Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024

[Joao]

10 games left for Essendon. 9 in Melbourne......in a row. Amazing hey

True story, a poster on their board was complaining that their fixture to date had them travelling every 2nd week up until now.

Not even a hint of a joke in there.

 

[GingerDocker]

Melbourne star Petracca undergoes surgery after series of injuries

The Demons star was injured on Monday.

www.sen.com.au

How the hell could the Melbourne doctors allow him back on the ground?

I still have the suspicion that player welfare and how doctors remain independent in high pressure, win at all cost scenarios, is a murky area for the AFL.

 

[DocT]

That would have been awesome
I was in the Gili Islands that day on a months surfing trip through Indo , my mum and brother went .
I still kinda regret not going

Can we blame the surface conditions for Fyfes bad kicking ?

Only if eveyone's kicking was similar.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Melbourne star Petracca undergoes surgery after series of injuries

The Demons star was injured on Monday.

www.sen.com.au

How the hell could the Melbourne doctors allow him back on the ground?

I still have the suspicion that player welfare and how doctors remain independent in high pressure, win at all cost scenarios, is a murky area for the AFL.

It still amazes me how so much of this is kept under wraps until you hear stories from players or their families - this wouldn't be making headlines if it was say Taj Woewoedin or Daniel Turner or had happened in a VFL game/training.

 

[BeepTest]

Nah, the conditions were terrible that day with the wind swirling around. Our lack of familiarity with the ground and the weather conditions was a major factor. Plus the nerves.

Ive been to the majority of Freo games at the G since and not one has come close to the conditions on GF day 2013. The first quarter especially the wind was intense and sitting behind fyfes kicks at the other end of the ground didnt give him much chance of kicking them at the time.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Melbourne star Petracca undergoes surgery after series of injuries

The Demons star was injured on Monday.

www.sen.com.au

How the hell could the Melbourne doctors allow him back on the ground?

I still have the suspicion that player welfare and how doctors remain independent in high pressure, win at all cost scenarios, is a murky area for the AFL.

That is mind blowing that they even contemplated putting him back on the field. Regardless if they knew - or didn’t know - the extent of the damage, he was clearly in severe pain and distress. No doubt he would have said he’s right to go, but the club medicos should have over ruled. Gobsmacking.

 

[Taylor]

Well I don't think Petracca will be getting on a plane for at least a month now anyway.

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

Far out poor Trac! Isn’t that similar to what happened to Sandi?

AFL players are tough bastards but agree that seems like horrible mismanagement from the Dees doctors.

 

[james haish]

That 2021 premiership looks more anomalous every week. Undoubtedly deserved based on the talent they fielded that year but the professionalism of the Demons is no better than it was over a decade ago.

 

[Sumwun]

That would have been awesome
I was in the Gili Islands that day on a months surfing trip through Indo , my mum and brother went .
I still kinda regret not going

Can we blame the surface conditions for Fyfes bad kicking ?

There were multiple reasons why we didn't play well in the GF and the ground conditions were a factor. I was there and the wind was strong and swirling around. It was raining overnight and the morning before the game. I think a quarter of the team had played either 0,1 or 2 games at the MCG in their life. I remember seing a replay (on the big screen?) of Tendai's foot slipping about 20cm when he kicked our first goal.

 

[Cam Payne]

Petracca is more proof of club doctors not having the power to stop players going back out on the ground. If a player says he's right he plays. Coaches aren't going to say no and the doctor has virtually no input.

 

[Taylor]

Don't look at it as the doctors failed Petracca. The players are warriors and will push through serious injury, this exact player literally had a broken leg a couple of years ago and played with it. The players will give the thumbs up and say they are okay to play if their thumb is still attached and their face can make the noise "I'm right to play".

Celebrate a man who should be commended for his bravery and self sacrifice for his team.

His doctors don't have x-ray vision.

Unlucky for Christian, when I had my lungs popped a couple of years ago it took a long time to get going again. The walk from the train to the seat at Optus was a mission. Poor guy hopefully doesn't have it that severe, and the internal bleeding will have him feeling stiff as a surfboard on a cash converters ad for a while.

But point is, AFL players are tough, tough humans and will look at their doctors and lie to not let their team mates down.

Can we get him to play for us?

 

[Paracleet]

Turn it up its a open shut case of why you don't play on with a rib injury with obvious potential to include a fracture. It's the doctors job to overrule the code when required.

 

[Taylor]

Turn it up its a open shut case of why you don't play on with a rib injury with obvious potential to include a fracture. It's the doctors job to overrule the code when required.

There are multiple guys in just our current squad playing with sore impact injuries in the chest, they can't tell whether they are broken by looking at them and the players hide their reactions when they get poked.

But you're spot on that there's big risks.

 

[Paracleet]

There are multiple guys in just our current squad playing with sore impact injuries in the chest, they can't tell whether they are broken by looking at them and the players hide their reactions when they get poked.

But you're spot on that there's big risks.

Yes that can happen, but not in this case where there was ample vision of him being kneed squarely in the ribs then extended vision of him in agony in the hands of the trainers. Did the Doc Arsène Wenger all that?

 

[Paracleet]

Christ even Doctor Bloody King diagnosed it.

 

[Taylor]

Yes that can happen, but not in this case where there was ample vision of him being kneed squarely in the ribs then extended vision of him in agony in the hands of the trainers. Did the Doc Arsène Wenger all that?

I don't think it's a reliable metric to use the player's reactions to measure severity, I don't trust them either way.

I do think it's valid for the club doctor to be able to signal to the reserve umpire on the bench that he/she requests a stoppage of play, that gets radioed to the field umpires and next stoppage they hold play for the doctor to make an assessment.

Works for all the injuries, but particularly the head injuries where they find it harder to lie to the doctor. That thumbs up from Rowan Marshall was a terrible indicator after his knee to the head.

 

[james haish]

I don't think it's a reliable metric to use the player's reactions to measure severity, I don't trust them either way.

I do think it's valid for the club doctor to be able to signal to the reserve umpire on the bench that he/she requests a stoppage of play, that gets radioed to the field umpires and next stoppage they hold play for the doctor to make an assessment.

Works for all the injuries, but particularly the head injuries where they find it harder to lie to the doctor. That thumbs up from Rowan Marshall was a terrible indicator after his knee to the head.

Doctors have this great method of detecting something is wrong internally without X-rays by pressing on the affected area and looking to see if you wince or scream in pain.

 

[Taylor]

Doctors have this great method of detecting something is wrong internally without X-rays by pressing on the affected area and looking to see if you wince or scream in pain.

This doesn't work with highly motivated people who already play through significant discomfort. Remember Michael Barlow standing up after breaking his leg? They either pretend it's not as bad because they've walked off knocks before or they pretend it doesn't hurt enough so they can get back out there.

The players lie, you can't trust their reactions or what they say. Players want to play.

 

[freo84]

 

[Alfonz]

Doesn't help when you have Billings sitting there as the replacement. Petracca would be thinking he could play at 10% capacity and still do a better job.

 

[GingerDocker]

Can't vouch for it's authenticity but did grab this off the Melbourne board...

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Can’t believe there’s even a discussion on whether he should have been on the field for a whole quarter.

I get that he’s brave to say I’m going back on, but after 1 minute you could see he couldn’t run, was hunched over most of the time, protected his side but the most obvious was how pale & ill he looked.

He should have been taken off within minutes for his own health & again it looks very poorly on Melbournes current cultural standards.

 

[Wilksyy]

Showing my age but it reminded me of the Drew Bledsoe injury back in 01 which was (according to google) "internal bleeding in his chest cavity along with a partial rib cage tear."

 

[DragoDelph]

Can’t believe there’s even a discussion on whether he should have been on the field for a whole quarter.

I get that he’s brave to say I’m going back on, but after 1 minute you could see he couldn’t run, was hunched over most of the time, protected his side but the most obvious was how pale & ill he looked.

He should have been taken off within minutes for his own health & again it looks very poorly on Melbournes current cultural standards.

One thing I can say about Freo this year, if there is any doubt, the player is taken off.