No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 4

[footscray1973]

Is that some kind of sexual apparatus?

Thanks Mantis, I use Excel on a daily basis, and now I'll never look at my files the same way again!

 

[Sharpiesadog]

To be fair, the HUN only does articles like this because, deep down, everyone's an Essington supporter.

Let's be honest - we all want what's best for them, surely.

Robbo knows it's true...

Let’s not forget the old chestnut ‘It’s good for footy to have a strong Essendon (or Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond)’. Complete tosh.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Let’s not forget the old chestnut ‘It’s good for footy to have a strong Essendon (or Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond)’. Complete tosh.

Yep.

Good for footy?

I beg to differ...

 

[footscray1973]

Yep.

Good for footy?

I beg to differ...

Also, only 2 of those 4 clubs provided public (and financial, even if limited by their own precarious situation) support for us in 1989, while the other 2 were notable by their absence of any support at all.
(And - allegedly - at least one was supportive of the VFL push to get the merger through as quickly as possible.)

Old Dogs never forget.

 

[dogwatch]

Well it is good for footy in the strict business sense. The first Richmond flag in decades (2017) brought a lot more fans back through the gates than the first Bulldogs flag in decades did, the year before. A Carlton or Essendon flag after a quarter of a century (shudder ) would have a similar effect on the AFL's coffers and the whole industry including the broadcast networks and advertisers.

That's the bean-counters version of it anyway.

I'm all on board with the Jim Chalmers wellness idea though. A Bulldogs flag is much better for the wellness of the comp than an Essendon one.

 

[footscray1973]

Well it is good for footy in the strict business sense. The first Richmond flag in decades (2017) brought a lot more fans back through the gates than the first Bulldogs flag in decades did, the year before. A Carlton or Essendon flag after a quarter of a century (shudder ) would have a similar effect on the AFL's coffers and the whole industry including the broadcast networks and advertisers.

That's the bean-counters version of it anyway.

I'm all on board with the Jim Chalmers wellness idea though. A Bulldogs flag is much better for the wellness of the comp than an Essendon one.

My "Like" was only for your last sentence btw, even though I begrudgingly accept the rest of your post!

What I think would be good for footy this year (on the pragmatic assumption we won't be in it), is Freo smashing whoever they play in the GF. Preferably by a record margin, and by kicking 17 or so goals in the last quarter and a bit.

 

[ScragCity]

Is Jim Chalmers the best bloke with the initials JC ever to walk the Earth?

 

[H Dolphin]

Is Jim Chalmers the best bloke with the initials JC ever to walk the Earth?

Here's a few better. John Charles, James Cook, Jdward Chitten, John Cchultz, Jarcus Comtempelli, Sir Jdward Cunlop, Jnthony Calbanese, Jobert Cawke, Jinston Churchill, Jaul Ceating

 

[footscray1973]

Here's a few better. John Charles, James Cook, Jdward Chitten, John Cchultz, Jarcus Comtempelli, Sir Jdward Cunlop, Jnthony Calbanese, Jobert Cawke, Jinston Churchill, Jaul Ceating

You missed Jack Collins! (And John Cuzzupe.)

 

[H Dolphin]

Well it is good for footy in the strict business sense. The first Richmond flag in decades (2017) brought a lot more fans back through the gates than the first Bulldogs flag in decades did, the year before. A Carlton or Essendon flag after a quarter of a century (shudder ) would have a similar effect on the AFL's coffers and the whole industry including the broadcast networks and advertisers.

That's the bean-counters version of it anyway.

I'm all on board with the Jim Chalmers wellness idea though. A Bulldogs flag is much better for the wellness of the comp than an Essendon one.

Questionable. Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and numbers through the gates. None of the so called big 4, with sustained success except Essendon, briefly in the 80s, since the '70s. We have been in the digital age for 20 years and Melbourne's population has been growing exponentially but demographically changing at an even greater rate, 100,000 plus in 1954 is different from a similar number in 2016. Financial analysis is still stuck in the depression era style of inner suburb football dominance of the entertainment part of the family budget. My guess is that ground attendances grow less influential as years go by. Maybe our Club is on a better path, more community involvement, getting involved in education, particularly, and social services, areas of importance to the demographic of the new Melbournians, particularly those in the expanding Western Suburbs. Nationally and financially, a Fremantle, Port, GWS Premiership is better for the competition's finances than CollingwoodCarltonRichmondEssendon success.

 

[H Dolphin]

You missed Jack Collins! (And John Cuzzupe.)

Jack Who ? How could I have forgotten Cazzupe, Pride of Braybrook Football Club, which has never produced any other footballer of any note ?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Jack Who ? How could I have forgotten Cazzupe, Pride of Braybrook Football Club, which has never produced any other footballer of any note ?

Would’ve produced a few more if not for the lure of sinking piss and chasing tail.

Bucket Snr played there in the 60’s and 70’s and regularly talks about some of his teammates being superstars destined for league greatness, only to go down a lesser path and piss it all away.

Was adamant some of them were more talented than some of the other players that did make it. Probably not too different to other clubs of the era, but interesting considering how many made it from Braybrook.

 

[dogwatch]

Here's a few better. John Charles, James Cook, Jdward Chitten, John Cchultz, Jarcus Comtempelli, Sir Jdward Cunlop, Jnthony Calbanese, Jobert Cawke, Jinston Churchill, Jaul Ceating

Noticeable but entirely understandable absentees from your list:

Jony Cabbott​

Josh Crydenberg​

Jott Corrison​

John Coward​

regards,
jogcatch

 

[H Dolphin]

Would’ve produced a few more if not for the lure of sinking piss and chasing tail.

Bucket Snr played there in the 60’s and 70’s and regularly talks about some of his teammates being superstars destined for league greatness, only to go down a lesser path and piss it all away.

Was adamant some of them were more talented than some of the other players that did make it. Probably not too different to other clubs of the era, but interesting considering how many made it from Braybrook.

Not your father's fault but the Club was rabble in the late 60s - early 70s, too many big fish in small ponds. Your father would have known David Thorpe, in that era, a local and gifted player, much, undeservedly, scorned when he went to Richmond for Premiership opportunity. Make jokes about grog and womanising now but recognise that having blokes like that in control of the Club in that era condemned our Club to bottom feeding until Tony Capes' Board of the 1980s.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Not your father's fault but the Club was rabble in the late 60s - early 70s, too many big fish in small ponds. Your father would have known David Thorpe, in that era, a local and gifted player, much, undeservedly, scorned when he went to Richmond for Premiership opportunity. Make jokes about grog and womanising now but recognise that having blokes like that in control of the Club in that era condemned our Club to bottom feeding until Tony Capes' Board of the 1980s.

Yeah he may remember him. Not sure exactly when he finished up.

Might have it wrong but pretty sure he’s mentioned Ray Collins as one player who had a fair amount of talent in his younger years. Possibly Dennis’ brother? Does he sound familiar?

I’ve not had anything to do with Braybrook myself, so couldn’t say for certain who the other players were.

 

[H Dolphin]

Yeah he may remember him. Not sure exactly when he finished up.

Might have it wrong but pretty sure he’s mentioned Ray Collins as one player who had a fair amount of talent in his younger years. Possibly Dennis’ brother? Does he sound familiar?

I’ve not had anything to do with Braybrook myself, so couldn’t say for certain who the other players were.

Footscray was a village, back then, everyone knew everyone. Local footy featured in the Footscray Mail and Footscray Advertiser. If you dig around in the archives, you'll find lots about your father, whoever he was.

A bloke I know, who ended up a Business Consultant (read conman Accountant) tried out with both F'scray and C'wood. At F'scray, he told me, that during training, when Captain-Coach Ted was addressing the players, Thorpe and others would talk among themselves and when Ted pulled them up, they would respond "Get F....d, Ted", Whitten would laugh and cop it. At C'wood, it was Mr Kyne. It was a bad era. Gee, Thorpe was a good footballer.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Footscray was a village, back then, everyone knew everyone. Local footy featured in the Footscray Mail and Footscray Advertiser. If you dig around in the archives, you'll find lots about your father, whoever he was.

A bloke I know, who ended up a Business Consultant (read conman Accountant) tried out with both F'scray and C'wood. At F'scray, he told me, that during training, when Captain-Coach Ted was addressing the players, Thorpe and others would talk among themselves and when Ted pulled them up, they would respond "Get F....d, Ted", Whitten would laugh and cop it. At C'wood, it was Mr Kyne. It was a bad era. Gee, Thorpe was a good footballer.

Nailed it, H.

Plenty of local stars invited to Footscray, but only a few bothered coming down. The club was seen as a joke by many. Probably a fair assessment, actually.

A couple of guys I played with in junior footy were potential 200 gamers (Footscray's opinion, not mine), but preferred the culture of their local clubs.

How sad is that?

 

[dogwatch]

Nailed it, H.

Plenty of local stars invited to Footscray, but only a few bothered coming down. The club was seen as a joke by many. Probably a fair assessment, actually.

A couple of guys I played with in junior footy were potential 200 gamers (Footscray's opinion, not mine), but preferred the culture of their local clubs.

How sad is that?

What a rabble. It does make you appreciate how far we've come since then.

Is it too grand a sweep to compare it to western civilisation's lost centuries of the Dark Ages after the Glory that was Greece and the Power that was Rome? Things didn't pick up again until the Renaissance.

Our equivalent:

The Power and Glory - early 50s
The long Dark Ages - early 60s to mid 80s
The Renaissance - sputtered into life around the mid-80s, nearly went out altogether then resurfaced in 1990
The Enlightenment - 2015 and ongoing (but erratic)

 

[Sharpiesadog]

What a rabble. It does make you appreciate how far we've come since then.

Is it too grand a sweep to compare it to western civilisation's lost centuries of the Dark Ages after the Glory that was Greece and the Power that was Rome? Things didn't pick up again until the Renaissance.

Our equivalent:

The Power and Glory - early 50s
The long Dark Ages - early 60s to mid 80s
The Renaissance - sputtered into life around the mid-80s, nearly went out altogether then resurfaced in 1990
The Enlightenment - 2015 and ongoing (but erratic)

I arrived in Australia in 1990. The first game of aussie rules I saw was the dogs beating Collingwood at the MCG when Steve Kolyniuk ran around the man on the mark and dobbed the sealer from 45 out near the boundary.

On the whole, since then the doggies have probably been more competitive in the comp than at any other time in their history.

I’m starting to think I am the catalyst for this transformation.

Before you scoff, prior to arrival I supported Derby County in English soccer(from Derby you see). Since I left England, Derby have had their worst 30 years plus of underachievement in their history. Currently about to play in the third tier in after narrowly avoiding going out of business. I left them after finishing 5th in the top division.

Its got to be down to me. Feel free to send messages of gratitude at your leisure.

 

[Sharpiesadog]

PS, I really should do some work this afternoon!

 

[H Dolphin]

What a rabble. It does make you appreciate how far we've come since then.

Is it too grand a sweep to compare it to western civilisation's lost centuries of the Dark Ages after the Glory that was Greece and the Power that was Rome? Things didn't pick up again until the Renaissance.

Our equivalent:

The Power and Glory - early 50s
The long Dark Ages - early 60s to mid 80s
The Renaissance - sputtered into life around the mid-80s, nearly went out altogether then resurfaced in 1990
The Enlightenment - 2015 and ongoing (but erratic)

To the extent that your analysis aligns our within-memory appreciation of the Club with classic history to give perspective and relevance, clarity and well done. Why were we ever so bad ? Anyone with half a brain should have seen that Footscray, Sunshine, Spotswood, Altona was or was becoming the industrial and manufacturing rising giant in the Victorian, if not Australian, economy. Why didn't Club board members go to Smorgons, Sunshine Harvesters, Coode Island Oil Distillers back then, the way we do with community groups, now ?

Nailed it, H.

Plenty of local stars invited to Footscray, but only a few bothered coming down. The club was seen as a joke by many. Probably a fair assessment, actually.

A couple of guys I played with in junior footy were potential 200 gamers (Footscray's opinion, not mine), but preferred the culture of their local clubs.

How sad is that?

Nailed it, D. In his memoirs, Doug Hawkins records that he was about to give up playing in losing Footscray teams and going back to playing with his mates at Braybrook. Why not ? VFL players were a paid a bit but not so much that playing footy with your mates wasn't important to them.

 

[H Dolphin]

I arrived in Australia in 1990. The first game of aussie rules I saw was the dogs beating Collingwood at the MCG when Steve Kolyniuk ran around the man on the mark and dobbed the sealer from 45 out near the boundary.

On the whole, since then the doggies have probably been more competitive in the comp than at any other time in their history.

I’m starting to think I am the catalyst for this transformation.

Before you scoff, prior to arrival I supported Derby County in English soccer(from Derby you see). Since I left England, Derby have had their worst 30 years plus of underachievement in their history. Currently about to play in the third tier in after narrowly avoiding going out of business. I left them after finishing 5th in the top division.

Its got to be down to me. Feel free to send messages of gratitude at your leisure.

Belated welcome aboard. What this country needs is immigrants, like you, who join in. A mate of mine, former Brit, tells me that his nationality is of choice, not accident of birth. That game, post probable extinction, had the Club playing against the biggest club on the biggest occasion and in the biggest stadium , "Billy" 's side step around Graham Wright and goal topped it off. Emotionally, that moment was as close to Picken's last goal in 2016 as I can recall.

 

[H Dolphin]

Nailed it, H.

Plenty of local stars invited to Footscray, but only a few bothered coming down. The club was seen as a joke by many. Probably a fair assessment, actually.

A couple of guys I played with in junior footy were potential 200 gamers (Footscray's opinion, not mine), but preferred the culture of their local clubs.

How sad is that?

In the Footscray in which I grew up, playing for the 'Dogs was status enhancing but not necessarily wallet enhancing. Aus wasn't, then, the first world paradise we are now. The older brother of my best mate did well in the twos but was told that his elevation was second to country recruits. Merv Hobbs recorded that he grew up in Spotswood then went bush from where he was recruited. Great days, eh, D ? look at our lives and the lives our grandchilden lead. Whatever our shortcomings aren't they quick to point them out ? We did alright.

 

[doggies ftw]

In the Footscray in which I grew up, playing for the 'Dogs was status enhancing but not necessarily wallet enhancing. Aus wasn't, then, the first world paradise we are now. The older brother of my best mate did well in the twos but was told that his elevation was second to country recruits. Merv Hobbs recorded that he grew up in Spotswood then went bush from where he was recruited. Great days, eh, D ? look at our lives and the lives our grandchilden lead. Whatever our shortcomings aren't they quick to point them out ? We did alright.

May have done alright for yourselves but wouldn’t say you left the planet in a great state for your grandchildren though

 

[H Dolphin]

May have done alright for yourselves but wouldn’t say you left the planet in a great state for your grandchildren though

We may, or may not, have "done alright for" ourselves but we are all here as a consequence of decisions of our ancestors. Research your family back to those who brought you here. I've no doubt that you'll find that it was for your betterment. The planet's in petty good nick, all things considered.