NFNL Div 3 discussion 2024

[Champ or Chump]

Chump - well done on the recruitment to date and I'm sure more will be announced. As a long time Ammo man, I'm keen to see how yourselves and the boys from Plenty Rd go with their move (I'll be attending the odd game for both teams this year).

Question for you - Is the return of players aligned directly to earning some coin or players returning to the club to try there luck against new opposition in a new league?

Probably a question for the recruiting team but I've been told it's a combination of things - some money, being more local, a few mates wanting to play together again, etc. It's exactly why the club voted to make the move to create opportunity to get/keep players. That was getting more difficult for us as a low grade ammo team. We now have a point of difference to some local ammo teams for our juniors to think about. Will we be competitive, we don't know, but a good feeling happening right now around the club.

Chump.

 

[10571z]

Heard from Mernda source Nippa injured at training will miss quite a while (should be back for start of season)

Not good signs for his body.

 

[Johnno1089]

Epping & Ivanhoe with some impressive signings of late, Looking like this is going to be one of the most wide open divisions in the nfnl in a long time!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Ryan17]

can't wait for old eltham v mernda

 

[Champ or Chump]

Div 3 fixture is out on NFNL site: 2024 Heidelberg Golf Club Division 3 Fixture | Northern Football Netball League

Chump.

 

[123Goldstareffort]

Heard from someone at mustangs that there was 40+ at the intra club match Friday night. Positive signs if true especially with not having signed a coach yet.

 

[The Bee Man]

Heard from someone at mustangs that there was 40+ at the intra club match Friday night. Positive signs if true especially with not having signed a coach yet.

Well done to them. Heres hoping there were some quality amongst them...........................

 

[Lalorboy1]

two quick thoughts ......questions?

1/ How were Ressa's numbers last year - did twos forfeit games?

2/ Could the new coach (or coaches) come from the two Assistant coaches and as they know the playing group and I would imagine were involved in helping secure the new recruits?

Chump.

1 - Reservoir finished last in the reserves without a win and percentage of 16% however they didn’t forfeit a game which is a positive

Hearing numbers of 40+ at the Intraclub Thursday night

2 - it would probably be the best option for the club to have the two assistants to maintain the players they have recruited however if they haven’t recruited enough they are in big trouble once injuries hit

Lots of positives down at Lalor with good numbers at training and a positive vibe, expecting an improved team however looking at the recruits in the division it seems a much stronger division so I will predict 2 wins against Reservoir and maybe pinch a game against another possibly Kinglake at home as they posted a training session with less then 15 in attendance with no recruits posted

Old Eltham recruiting very heavily after winning a reserves premiership so depth is there they look the ones to beat, I believe Epping are being slept on with them recruiting well and coming down a division

Old Eltham
Epping
Mernda
Stars
Hwest
Old Parade
Ivanhoe
Kilmore
Kinglake
Lalor
Reservoir

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Old Eltham
Mernda
Epping
Fitzroy Stars
Heid West
Ivanhoe
Old Paradians
Kinglake
Kilmore
Lalor
Reservoir

 

[bertybeetle]

Based on fixture Stars move into top 2 favourites for me. Have Reservoir and Lalor twice and play Turtles, Ivanhoe, HW and Kinglake once. Play Kinglake round 1 and dont play them again.

Compared to mernda and turtles who will definitely deserve their top 2 credentials if there get there.

Turtles play mernda, epping, HW, Ivanhoe, OP, Kinglake twice and Reservoir and Lalor once.

Mernda play Reservoir and Lalor only once, play turtles, ivanhoe, Kinglake, epping and stars twice.

OP and Ivanhoe have Lalor and reservoir twice each too so this gets them right in the mix.

 

[Champ or Chump]

No idea if ours is a good, bad or ugly draw!

4 of the top 5 from last year x 2
2 of the bottom teams x 2
Epping who played a division above / recruiting well x 1
Stars recruiting well x 1
Dont play Kilmore away.
Parade x 1, but play at Ivanhoe Park.

IF we make the top 5 in year 1 I'd be bloody stoked!

Chump.

 

[Thunder1]

OP and Ivanhoe definitely looked after with playing Reservoir and Lalor
4 guaranteed wins there
Tough draw for Mernda but too be expected as they were runners up

 

[nosecondprize]

Heard from Mernda source Nippa injured at training will miss quite a while (should be back for start of season)

Not good signs for his body.

He's Been injured off and on for years now. Realistically should be a $200-$300 a game player.

 

[10571z]

OP and Ivanhoe definitely looked after with playing Reservoir and Lalor
4 guaranteed wins there
Tough draw for Mernda but too be expected as they were runners up

No team should be playing Lalor and Reservoir 4 times while others only twice.

League has made a meal of this. Boundy or Close could win the goal kicking in 4 games.

The percentage issues as well.

 

[bertybeetle]

No team should be playing Lalor and Reservoir 4 times while others only twice.

League has made a meal of this. Boundy or Close could win the goal kicking in 4 games.

The percentage issues as well.

Noticed the junior competition has no percentage but instead win based ratio as finals determination and if 2 teams are on same points h2h between the 2 teams taken into account to decide who progresses to a finals spots.

Think maybe this could have been explored to rule out percentage becoming a factor on results but also allow reservoir and Lalor some grace as the motivating factor for clubs won’t be to come out and win by 200pts to keep up with every other club that does the same thing. Saves a bit of pride for both teams, allows clubs to blood guys giving them opportunity and equalises the ladder a little bit. Hard to do for one division and not all however surely with the complexity of the division 3 fixture it could’ve had some type of consideration to it?

 

[Denny Crane]

Noticed the junior competition has no percentage but instead win based ratio as finals determination and if 2 teams are on same points h2h between the 2 teams taken into account to decide who progresses to a finals spots.

Think maybe this could have been exploited to rule out percentage becoming a factor on results but also allow reservoir and Lalor some grace as the motivating factor for clubs won’t be to come out and win by 200pts to keep up with every other club that does the same thing. Saves a bit of pride for both teams, allows clubs to blood guys giving them opportunity and equalises the ladder a little bit. Hard to do for one division and not all however surely with the complexity of the division 3 fixture it could’ve had some type of consideration to it?

Very interesting idea and makes sense to me.

 

[10571z]

Noticed the junior competition has no percentage but instead win based ratio as finals determination and if 2 teams are on same points h2h between the 2 teams taken into account to decide who progresses to a finals spots.

Think maybe this could have been exploited to rule out percentage becoming a factor on results but also allow reservoir and Lalor some grace as the motivating factor for clubs won’t be to come out and win by 200pts to keep up with every other club that does the same thing. Saves a bit of pride for both teams, allows clubs to blood guys giving them opportunity and equalises the ladder a little bit. Hard to do for one division and not all however surely with the complexity of the division 3 fixture it could’ve had some type of consideration to it?

Much better idea in a lop sided draw.

 

[Champ or Chump]

OP and Ivanhoe definitely looked after with playing Reservoir and Lalor
4 guaranteed wins there
Tough draw for Mernda but too be expected as they were runners up

In fairness Thunder - we won 2 games in Div 4 ammo's last year and our twos won one game. Whilst we have picked up a few, is not like it's Federico, Lachie Wilson and the Blackmore-Moores are heading back to our club.

We were bloody awful last year and got smashed - again, in Div 4 ammo's. Lets see how we go eh?

Chump.

 

[Johnno1089]

Awful fixture
I know the league can’t look at reservoir and lalor as free wins but it’s the reality
Epping, Mernda, Turtles & Kinglake are essentially giving the rest of the division a 1 & 2 win head start
Would be a shame to see a better side miss the 5 because of an unfavourable draw.

 

[bertybeetle]

Awful fixture
I know the league can’t look at reservoir and lalor as free wins but it’s the reality
Epping, Mernda, Turtles & Kinglake are essentially giving the rest of the division a 1 & 2 win head start
Would be a shame to see a better side miss the 5 because of an unfavourable draw.

The top 3 teams from 2023 remaining in the division along with the division 2 team that was relegated with the unfavourable draw. Looks to me like that was probably the only sensible calculations made when deciding who doesn’t double up against them teams.

 

[10571z]

Awful fixture
I know the league can’t look at reservoir and lalor as free wins but it’s the reality
Epping, Mernda, Turtles & Kinglake are essentially giving the rest of the division a 1 & 2 win head start
Would be a shame to see a better side miss the 5 because of an unfavourable draw.

Why couldn’t they look at them as free wins? Neither side has beat anyone else for 5 years…

Each side has 6 double ups…


Reservior and Lalor could have played 5 different sides….

Lalor - kinglake, Old eltham, Kilmore, Parade, Res

Res - Mernda, parade, Stars, lalor, epping.

Is that so hard? At least there is some fairness.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Noticed the junior competition has no percentage but instead win based ratio as finals determination and if 2 teams are on same points h2h between the 2 teams taken into account to decide who progresses to a finals spots.

Think maybe this could have been explored to rule out percentage becoming a factor on results but also allow reservoir and Lalor some grace as the motivating factor for clubs won’t be to come out and win by 200pts to keep up with every other club that does the same thing. Saves a bit of pride for both teams, allows clubs to blood guys giving them opportunity and equalises the ladder a little bit. Hard to do for one division and not all however surely with the complexity of the division 3 fixture it could’ve had some type of consideration to it?

This actually makes good sense. May give some respite to reservoir & Lalor of teams aren’t chasing monster percentage boost every time they play. Also allows clubs to manage a few players or play some kids

 

[Mappa]

OP and Ivanhoe definitely looked after with playing Reservoir and Lalor
4 guaranteed wins there
Tough draw for Mernda but too be expected as they were runners up

In fairness Thunder - we won 2 games in Div 4 ammo's last year and our twos won one game. Whilst we have picked up a few, is not like it's Federico, Lachie Wilson and the Blackmore-Moores are heading back to our club.

We were bloody awful last year and got smashed - again, in Div 4 ammo's. Lets see how we go eh?

Chump.

And we finished 7th in Division 5. Similarly, we have picked up some talent, but the move to the NFNL is a step up from where we were.

Our last home game is in round 15, but they're the swings and roundabouts of fixtures and we aren't complaining. We're looking forward to the season, the challenge and everything that comes with it

 

[NFNL Member]

Noticed the junior competition has no percentage but instead win based ratio as finals determination and if 2 teams are on same points h2h between the 2 teams taken into account to decide who progresses to a finals spots.

Think maybe this could have been explored to rule out percentage becoming a factor on results but also allow reservoir and Lalor some grace as the motivating factor for clubs won’t be to come out and win by 200pts to keep up with every other club that does the same thing. Saves a bit of pride for both teams, allows clubs to blood guys giving them opportunity and equalises the ladder a little bit. Hard to do for one division and not all however surely with the complexity of the division 3 fixture it could’ve had some type of consideration to it?

I like it