Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2022, part II

[rocker_oz33]

If they get Hird back, that is completely insane, but that is how we know that Essendon goes.

Sheedy still there .
So Hird a big chance .

 

[catsfootyfan89]

They just cannot bring Hird in. That might be the final nail.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Ess the only club to lose to bowls club .

 

[Strange Cat]

Sheedy still there .
So Hird a big chance .

A few puff pieces about hird being able to reunite the factions at ess

 

[Strange Cat]

They just cannot bring Hird in. That might be the final nail.

Do it for the lols

**** Ess

 

[rocker_oz33]

A few puff pieces about hird being able to reunite the factions at ess

They want an experience coach..

 

[Spearman]

They just cannot bring Hird in. That might be the final nail.

and to any integrity the AFL pretends to have

 

[BotsMaster]

Sheedy still there .
So Hird a big chance .

Sheedy didn't bring the club to its knees though.

 

[DangerHere]

“Essendon”

Has anyone seen the Movie “Downfall” ?

I think it’s about the Bombers?

I think they need “Steiner”.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Sheedy didn't bring the club to its knees though.

He took the wind socks away tho.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Sheedy loves Hird hes the golden boy.

 

[Spearman]

I might have missed it over the years, but has Hird ever acknowledged responsibility, as the senior coach, for what happened? Or apologized for what happened to his players? I don't mean admitting something happened, but that HE should not have allowed it, at the very minimum.

And as coach again, he would be asking his players to follow him, play with accountability and with trust. If the EFC are seriously looking at this, they are as delusional as Trump supporters.

Any BS about Hird having already served his penance is disgusting. I've said before, without contrition there is no forgiveness. Hird back is bad for the sport.

 

[winty]

Someone call the Wahmbulance.

 

[Hamingja]

If it was true surely you would have leaked that to a journalist Saturday morning. Sounds terrible coming from Zorko himself.

 

[Strange Cat]

It must all be a major distraction for the club and players leading up to an important final

Remarkable strong leadership being displayed

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

It must all be a major distraction for the club and players leading up to an important final

Remarkable strong leadership being displayed

It's always tough without knowing who said what first hand.. think it's better these things get handled privately not via the media.

 

[DangerHere]

Someone call the Wahmbulance.

I say just publish what he said to a young man that had nothing to do with the rubbish in that post, and see what the response is from the public.

 

[patience]

They started it... Not a leader's a******e.

 

[Strange Cat]

They started it... Not a leader's a******e.

I heard that all the time back in grade 3

 

[BotsMaster]

 

[Mad_Hatter]

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Is Scott Captain also an ex-basketball like Scott Pendlebury?

 

[JohnZ]

I feel bad for Jordan Murdoch

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. The AFL has released a new explainer video (What is AFL?), and his highlight has been removed.

What highlight? When he ran into goal and slammed the ball into the goalpost

 

[00VicWard001]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/disgusting-dayne-zorko-sledging-scandal-turned-on-its-head/news-story/de8967b8568a81049b8194cead014549

This makes alot of sense to me. Zorko might have form, but so do alot of players, and Melbourne have been very chippy over the past few years as they have become one of the premier teams.

Personally, I don't really get what the fuss is about. The whole point of it is to effect other players psychologically - and guess what - if you can, and theyre off their game and makes mistakes then it's worked.

There are plenty of ways we see intimidation or physical attacks on the field where opposition players are smashed and it makes them hesitant to go as hard at the next contest. Over the years, Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn and Richmond have done it.

We can say - hey, this doesnt happen in a normal workplace, but really - in a normal workplace, there is not direct face-to-face competition between opposing teams. Sport between two teams is a very different workplace to normal where competition is expected and applauded if you win. Psychological attacks are just part and parcel to the physical attack on the ball (and the man).

 

[goyoucatters]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/disgusting-dayne-zorko-sledging-scandal-turned-on-its-head/news-story/de8967b8568a81049b8194cead014549

This makes alot of sense to me. Zorko might have form, but so do alot of players, and Melbourne have been very chippy over the past few years as they have become one of the premier teams.

Personally, I don't really get what the fuss is about. The whole point of it is to effect other players psychologically - and guess what - if you can, and theyre off their game and makes mistakes then it's worked.

There are plenty of ways we see intimidation or physical attacks on the field where opposition players are smashed and it makes them hesitant to go as hard at the next contest. Over the years, Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn and Richmond have done it.

We can say - hey, this doesnt happen in a normal workplace, but really - in a normal workplace, there is not direct face-to-face competition between opposing teams. Sport between two teams is a very different workplace to normal where competition is expected and applauded if you win. Psychological attacks are just part and parcel to the physical attack on the ball (and the man).

That's all well and good. I'm not a fan of it at all and wish players would just let their football do the talking. Having said that, I entirely accept that it is going to continue to happen as a supposed 'test of character' for players in the heat of a contest. But, taking all that as a given, the only individual who's absolutely failing the psychological test at the moment is the captain of the Lions.

Wouldn't own up on the night to what he had done.
Then belatedly offers an apology, which is thus an acknowledgement that he lied about the matter in the first place.
And now goes to the lamentably pathetic 'they started it', when challenged to explain his behaviour.
As well as hiding behind the 'let the players decide' mantra when it comes to deciding on his future in captaincy.

He is clearly more than a little obsessed with his own importance and totally out of touch with what real leadership would demand in a situation like this. Seems like it is way more about him than any leader should ever seek to be.

So it will be fascinating to see how the Lions playing group handles this from here. Clearly the AFL (and the Lions as a club) are really happy to just move along and forget about the whole thing. Whereas the players might be interested in setting some minimum standards for how leaders should conduct themselves in the wider interests of the group.

If they move on from him as captain, I think that's a good sign for the future of their culture. If the boys instead get behind him and effectively settle for this kind of leadership as their model, I can't see it ending well.

Leaders are rightly held to more searching account. I think Zorko's failures in the moment and in the aftermath are more than enough to suggest he might be better off just focusing on his footy rather than seeking to be a role model for a team ethic and for strong integrity. Because very little he has done over the past week suggests that he holds either of those values as compelling drivers of his own behaviour.

 

[cats_09]