Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2022, part II

[Stokey]

Clarko's silence is becoming concerning.

 

[Sky]

Nonsense. both have 0 flags and Fagan's lions have 2-3 losses in finals by less than a kick. Things could easily be different.

You know my thoughts on CS - a failure between 2015 and 2019. Scott has been a success again since 2020 because he makes grand finals.

Are you actually surprised that I think even less of Fagan as a coach?

 

[cats_09]

You know my thoughts on CS - a failure between 2015 and 2019. Scott has been a success again since 2020 because he makes grand finals.

Are you actually surprised that I think even less of Fagan as a coach?

There's more to success than simply making grand finals - just because a team doesn't make the grand final or win the premiership, it doesn't mean that their season was a failure

 

[Cataholic]

Clarko's silence is becoming concerning.

One would've thought he'd be on the front foot strenuously denying the allegations.

He knew they were coming, so he can't claim to have been 'blindsided' like Fagan did.

A white lie by him already.

 

[The_Todd07]

Nonsense. both have 0 flags and Fagan's lions have 2-3 losses in finals by less than a kick. Things could easily be different.

Lyon was 13 (7 when the siren sounded), 1 & 16 points away from winning flags. If things could have been different for Fagan, it also wouldn't have taken much for Lyon to be a multiple premiership winning coach

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Fagan has stood down to "assist investigations".
Starting to sound like it all starts and revolves around Clarkson.

 

[Cataholic]

Fagan has stood down to "assist investigations".
Starting to sound like it all starts and revolves around Clarkson.

Clarkson appears to be the central figure in the allegations.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Lyon was 13 (7 when the siren sounded), 1 & 16 points away from winning flags. If things could have been different for Fagan, it also wouldn't have taken much for Lyon to be a multiple premiership winning coach

and yet there's nothing between them. Both flagless coaches who have had near misses in finals.

 

[Gunf]

There's more to success than simply making grand finals - just because a team doesn't make the grand final or win the premiership, it doesn't mean that their season was a failure

Great example is Freo and Coll who would both consider this season a major success

 

[rocker_oz33]

What's happening at hawthorn. ..ohh my .

 

[00VicWard001]

It is like something from 100 years ago, how it could happen in a modern football club is staggering.

I didn't really follow the fallout from the Kennett/Rioli stuff beyond the headlines. Kennett's comments about her jeans or whatever were poor but this gives a whole new level of context to it.

You'd bet anything there would be AFL accredited journos who knew a lot more about this stuff at the time, but like the doping saga, it has to be someone with their nose not in the trough to break it.

Thats what I thought. I assumed there was a context/familiarity/obnoxiousness/understanding issue between both parties. But now, I can see it was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Fagan has stood down to "assist investigations".
Starting to sound like it all starts and revolves around Clarkson.

This is big .

On a side note .

Some players staying and wanna go there because of him.

 

[00VicWard001]

One would've thought he'd be on the front foot strenuously denying the allegations.

He knew they were coming, so he can't claim to have been 'blindsided' like Fagan did.

A white lie by him already.

Curious to see if they have been sitting on plan a) b) and c) and just waiting to see if it was released.

I'm sure they've all already had legal advice.

Maybe Clarkson is taking the hit and is just finalising his exit OR maybe its every man for themselves.

 

[catsfootyfan89]

Bloody hell isn't it nice supporting a club that's never at the centre of scandals involving racism, criminals, bikies, supplements etc?

 

[00VicWard001]

Fagan has stood down to "assist investigations".
Starting to sound like it all starts and revolves around Clarkson.

So, I'm quite shocked about this all. I couldn't imagine that Fagan would do this, but then again, I only know him from his press conferences.

 

[Drunkcat]

At the moment people are just making things up let's wait until we know more

 

[Warhorse]

Very poor governance from the Hawthorn board of directors - they need to go as well. This happened on their watch. Everyone knew what Clarkson was like and did nothing.

 

[Cataholic]

Curious to see if they have been sitting on plan a) b) and c) and just waiting to see if it was released.

I'm sure they've all already had legal advice.

Maybe Clarkson is taking the hit and is just finalising his exit OR maybe its every man for themselves.

His press conference, whenever it happens, is going to interesting to say the least.

How long can he hold out?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Bloody hell isn't it nice supporting a club that's never at the centre of scandals involving racism, criminals, bikies, supplements etc?

That we know of. Very hard to go the crow on this.
We could find out years from now that we were committing atrocious acts of similar or even completely different nature to stay competitive.

I can't even enjoy the build up to a Grand Final today after this. So much bigger than a game of footy.

 

[rocker_oz33]

When North win something .
They still might lose.



Wasn't Jed Anderson

17

Jed Anderson

Age

30

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

the only one delisted.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Just imagine for a moment this report came out about Geelong and how you would feel knowing that men you have admired, respected, and even loved have done such terrible things. That's why I think we should all have some empathy for Hawks fans today. This is bigger than our tribal dislike of each other.

 

[00VicWard001]

That we know of. Very hard to go the crow on this.
We could find out years from now that we were committing atrocious acts of similar or even completely different nature to stay competitive.

I can't even enjoy the build up to a Grand Final today after this. So much bigger than a game of footy.

Thank you for saying this. we have no idea what things have been said by coaches or members of our club - and what has been accepted at the time by one player and they have lived with it comfortably, and what has been accepted at the time by another player and they have forever been torn up by it.

I feel like there is always context. I don't think that Clarkson or Fagan are these evil controlling men who have masterminded something this terrible.

For example, if I brought up something personal like "hey I'm thinking about doing XYZ..." And then an employer oversteps and offers advice like "Yes, you definitely should do XYZ, it will be better for your career." In the moment, I may agree (especially if I was a young man in a sporting club and my coach is the one offering this advice).

Well later, when what was said was repeated - it could look really bad, even though at the time, all parties were just discussing things and potentially in agreement. Or maybe advice was sought and those guys just gave it in the frankest blokey way they could, with their own (limited) worldview of what was important.

In hindsight, an employer should say "Look mate, it's not my place to say what you can do. There are options, and that's one of them, but maybe have a chat to your parents - or maybe we can faciliate a discussion" and so on.

 

[Hinkley29]

Bloody hell isn't it nice supporting a club that's never at the centre of scandals involving racism, criminals, bikies, supplements etc?

Unfortunately we can’t just assume that to be true. This time yesterday hawthorn fans would have been forgiven for thinking exactly the same thing about their club.

I just assume that all clubs have their skeletons (including our great club).

history has shown that all clubs have their issues, it is sad I know but that is the world we live in.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Just imagine for a moment this report came out about Geelong and how you would feel knowing that men you have admired, respected, and even loved have done such terrible things. That's why I think we should all have some empathy for Hawks fans today. This is bigger than our tribal dislike of each other.

100%, and something I've enjoyed NOT seeing is people either here or elsewhere, using this as fuel to give shit to Hawks fans.
This goes above team vs team rivalry

 

[Hinkley29]

100%, and something I've enjoyed NOT seeing is people either here or elsewhere, using this as fuel to give s**t to Hawks fans.
This goes above team vs team rivalry

I also think that footy fans have come to realise that the next big scandal is just around the corner and that their club (whoever that club is) is just as likely as any other to be the next one in the gun.