Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2021

[BotsMaster]

Other than Crouch, did the Saints add any more senior players during last years trade period?

Jack Higgins from Richmond.

 

[Gunf]

Other than Crouch, did the Saints add any more senior players during last years trade period?

They seem to add a lot of B+ talent but no real A grade or elite players.

Which is fine if you have the A grade or elite talent already but a complete waste if you don't which leaves you falling into the mid table or scraping into finals for years.

 

[cats_09]

Jack Higgins from Richmond.

Forgot about him, maybe it's because he did nothing against us last week

 

[cats_09]

They seem to add a lot of B+ talent but no real A grade or elite players.

Which is fine if you have the A grade or elite talent already but a complete waste if you don't which leaves you falling into the mid table or scraping into finals for years.

I think they thought Hill would be A-grade talent for them, but he really hasn't turned out to be that - Hill was good when he had good players around him and he could play to his strengths, but at the Saints he doesn't seem to have that same freedom to be able to just run & create, so he's been wasted, though he may not mind considering he's still getting paid

 

[fpm84]

years ago. If there's one good thing that's come from Richmond's time in the sun, it's that you don't have to be the top-performing team for the whole

Dogs’ weakness is KPDs. Lynch and Riewoldt exploited this a couple of weeks ago. WCE lost to them by a goal at Marvel with JK and Darling kicking 7 between them. We have the best tall forward combo in the league. This bodes well for us.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Dogs’ weakness is KPDs. Lynch and Riewoldt exploited this a couple of weeks ago. WCE lost to them by a goal at Marvel with JK and Darling kicking 7 between them. We have the best tall forward combo in the league. This bodes well for us.

Norton and Bruce are awesome at the moment though. The best duo in the game.
But they are confidence players and can't kick properly so they'll fall apart badly in bigger games and finals.

 

[terry_bright]

I think they thought Hill would be A-grade talent for them, but he really hasn't turned out to be that - Hill was good when he had good players around him and he could play to his strengths, but at the Saints he doesn't seem to have that same freedom to be able to just run & create, so he's been wasted, though he may not mind considering he's still getting paid

Of all the players the Saints recruited over the past 2 years which of those did the clubs really want to keep?
B.Hill, yep and he's been the biggest disappointment of the lot.
Z.Jones, yeah probably and he's probably been the pick of the lot.

Hannerbery. Swans wanted him and his contract out.
Ryder. Port would of delisted anyway.
Butler. Richmond happy to let him walk.
Crouch. Adelaide happy to let him walk.
Howard. Port happy to move him on.
Frawley. De-listed. To be honest a horrible signing.
McKernan. De-listed by Essendon.
Higgins. Richmond happy to move him on.

Everyone raved about their recruitment at the time but I never saw what the excitement was about.
Reminded me of Brisbane the year they recruited Fevola and a few others. A disaster that set the club back years.
This has the potential (and I think it will) to do the same at the Saints.

 

[Baudolino]

Dogs’ weakness is KPDs. Lynch and Riewoldt exploited this a couple of weeks ago. WCE lost to them by a goal at Marvel with JK and Darling kicking 7 between them. We have the best tall forward combo in the league. This bodes well for us.

I'm also not convinced their forward line is particularly elite from a personnel perspective. They're scoring more than anyone else at the moment so I realise it seems ridiculous to focus on their forward line as a point of criticism, but most of that scoring has come from how well the brilliance of their midfield and how well their system is working imho. If their system is found out or they have some injuries through the middle then will Bruce and Naughton still look as good? Not sure.

 

[Gunf]

Wondering if we are starting to see Sydney run out of that energy that bottom sides tend to do at some point in the season.

I think it is a real possibility that Freo or Giants end up pushing them out of the 8.

 

[Chinacats]

Other than Crouch, did the Saints add any more senior players during last years trade period?

Mason wood, Frawley, Higgins, mckernan.
They haven’t done well with their trade ins.
Oldest list in the comp along with us yet they’re nowhere near it.

 

[cats_09]

I'm also not convinced their forward line is particularly elite from a personnel perspective. They're scoring more than anyone else at the moment so I realise it seems ridiculous to focus on their forward line as a point of criticism, but most of that scoring has come from how well the brilliance of their midfield and how well their system is working imho. If their system is found out or they have some injuries through the middle then will Bruce and Naughton still look as good? Not sure.

At the moment they've also had the luxury of using Bont up forward, if they get into a situation where they have to use him more through the middle with not as much time in the forward line, will that upset the balance of things

 

[Chinacats]

Wondering if we are starting to see Sydney run out of that energy that bottom sides tend to do at some point in the season.

I think it is a real possibility that Freo or Giants end up pushing them out of the 8.

Longmire going back to his stock standard. Flood the backline, concede inside 50’s and sling shot out. A fight for 8th.

 

[cats_09]

Mason wood, Frawley, Higgins, mckernan.
They haven’t done well with their trade ins.
Oldest list in the comp along with us yet they’re nowhere near it.

I forgot about a few of those guys

It's like they thought after the "success" last year that they were really close and just needed to find those last couple of pieces of the puzzle, but instead of complementing what they already had it's kinda done the opposite and they look further away this year than they did last year

 

[The Casey Cat]

They seem to add a lot of B+ talent but no real A grade or elite players.

Which is fine if you have the A grade or elite talent already but a complete waste if you don't which leaves you falling into the mid table or scraping into finals for years.

Like I said on the main board I think they're overrating them if even regarded as B+. By this point in their careers' they are Cs and Ds and someone like Frawley an E or F. If they were getting B+ out of their recruits they'd be a lot better than they are this year.

 

[Gunf]

I forgot about a few of those guys

It's like they thought after the "success" last year that they were really close and just needed to find those last couple of pieces of the puzzle, but instead of complementing what they already had it's kinda done the opposite and they look further away this year than they did last year

It is a repeat of what Melb did a few years ago did well but wasn't good enough which lead to them getting ahead of themselves and plummeting down the ladder difference is Melb have a good list

 

[Gunf]

Like I said on the main board I think they're overrating them if even regarded as B+. By this point in their careers' they are Cs and Ds and someone like Frawley an E or F. If they were getting B+ out of their recruits they'd be a lot better than they are this year.

Jones,Ryder,Crouch.Hill are B+ but agreed they did recruit a lot of C grade or lower talent

 

[The Casey Cat]

I forgot about a few of those guys

It's like they thought after the "success" last year that they were really close and just needed to find those last couple of pieces of the puzzle, but instead of complementing what they already had it's kinda done the opposite and they look further away this year than they did last year

Laughable really. Did things maybe you could get away with if you're in our position. And even then you need to be more specific with what a player is going to improve for you and they need to be good enough that it's worth it. They got a whole bunch and #### knows what they were supposed to address needs wise and more importantly it was obvious they weren't very good anymore (or ever).

 

[Chinacats]

I forgot about a few of those guys

It's like they thought after the "success" last year that they were really close and just needed to find those last couple of pieces of the puzzle, but instead of complementing what they already had it's kinda done the opposite and they look further away this year than they did last year

Montagna said maybe they have connectivity issues . Even off the field they mightn’t know who they are.
I think with us Selwood’s leadership is worth it’s weight in gold on & off the field.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Montagna said maybe they have connectivity issues . Even off the field they mightn’t know who they are.
I think with us Selwood’s leadership is worth it’s weight in gold on & off the field.

I posted on here last night I saw their captain get an easy shot at goal which was much needed and he didn't want to take it.
I just shook my head.

 

[Spearman]

Well look at our 'Misfits'. We've got not just Selwood, but old champs still at the club. Also how many were still playing just last year. A whole lotta good culture. I think you can see it with how well Smith, Cameron, Dahlhaus, Touhy, Henderson etal slotted in regardless of the culture they came from.

 

[cats_09]

Montagna said maybe they have connectivity issues . Even off the field they mightn’t know who they are.
I think with us Selwood’s leadership is worth it’s weight in gold on & off the field.

It's telling that our senior guys were in the stands on Thursday night watching the VFL team play - it's not necessarily a case that all 40 players will be best mates off the field, but they clearly have a connection & unity when it comes to the GFC

I laughed when the cameras have crossed to our guys in the stands and they want to focus on one moment in time such as Dangerfield looking at his phone - we don't know what he's looking at, sure he may be playing Candy Crush or maybe it's a message from home or he's putting something on social media supporting the team

But we often see the players and/or coaches at the VFL, and even seen some of them at the women's games - so clearly a good connection between those at the club

 

[Hamingja]

Like I said on the main board I think they're overrating them if even regarded as B+. By this point in their careers' they are Cs and Ds and someone like Frawley an E or F. If they were getting B+ out of their recruits they'd be a lot better than they are this year.

Players like Frawley and McKernan are pretty irrelevant to me really, just list fillers, similar to Jenkins for us.

They've stuffed up offering big money to Hanneberry, Carlisle, Hill, Crouch, Jones, Howard etc. All B graders at best being paid A grader money and they would be taking up $3 million in the salary cap on top of whatever they have traded for them. That's why I was so against getting Crouch ourselves. He is not that much better than a Menegola for example and costs twice as much basically.

It was only ever going to work out for them if King, Marshall, Billings, Gresham, Clark, Coffield etc all became the A graders. You'd be pretty sick as a Saints supporter knowing they could have drafted Petracca, Bontempelli and Naughton.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Players like Frawley and McKernan are pretty irrelevant to me really, just list fillers, similar to Jenkins for us.

They've stuffed up offering big money to Hanneberry, Carlisle, Hill, Crouch, Jones, Howard etc. All B graders at best being paid A grader money and they would be taking up $3 million in the salary cap on top of whatever they have traded for them. That's why I was so against getting Crouch ourselves. He is not that much better than a Menegola for example and costs twice as much basically.

It was only ever going to work out for them if King, Marshall, Billings, Gresham, Clark, Coffield etc all became the A graders. You'd be pretty sick as a Saints supporter knowing they could have drafted Petracca, Bontempelli and Naughton.

To be fair Howard is a quality player who is young enough to have a high ceiling and quality talls are hard to get. Him and Ryder for pick 18 was fine.

The rest of their trades were awful though hill for a top 10 pick and a r2 and acres is deplorable and hannebery for a r2 and 800kpa when he was clearly cooked are just awful trades.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Dogs’ weakness is KPDs. Lynch and Riewoldt exploited this a couple of weeks ago. WCE lost to them by a goal at Marvel with JK and Darling kicking 7 between them. We have the best tall forward combo in the league. This bodes well for us.

What about Melbourne? They have Level and May so wont be exposed in the same manner I wouldn't have thought. I guess their midfield doesn't run as deep but. If we are to take them down we'd need to cover them across the entire ground rather than try to focus on a specific weakness?

 

[xtatik222k]

Anyone else feel like Pies v Power might be a cracker? Collingwood usually pull one or two good games out of a hat even when they're terrible. Hopefully we get a decent game today. Maybe GWS v WC might be worth watching.