weekend and use it to solely bring in older, higher point players - then that is talking the P155 a bit - IMHO.

They were much more competitive last year and this list will have them very, competitive - no doubt. So well done to all involved, but you can't have 10 points difference, that is too much.

I also don't think points adjustments mid-year work for them or other sides.

• They can't plan properly
• Other sides disadvantaged and creating more inequity in an uneven fixture.

fair points but I like to remember this quote a champion team will always beat a team of champions just because you have a heap of top talent does not automatically guarantee success

 

[Champ or Chump]

fair points but I like to remember this quote a champion team will always beat a team of champions just because you have a heap of top talent does not automatically guarantee success

Competitive competitions are not set up via quotes though

They are set up via guidelines to try and produce some equity across the whole competition, minimise risk of salary cap abuse, support sustainable growth of clubs and help ALL clubs within it to be competitive.

Giving a club 55 points (10 point advantage) places all of the above at greater risk and/or enhancing inequity in the comp.

I very much doubt other clubs would be too thrilled with the NFNL if they suggested a differential of that type existed next year.

 

[10571z]

Sorry LFF but I politely disagree. You can't have teams with 10 player points difference playing each other and think that it supports both:

A) the improvement of a team/club who has struggled in recent seasons
AND
B) maintain some sort of equity within the competition.

No one forced Reservoir to go out and get all 3, 4 and 5 point players, so maybe a more balanced approach might have been acceptable as part of the 'mix' to rebuild.

IF they are expecting other clubs to cop a 10 point difference each weekend and use it to solely bring in older, higher point players - then that is talking the P155 a bit - IMHO.

They were much more competitive last year and this list will have them very, competitive - no doubt. So well done to all involved, but you can't have 10 points difference, that is too much.

I also don't think points adjustments mid-year work for them or other sides.

• They can't plan properly
• Other sides disadvantaged and creating more inequity in an uneven fixture.

They'll be on 46 like all the other teams.

They were more than competitive and their current players drop a point. Absolute BS any talk of 55 points.

 

[Champ or Chump]

They'll be on 46 like all the other teams.

They were more than competitive and their current players drop a point. Absolute BS any talk of 55 points.

Also, my mistake when I was saying 10 point differential (it's actually 9) as I thought teams were on 45 not 46.

We won both of our two games last year, but it was 55 points and then 7 points.

 

[local footy fan]

Competitive competitions are not set up via quotes though

They are set up via guidelines to try and produce some equity across the whole competition, minimise risk of salary cap abuse, support sustainable growth of clubs and help ALL clubs within it to be competitive.

Giving a club 55 points (10 point advantage) places all of the above at greater risk and/or enhancing inequity in the comp.

I very much doubt other clubs would be too thrilled with the NFNL if they suggested a differential of that type existed next year.

all valid points again but look at the bigger picture if resa and lalor continue to get belted and fall over and go into recess third div can not afford to lose two teams , where are new are the new teams ,They have been lucky in the last few years getting 5 clubs but that is pretty well exhausted all existing senior clubs . The NNFl need all three divisions being competitive this is how you become a destination league

 

[Champ or Chump]

all valid points again but look at the bigger picture if resa and lalor continue to get belted and fall over and go into recess third div can not afford to lose two teams , where are new are the new teams ,They have been lucky in the last few years getting 5 clubs but that is pretty well exhausted all existing senior clubs . The NNFl need all three divisions being competitive this is how you become a destination league

I agree that the competition needs to be mindful of that - absolutely. I just don't agree with the approach that sees it unfairly advantageous to one club over another via significant points variations. A couple of things:

a) points are the only way you can slightly regulate salary cap abuse. If you allow sides to get a significant points advantage then you can't be GTD that salary cap regulations are being followed. I'm not saying that Ressa is breaching the cap, absolutely not. But points makes it harder to do so.

b) Ressa have chosen to largely chase older players as the rebuild strategy. Maybe chasing some younger guys who are in and out of Div 1 or Div 2 senior teams could be seen as more of the mix to move the club forward - for less points?

c) Example only: Look at a team like West Heidelberg who are on 45/46 points every week last year and would love an extra amount of points to help re-build their club some more. I don't think giving Ressa a 9 point advantage over them would be fair.

Finally, as I said previously - we only just beat Ressa last year in game 2 by 7 points. I was told we should have lost (I was not there), so allowing them to load up with significant extra player points does not seem right, especially if it is going into a heap of guys 36-40+ years of age.

Anyway, I wish them well and I am sure they will be very, very competitive this year with that list. I just don't think you should get the opportunity to improve your club/list to the disadvantage of others in the competition.

Should be a cracking round 1

 

[10571z]

all valid points again but look at the bigger picture if resa and lalor continue to get belted and fall over and go into recess third div can not afford to lose two teams , where are new are the new teams ,They have been lucky in the last few years getting 5 clubs but that is pretty well exhausted all existing senior clubs . The NNFl need all three divisions being competitive this is how you become a destination league

Why do these clubs end up in these positions? Is generally self inflicted due to bad management, over spending and lack of investments into junior pathway.

There is 11 teams so they are in no danger of losing division 3.

The league would be better setting up education programs to learn to budget, fundraise money, create pathways over handing out points.

 

[local footy fan]

I agree that the competition needs to be mindful of that - absolutely. I just don't agree with the approach that sees it unfairly advantageous to one club over another via significant points variations. A couple of things:

a) points are the only way you can slightly regulate salary cap abuse. If you allow sides to get a significant points advantage then you can't be GTD that salary cap regulations are being followed. I'm not saying that Ressa is breaching the cap, absolutely not. But points makes it harder to do so.

b) Ressa have chosen to largely chase older players as the rebuild strategy. Maybe chasing some younger guys who are in and out of Div 1 or Div 2 senior teams could be seen as more of the mix to move the club forward - for less points?

c) Example only: Look at a team like West Heidelberg who are on 45/46 points every week last year and would love an extra amount of points to help re-build their club some more. I don't think giving Ressa a 9 point advantage over them would be fair.

Finally, as I said previously - we only just beat Ressa last year in game 2 by 7 points. I was told we should have lost (I was not there), so allowing them to load up with significant extra player points does not seem right, especially if it is going into a heap of guys 36-40+ years of age.

Anyway, I wish them well and I am sure they will be very, very competitive this year with that list. I just don't think you should get the opportunity to improve your club/list to the disadvantage of others in the competition.

Should be a cracking round 1

great points again and couldn't agree any more. I will throw in that just maybe the people are trying to raise the bar of the standard of players they are able to recruit by getting in the players they at the moment as lets face it they have only been able to get some pretty average and below average players in since the come back

 

[local footy fan]

Why do these clubs end up in these positions? Is generally self inflicted due to bad management, over spending and lack of investments into junior pathway.

There is 11 teams so they are in no danger of losing division 3.

The league would be better setting up education programs to learn to budget, fundraise money, create pathways over handing out points.

I agree what a good idea it would be for your last point to be implemented , as football clubs are a business now and need smart business people running them .In saying that with all the rules ,regulations and licences put on them by the ALF and local council it is hard to get people to volunteer for committees .its almost a full time job being a president most presidents would be at minimum 20 hours per week and the good ones a lot more

 

[Champ or Chump]

great points again and couldn't agree any more. I will throw in that just maybe the people are trying to raise the bar of the standard of players they are able to recruit by getting in the players they at the moment as lets face it they have only been able to get some pretty average and below average players in since the come back

It was sad to see them lose Cuppins - absolute jet and would have been the type of player to build around. I'm sure he would have enjoyed playing in this years team.

 

[Champ or Chump]

I agree what a good idea it would be for your last point to be implemented , as football clubs are a business now and need smart business people running them .In saying that with all the rules ,regulations and licences put on them by the ALF and local council it is hard to get people to volunteer for committees .its almost a full time job being a president most presidents would be at minimum 20 hours per week and the good ones a lot more

Completely agree. It won't be too long until clubs 'could' see a shift from President to CEO as the 'business' of local sport continues to evolve. I think we will see this eventually, with some larger clubs who already have significantly paid 'football manager' roles or even full time roles within the private school system that dove tail into the VAFA teams.

It's strange that several of the key people in sporting clubs, who are largely responsible for 'running the business' are also some of the people not being financially compensated - either part-time or full time. It will be an interesting watch over the next 5-10 years as clubs look to gain advantage, sustainability and success.

 

[Coach_Beard]

all valid points raised and the worse bit is the amount of community money or junior families money that continually funds it. all the red tape and demands place on volunteers from afl house isnt helping one bit, more paid afl staff than ever before but the clubs are expected to do more work than ever as a result.
more clubs will got to the wall in the next 3-5 years unfortunatly as the stress and strain on smaller commitees is breaking and wearing out good loyal pepole.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Mustangs add another looking at socials - 200cm Ruckman who has played at a few clubs. More points